Random Running Questions

adrian522

Completely agree, go see a doctor and explain your symptoms and get yourself properly checked out.

Annie get your Run

FierceMild wrote: »

Hey guys, with some great second opinions that I received here I managed to set the target of, and achieve, a sub 3:30 marathon time trial today. So big thanks to TFBubendorfer, Adrian522 and Slow Runner for their input.

I've just a quick question: When I was digging hard in the last 6km of the race I found that I had some kind of heart palpitations when I was pushing the pace. My heart rate was very much nearing my highest recorded max at these times but I've reached that level in 5ks or when I've been accidentally dehydrated/running in severe heat but in this instance the sensation was totally novel in that it was quite uncomfortable and prompted me to slow the pace a fraction as it literally felt that my heart was straining.

I'm just wondering if this is normal when you're pushing in the latter stages of a marathon? Like, is it normal to have a literal chest/heart discomfort when you're digging really hard in the latter stages of a marathon?

Again, thanks!

Definitely go and see your doctor, I have experience of this and it required blood tests and ongoing monitoring - all okay now but you can't take any chances where heart palpitations are involved.

TFBubendorfer

FierceMild wrote: »

Hey guys, with some great second opinions that I received here I managed to set the target of, and achieve, a sub 3:30 marathon time trial today. So big thanks to TFBubendorfer, Adrian522 and Slow Runner for their input.

I've just a quick question: When I was digging hard in the last 6km of the race I found that I had some kind of heart palpitations when I was pushing the pace. My heart rate was very much nearing my highest recorded max at these times but I've reached that level in 5ks or when I've been accidentally dehydrated/running in severe heat but in this instance the sensation was totally novel in that it was quite uncomfortable and prompted me to slow the pace a fraction as it literally felt that my heart was straining.

I'm just wondering if this is normal when you're pushing in the latter stages of a marathon? Like, is it normal to have a literal chest/heart discomfort when you're digging really hard in the latter stages of a marathon?

Again, thanks!

I've experienced tachycardia on a few occasions, including about twice in races, and the first time it really scared the hell out of me but it turned out to be completely harmless (and I'm still alive 10 years later). It sounds quite similar to what you're describing, so hopefully it's nothing serious in your case either but I would agree with all the others - go to a cardiologist and have it checked out. The heart isn't something you want to have to worry about.

FierceMild

Thanks again for the advice all, scheduled an appointment with the GP this morning.

Foweva Awone

I'm halfway through Couch to 10k and have been doing it regularly 3 times every week. I've struggled at times, but I've never been not able to finish a session.

Today I went out for W7D3, the third 25 minute run in a row. I gave in and went home just a few minutes in!! I was short of breath and my calves were aching.

Only thing I can think of is that I donated blood two days ago, could that affect my training? And for how long?

Thanks!

Slow_Runner

Foweva Awone wrote: »

I'm halfway through Couch to 10k and have been doing it regularly 3 times every week. I've struggled at times, but I've never been not able to finish a session.

Today I went out for W7D3, the third 25 minute run in a row. I gave in and went home just a few minutes in!! I was short of breath and my calves were aching.

Only thing I can think of is that I donated blood two days ago, could that affect my training? And for how long?

Thanks!

Donating blood will have an effect on ur energy levels, your body could also just be tired, an extra day or 2 rest should see you right. Generic training plans have their place but you can't follow them blindly, listen to your body - if you're tired rest and don't worry about missing a session and don't try to make it back up by doing extra the following week.

MY BAD

I've tried to do a session a few days after donating blood where I hadn't* the same energy so I just cancelled them. I would normally just reduce the mileage and run easy for the next week. I remember once I tried to race a week after donating that turned out disastrous.

Reg'stoy

Folks, probably a bit of a silly question. Was told by local chiropodist to start wearing orthotics for all activities including running, I had seen him to fix a lost toenail due marathon training. So my question is, do I revert to a neutral runner rather then the stability runners I currently get (following gait analysis).

Have been wearing orthotics for years in work boots (ex military) and now wellington boots for dog walking, following advice from a physio, we had never really talked about them in runners.

Picked up these pair during the recent amazon prime day sale. What are peoples experience of wearing them, did you walk in the runners for a week or two first before running with them. Do you use same pair in all shoes, do you take them with you when buying new runners/shoes?

My problem has been the right big toe rubbing on the runner and the toe beside lost the toenail. He reckoned that lack of arch support on that foot was the cause. All my runners lately had a hole in them due the right big toe.

I don't think this is medical advise, but if it is apologies to the mods.

