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    #182
    padraig.od
    Registered Users Posts: 774 ✭✭✭padraig.od


    mozattack wrote: »
    Still a good saving by the employer to be honest, they probably went in for 20% happy to "accept 7.5%"

    7.5% is a headline figure. They've also removed the two holdays bonuses staff used to revieve, which IIRC was a weeks wages. There will be no time-and-a-half for working overtime, and they have changed the sick pay scheme. I think for most workers it works out about 12 - 14% gross pay loss.

    Crucially, they have (on top of above) cut new starters basic pay by 10%.


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    #183
    mike65
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    Meanwhile Dundalk has another 400 jobs with Paypal.


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    #184
    dzilla
    Registered Users Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭dzilla


    mike65 wrote: »
    Meanwhile Dundalk has another 400 jobs with Paypal.

    To be honest that is great for Dundalk and great to see employment generation on the island... it'll come back around here. We just need the appropriate political representation to help us and not begrudge other citys and town they're employment


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    #185
    Wanderer2010
    Registered Users Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    mike65 wrote: »
    Meanwhile Dundalk has another 400 jobs with Paypal.

    We have a bad rep here in Waterford, it is not going to go away overnight..


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    #186
    reni10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭reni10


    At one stage a couple of years ago there was a rumor that PayPal were in Waterford looking to set up here but went to Dundalk instead and now creating more jobs there so was a big loss for Waterford if that rumor was true!


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    #187
    dzilla
    Registered Users Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭dzilla


    reni10 wrote: »
    At one stage a couple of years ago there was a rumor that PayPal were in Waterford looking to set up here but went to Dundalk instead and now creating more jobs there so was a big loss for Waterford if that rumor was true!

    Yup we didbt have a facility big enough and modern enough for them at the time iirc


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    #188
    Digital Society
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Digital Society


    reni10 wrote: »
    At one stage a couple of years ago there was a rumor that PayPal were in Waterford looking to set up here but went to Dundalk instead and now creating more jobs there so was a big loss for Waterford if that rumor was true!

    Colleges near Paypal work with PayPal to train people specifically for the roles. They changed around courses to suit PayPals needs. That helped a hell of a lot to attract them down there.

    Ideally WIT and other colleges should partner up somehow with companies like that.

    Everytime something goes somewhere else people say that they couldnt find a suitable building in Waterford. Theres a lot more to it than that id say.


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    #189
    BBM77
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    reni10 wrote: »
    At one stage a couple of years ago there was a rumor that PayPal were in Waterford looking to set up here but went to Dundalk instead and now creating more jobs there so was a big loss for Waterford if that rumor was true!
    :)


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    #190
    robtri
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    Digital Society wrote: »

    Everytime something goes somewhere else people say that they couldnt find a suitable building in Waterford. Theres a lot more to it than that id say.

    there is more to it, but not having a premises to offer a company looking to set up is a huge drawback....


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    #191
    BBM77
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    Digital Society wrote: »
    Colleges near Paypal work with PayPal to train people specifically for the roles. They changed around courses to suit PayPals needs. That helped a hell of a lot to attract them down there.

    Ideally WIT and other colleges should partner up somehow with companies like that.

    Everytime something goes somewhere else people say that they couldnt find a suitable building in Waterford. Theres a lot more to it than that id say.

    Which came first to Dundalk PayPal or the Building?

    How can Dundalk attract the likes of PayPal with an IT and no plans to upgrade to a university whereas Waterford is told that one of the reasons we don’t get companies like PayPal is that we need university status for WIT?


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    #192
    sparkling sea
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    I hate to say this because I know the Waterford Crystal pension issue should have been sorted by now, but a march is being organised to promote the non payment of pensions, it reinforces the militant image of Waterford - not a deserved image but a perception among MNCs all the same.it

    Further it relates to DBP which will be almost non existant for any other workers now. The pension levy will have to be extended to pay for this and who pays the pension levy, workers who wont have the benefit of defined benefit pensions!!!


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    #193
    fricatus
    Registered Users Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭fricatus


    mike65 wrote: »
    Meanwhile Dundalk has another 400 jobs with Paypal.
    Wanderer2010 wrote: »
    We have a bad rep here in Waterford, it is not going to go away overnight..

    I don't recall Dundalk ever having that great an image either! "El Paso"? Dominic McGlinchey?