Ceepo

Reg'stoy wrote: »

Folks, probably a bit of a silly question. Was told by local chiropodist to start wearing orthotics for all activities including running, I had seen him to fix a lost toenail due marathon training. So my question is, do I revert to a neutral runner rather then the stability runners I currently get (following gait analysis).

Have been wearing orthotics for years in work boots (ex military) and now wellington boots for dog walking, following advice from a physio, we had never really talked about them in runners.

Picked up these pair during the recent amazon prime day sale. What are peoples experience of wearing them, did you walk in the runners for a week or two first before running with them. Do you use same pair in all shoes, do you take them with you when buying new runners/shoes?

My problem has been the right big toe rubbing on the runner and the toe beside lost the toenail. He reckoned that lack of arch support on that foot was the cause. All my runners lately had a hole in them due the right big toe.

I don't think this is medical advise, but if it is apologies to the mods.

Lots of questions here.
So you have been wearing orthotics for years but not in runners?
Why did you get fitted for orthotics in the 1st place ? If you were prescribed costume orthotics why did you buy over the counter ones?
What assessment did the chiropodist carry out to suggest wearing orthotics the whole time.?

You should keep in mind the orthotics do not fix anything. They may alleviate symptoms in an area but is usually going to cause a compensation somewhere else in the kinetic chain.

But to answer the questions. If you do "have" to wera orthotic then you should were them in a neutral shoe, or you may over compensate what you are trying to correct.

Miklos

Foweva Awone wrote: »

I'm halfway through Couch to 10k and have been doing it regularly 3 times every week. I've struggled at times, but I've never been not able to finish a session.

Today I went out for W7D3, the third 25 minute run in a row. I gave in and went home just a few minutes in!! I was short of breath and my calves were aching.

Only thing I can think of is that I donated blood two days ago, could that affect my training? And for how long?

Thanks!

I have haemochromotosis so need to donate fairly regularly, you'll definitely be pretty goosed for a few days after. I would always take a few days easy after it, especially if you haven't been doing it often.

Reg'stoy

Ceepo wrote: »

Lots of questions here.
So you have been wearing orthotics for years but not in runners?
Why did you get fitted for orthotics in the 1st place ? If you were prescribed costume orthotics why did you buy over the counter ones?
What assessment did the chiropodist carry out to suggest wearing orthotics the whole time.?

You should keep in mind the orthotics do not fix anything. They may alleviate symptoms in an area but is usually going to cause a compensation somewhere else in the kinetic chain.

But to answer the questions. If you do "have" to wera orthotic then you should were them in a neutral shoe, or you may over compensate what you are trying to correct.

Physio when dealing with an unrelated problem had mentioned wearing arch support insoles (orthotics), particularly as I would be on my feet all day in military boots. So in boots and now wellington boots (since retiring) I have been wearing vasyli insoles for the last number of years. I tend to wear runners day to day and so was content wearing what I thought were runners that offered support. The idea of wearing custom inserts had never really been discussed as they were more of a preventative measure than a cure.

As I said, I was getting a toenail issue sorted and had brought a pair of runners for the chiropodist to have a look at. He mentioned that using scholl gelactiv sports arch support insoles would help with the toe issue particularly on my right foot. Anyway as I said I picked up the new insoles during the amazon prime day sale.

I had imagined that with the inserts fitted I should really go for a neutral runner but was looking for a bit of feedback re bringing them with you when trying on runners and what the general feeling was wearing them. I imagine that as I get older my feet will get flatter (51 now) and I do want to continue running, especially the Cork marathon next year (was meant to do it this year)

Clearlier

Reg'stoy wrote: »

Physio when dealing with an unrelated problem had mentioned wearing arch support insoles (orthotics), particularly as I would be on my feet all day in military boots. So in boots and now wellington boots (since retiring) I have been wearing vasyli insoles for the last number of years. I tend to wear runners day to day and so was content wearing what I thought were runners that offered support. The idea of wearing custom inserts had never really been discussed as they were more of a preventative measure than a cure.

As I said, I was getting a toenail issue sorted and had brought a pair of runners for the chiropodist to have a look at. He mentioned that using scholl gelactiv sports arch support insoles would help with the toe issue particularly on my right foot. Anyway as I said I picked up the new insoles during the amazon prime day sale.

I had imagined that with the inserts fitted I should really go for a neutral runner but was looking for a bit of feedback re bringing them with you when trying on runners and what the general feeling was wearing them. I imagine that as I get older my feet will get flatter (51 now) and I do want to continue running, especially the Cork marathon next year (was meant to do it this year)

Neutral runners are normally used with orthotics. There are people who specialise in orthotics (orthotists and podiatrists) whose opinion would probably be more valuable than other non-specialists such as chiropodists, physio's and OT's. There are other people (charlatans) who will claim to be able to produce customised orthotics (and charge similar money) but if you go down that route look for someone who is an orthotist or a podiatrist.