    Maybe we should mount a campaign of secession here, then we can keep the American president up all night while we negotiate about flags, parades, prisoners, etc. Then, when it's all over, the jobs will just flow in! Meanwhile, there'll be plenty of work building army bases, and the glazers will have a field day. It would do wonders for the local economy! :pac:


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    #194
    Digital Society
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    robtri wrote: »
    there is more to it, but not having a premises to offer a company looking to set up is a huge drawback....

    Theres at least 3 buildings that would easily suit. TalkTalk would do perfectly fine. Remember that most of the PayPal jobs are call centre jobs which are the same as TalkTalk. A few Ex TalkTalk Employees work there now.

    However a really modern over the top glass building newly built, with a nice Tax deal would go a long way to attract people alright.
    BBM77 wrote: »
    Which came first to Dundalk PayPal or the Building?

    How can Dundalk attract the likes of PayPal with an IT and no plans to upgrade to a university whereas Waterford is told that one of the reasons we don’t get companies like PayPal is that we need university status for WIT?

    Do you mean the building PayPal are in? Im sure it was there already but could stand corrected.

    PayPal jobs arent exactly the highest paying jobs in the technology industry. Its just another TalkTalk type operation. Of the 400 just hired they are mostly call centre workers. Probably on about 20k each. No way in hell do they need a University Education to work there. Even a good 6 month course in an IT would be over the top for the majority of them jobs.

    If DundalkIT has a short course with nothing but relevant material which pumps out 50 people a year that would be more than enough.

    MY opinion is that Waterford doesnt 100% need a University to attract these types of businesses. It would definitely help the economy a hell of a lot down in the South East and would be great for kids who are young now BUT its not essential.

    What Waterford needs more now is a Technology Park. An industrial estate built with Technology companies in mind. About 20 really high tech buildings. Serviced by the fastest broadband and the cleanest ESB supply. Really nice buildings. If we could attract a company thats up and coming to build a server farm and head offices it would put Waterford on the Map and hopefully then someone like Microsoft would do the same. These companies follow each other. Galway is your proof.

    Just get one Big Technology in there and the rest will follow. Tax break the hell out of them and get them in.

    Edit - And while where at it build a Fashion Park. About 20 smallish shops aimed at clothes shops and the likes. That would attract a lot of people. Not the same as the Six cross roads but lots of smaller shops. Something like this. http://www.fashioncity.ie/


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    #195
    Hijpo
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    Whats wrong with the massive office space at the rear entrance to the estate? the one with the massive "To Let" sign on it, past John Kellys garage. Also whats being built at the back of the technology building on the cork road?


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    #196
    wellboytoo
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    Hijpo wrote: »
    Whats wrong with the massive office space at the rear entrance to the estate? the one with the massive "To Let" sign on it, past John Kellys garage. Also whats being built at the back of the technology building on the cork road?

    It is a Celtic tiger build very poor sound insulation no air con, very Hard let


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    #197
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    wellboytoo wrote: »
    It is a Celtic tiger build very poor sound insulation no air con, very Hard let

    Jesus christ, what a waste :mad:


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    #198
    Digital Society
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Digital Society


    No Air con. Clearly built by someone who never worked in a modern building with 100s of PCs running. Disgusting waste. Their probably paying a fortune just to have that building lying up so hopefully they will learn a lesson whoever it is.

    Not sure what your talking about with the new build but theres some kind of technology park going into the old Waterford Crystal plant. Id say thats the best chance of creating jobs that Waterford has and its rarely mentioned.

    Attract a major expanding company similar to Paypal, Dropbox etc.. and get them to partner up with the WIT to create/change courses that benefit them. Along with tax breaks and deals and we have a good chance of being the next Galway.

    Advertise ourselves to Americans as the shortest step into Europe from the States and sweeten the deal with Tax Breaks and fancy Buildings. No reason why we cant attract companies.


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    #199
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Digital Society wrote: »
    Not sure what your talking about with the new build but theres some kind of technology park going into the old Waterford Crystal plant. Id say thats the best chance of creating jobs that Waterford has and its rarely mentioned.

    You can see cranes and a steel frame being erected from the road behind the technology building across from the whitfield clinic.


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    #200
    reni10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭reni10


    Hijpo wrote: »
    You can see cranes and a steel frame being erected from the road behind the technology building across from the whitfield clinic.

    This is to be the new custom built technology office building funded by the IDA I believe and was due for completion in November:
    http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2014/0424/610659-new-ida-buildings-for-athlone-and-waterford/


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    #201
    Digital Society
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Digital Society


    Hijpo wrote: »
    You can see cranes and a steel frame being erected from the road behind the technology building across from the whitfield clinic.

    Ah ok never noticed. Havent been down there in months. That can only be a good sign anyway.

    Is that to do with the WIT expansion? something about 600 new jobs in a couple of years? Carriganore TSSG or something like that?

    Sounds like it anyway.


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    #202
    Digital Society
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Digital Society


    reni10 wrote: »
    This is to be the new custom built technology office building funded by the IDA I believe and was due for completion in November:
    http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2014/0424/610659-new-ida-buildings-for-athlone-and-waterford/

    Ah right so it sounds like something else altogether. Credit where its due. Looks like the IDA are trying and hopefully the get a good company in there.


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    #203
    sillysocks
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    The building beside that one they're building at whitfield is empty too. Think that could take about 250-300 office workers.


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    #204
    padraig.od
    Registered Users Posts: 774 ✭✭✭padraig.od


    sillysocks wrote: »
    The building beside that one they're building at whitfield is empty too. Think that could take about 250-300 office workers.

    Its a shame these places are being built so far out of the city. Just 250 - 300 additional office workers would do a lot for the city centre.


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    #205
    saintchrisburg
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    padraig.od wrote: »
    Its a shame these places are being built so far out of the city. Just 250 - 300 additional office workers would do a lot for the city centre.

    Agree completely. If you had more office workers in the centre, they'd be out having coffees in the morning, meals in the midday, quick drinks at the pub/bar after work, popping out for small shopping and running errands whenever. It'd be a steadier flow of customer traffic than relying on people driving in and parking or on the local residents. That's what I'd guess anyway.


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    #206
    reni10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭reni10


    Just listening to the Sunday business show on TODAY FM and they mentioned that there is a tech company with its European hq in Dublin that cannot fill 30 plus highly paid tech jobs and therefore are pulling out of Ireland!

    Granted that the company in question offers a dating service for married people so morally not the best thing to offer to people but then again neither is alcohol or tobacco!

    My point here is why are the IDA not saying to this company come to Waterford and set up here instead and you will fill those jobs and giving them some incentive to do so?

    This seems an absolute waste to attract this company and then have them leave because there is too much competition in Dublin for tech talent....


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    #207
    looksee
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    Just out of interest, what is being built at the back of Ballybeg? Big fenced off area and a thing that looks like a bit of a stadium? I got slightly lost round there yesterday so saw a whole lot of places I didn't know existed!


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    #208
    mooseknunkle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭mooseknunkle


    looksee wrote: »
    Just out of interest, what is being built at the back of Ballybeg? Big fenced off area and a thing that looks like a bit of a stadium? I got slightly lost round there yesterday so saw a whole lot of places I didn't know existed!

    Thats the new fire station


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    #209
    JPA
    Registered Users Posts: 13,771 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    reni10 wrote: »
    Just listening to the Sunday business show on TODAY FM and they mentioned that there is a tech company with its European hq in Dublin that cannot fill 30 plus highly paid tech jobs and therefore are pulling out of Ireland!

    Granted that the company in question offers a dating service for married people so morally not the best thing to offer to people but then again neither is alcohol or tobacco!

    My point here is why are the IDA not saying to this company come to Waterford and set up here instead and you will fill those jobs and giving them some incentive to do so?

    This seems an absolute waste to attract this company and then have them leave because there is too much competition in Dublin for tech talent....


    Anyone with the skills required for such jobs in Waterford is employed or long gone.


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    #210
    reni10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭reni10


    So would it not be nice for those people who were forced to go to have an option to return?

    And what about the hundreds of tech graduates coming out of the wit?

    You need the jobs here for people to stay!


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    #211
    Digital Society
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Digital Society


    reni10 wrote: »

    My point here is why are the IDA not saying to this company come to Waterford and set up here instead and you will fill those jobs and giving them some incentive to do so?

    Reality is the jobs are being pulled back to the States. Blaming lack of skills even though we have some of the most educated IT workers in the world is just nonsense. They where here for a tax break and it ran out. Instead of admitting its all about the $$$ they will blame the local government and workforce and not ruin their image.


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