I have worn orthotics for several yars in the past and Ceepo's point about the kinetic change is well taken. They got me running when I couldn't for several years and I weaned myself off them however I could never get above a certain level and I have been left with other issues which multiple physio's have been unable to resolve. That said maybe if I still had them maybe I wouldn't have the issues!

The phrase 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' may apply here.

Cartman78

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on running on consecutive days.

For pretty much all of my running career running 2 days in a row was always risky and 3 days would have resulted in a few days off.

However, due to a recent and significant improvement in my general health, diet and fitness the goalposts have shifted....I ran 6 days in a row last week (and could probably have stretched to 7 but decided not to push my luck).

Anyway, would be interested to hear other people's experiences with consistent running on consecutive days?

Naos

Cartman78 wrote: »

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on running on consecutive days.

For pretty much all of my running career running 2 days in a row was always risky and 3 days would have resulted in a few days off.

However, due to a recent and significant improvement in my general health, diet and fitness the goalposts have shifted....I ran 6 days in a row last week (and could probably have stretched to 7 but decided not to push my luck).

Anyway, would be interested to hear other people's experiences with consistent running on consecutive days?

What distances were you running on the consecutive days compared to the days when you'd take a rest day in-between?

Cartman78

I ran a mid paced 10K last Monday,
followed by a slow 7K,
a 5K TT @ 85%,
another slow 7K,
6 x 800m intervals @ 75%,
and 2 miles on Saturday (one pacing my young fella around for a challenge they're doing with the juvenile club) and one on my own flat out.

Ideally I'd have had a longer slow run in there somewhere but limited to lunchtime activities at the minute.

There's no comparison to previous training blocks to be honest....running any combination of the sessions above would have resulted in Achilles flare up and a couple of days foam rolling and hobbling about.

Swashbuckler

Cartman78 wrote: »

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on running on consecutive days.

For pretty much all of my running career running 2 days in a row was always risky and 3 days would have resulted in a few days off.

However, due to a recent and significant improvement in my general health, diet and fitness the goalposts have shifted....I ran 6 days in a row last week (and could probably have stretched to 7 but decided not to push my luck).

Anyway, would be interested to hear other people's experiences with consistent running on consecutive days?

It's purely down to the individual. I know people running seven days a week some of which are double days.

My own personal experience has been 6 days a week for the last few years. In the past few months I'm running seven days a week, partly down to the length of time I've spent base building this year making me stronger and more able to manage the increased load and partly down to better stress/recovery management.

Like I said though it's purely individual. You simply can't compare with others. Just be aware that while on the surface of it, it might seem like you can manage the increased load, some issues won't present themselves for weeks.

TFBubendorfer

You can run on as many consecutive days as you want as long as a) you build up to that gradually and b) you run most of it at an easy pace.

If you are reasonably fit you can do one single week like Cartman describes without any hassle but if you tried that week after week you'd get injured sooner rather than later. It's the speed that kills you, not the miles.

ariana`

Anyone know what the difference is between kids' and adults runners aside from them being half the price?

Casey78

Cartman78 wrote: »

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on running on consecutive days.

For pretty much all of my running career running 2 days in a row was always risky and 3 days would have resulted in a few days off.

However, due to a recent and significant improvement in my general health, diet and fitness the goalposts have shifted....I ran 6 days in a row last week (and could probably have stretched to 7 but decided not to push my luck).

Anyway, would be interested to hear other people's experiences with consistent running on consecutive days?

Currently on a 21 day run streak. Hope to keep it going until the end of November at least.

Cartman78

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

You can run on as many consecutive days as you want as long as a) you build up to that gradually and b) you run most of it at an easy pace.

If you are reasonably fit you can do one single week like Cartman describes without any hassle but if you tried that week after week you'd get injured sooner rather than later. It's the speed that kills you, not the miles.

Thanks for reply - much appreciated.

To clarify, I don't intend on repeating last week every week....it was more a proof of concept than anything else.

I'm running mainly for headspace at the minute than anything else.... hopefully races will be back in 2021 at some stage
.

Klopp

Do you track your run's in km or miles?

Huzzah!

ariana` wrote: »

Anyone know what the difference is between kids' and adults runners aside from them being half the price?

Well, I've heard - I'd actually love it to be verified, because I'm not sure that I believe it - that kids' runners don't have anything like the support of an adult shoe.

Dubh Geannain

A couple of years ago I used to run maybe 2-3 days a week (most at near 80% or higher). I thought the aim was to suffer as much as possible on each run. If the run didn't kill me, my sprint finish would. Then I started looking seriously at what I was doing when I actually set a time target that I wanted to achieve and what was involved in actually getting faster. The mantra "get fast by running slow" was what stuck in my head.

Now if family commitments allowed it I know I'd be fit to run 6-7 days a week and would love to. But I'm in the 4-5 days p/w now which is good enough. To echo what's been said you could run every day if most of them are nice and easy.

I know for a fact I'd find walking 7 days a week much harder to achieve if I just set into it next week because I've not built it up slowly. Plus I'm not as big a fan of walking. Haven't spotted your log in a while. Great to hear the health has taken a positive turn. Long may it continue.

ariana`

Huzzah! wrote: »

Well, I've heard - I'd actually love it to be verified, because I'm not sure that I believe it - that kids' runners don't have anything like the support of an adult shoe.

Interesting they are a lot cheaper so maybe... although they look the same Maybe i'll try them out, it so happens my eldest kid is the same shoe size as me (not sure how that happened :eek:) so i suppose if i buy a boy friendly colour way i could always hand them down to him if they're no good.

Swashbuckler

ariana` wrote: »

Interesting they are a lot cheaper so maybe... although they look the same Maybe i'll try them out, it so happens my eldest kid is the same shoe size as me (not sure how that happened :eek:) so i suppose if i buy a boy friendly colour way i could always hand them down to him if they're no good.

Your young fella is gonna be delighted with his new pair of Alphafly.. Lol

Charliebull

Dubh Geannain wrote: »

A couple of years ago I used to run maybe 2-3 days a week (most at near 80% or higher). I thought the aim was to suffer as much as possible on each run. If the run didn't kill me, my sprint finish would. Then I started looking seriously at what I was doing when I actually set a time target that I wanted to achieve and what was involved in actually getting faster. The mantra "get fast by running slow" was what stuck in my head.

Now if family commitments allowed it I know I'd be fit to run 6-7 days a week and would love to. But I'm in the 4-5 days p/w now which is good enough. To echo what's been said you could run every day if most of them are nice and easy.

I know for a fact I'd find walking 7 days a week much harder to achieve if I just set into it next week because I've not built it up slowly. Plus I'm not as big a fan of walking. Haven't spotted your log in a while. Great to hear the health has taken a positive turn. Long may it continue.

this sounds something similar to where I was at previously and am at now
got great advice from one of the more experienced runners on here about slowing down and I did last March, started going for easy runs at a 10.20 per mile pace and then followed the marathon plan for this year until late summer

i go out now maybe 5 - 6 times a week, depending on family and work for 5-8 mile runs, but what I find is given that there are no races to train for, my runs are just easy pace, but I start off thinking I am going at an easy pace and TBH feel like I am but when i check the garmin I am running at anything between 8-05 to 8-35 per mile and not feeling like that pace at all
is this normal progression, been trying to slow myself down again this last couple weeks

ariana`

Swashbuckler wrote: »

Your young fella is gonna be delighted with his new pair of Alphafly.. Lol

Lol he might have to settle for a pair of Pegs... but it's still a far cry from what I was wearing when I was 10 :rolleyes:

wersal gummage

ariana` wrote: »

Interesting they are a lot cheaper so maybe... although they look the same Maybe i'll try them out, it so happens my eldest kid is the same shoe size as me (not sure how that happened :eek:) so i suppose if i buy a boy friendly colour way i could always hand them down to him if they're no good.

There's no VAT on children's shoes, this issue previously brought down a Government!

https://www.rte.ie/archives/exhibitions/1333-memorable-budgets/1338-budget-1982/

Dubh Geannain

Charliebull wrote: »

this sounds something similar to where I was at previously and am at now
got great advice from one of the more experienced runners on here about slowing down and I did last March, started going for easy runs at a 10.20 per mile pace and then followed the marathon plan for this year until late summer

i go out now maybe 5 - 6 times a week, depending on family and work for 5-8 mile runs, but what I find is given that there are no races to train for, my runs are just easy pace, but I start off thinking I am going at an easy pace and TBH feel like I am but when i check the garmin I am running at anything between 8-05 to 8-35 per mile and not feeling like that pace at all
is this normal progression, been trying to slow myself down again this last couple weeks

Don't ask me, ask the experts :pac:

IMO it's probably a combination of things. One is progression but mostly I'd say if you're not doing any workouts in the week then those easy runs will be much easier without the extra fatigue and you'll naturally end up running them faster. It's about the perceived effort level if you don't have a fancy heart rate monitor.

Swashbuckler

ariana` wrote: »

Lol he might have to settle for a pair of Pegs... but it's still a far cry from what I was wearing when I was 10 :rolleyes:

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