Random Running Questions

ariana`

Dubh Geannain wrote: »

Don't ask me, ask the experts :pac:

IMO it's probably a combination of things. One is progression but mostly I'd say if you're not doing any workouts in the week then those easy runs will be much easier without the extra fatigue and you'll naturally end up running them faster. It's about the perceived effort level if you don't have a fancy heart rate monitor.

I'd agree with this. I find an easy run the day after a rest day could be as much as a min/mile faster than an easy run the day after a workout for the same (or even less) perceived effort and HR.

wrstan

Cartman78 wrote: »

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on running on consecutive days.

For pretty much all of my running career running 2 days in a row was always risky and 3 days would have resulted in a few days off.

However, due to a recent and significant improvement in my general health, diet and fitness the goalposts have shifted....I ran 6 days in a row last week (and could probably have stretched to 7 but decided not to push my luck).

Anyway, would be interested to hear other people's experiences with consistent running on consecutive days?

You should ask @beepbeep67 - he's run a few consecutive days!:D

Sunny Dayz

Huzzah! wrote: »

Well, I've heard - I'd actually love it to be verified, because I'm not sure that I believe it - that kids' runners don't have anything like the support of an adult shoe.

I don’t know but I’ve not chanced it. I’m a size 5 in runners - I only buy my “running” runners in adult size, I buy my other runners (for walking, casual etc) always in kid size and no problems. Do they do proper running runners in kids sizes though?

Huzzah!

Sunny Dayz wrote: »

I don’t know but I’ve not chanced it. I’m a size 5 in runners - I only buy my “running” runners in adult size, I buy my other runners (for walking, casual etc) always in kid size and no problems. Do they do proper running runners in kids sizes though?

Yep - I wear Asics GT-1000s and they're available in Junior in my size. It will be interesting to see how ariana` finds the kids' Nike.

ariana`

Sunny Dayz wrote: »

I don’t know but I’ve not chanced it. I’m a size 5 in runners - I only buy my “running” runners in adult size, I buy my other runners (for walking, casual etc) always in kid size and no problems. Do they do proper running runners in kids sizes though?

Yeah they do in Nike also. I've my eye on Pegasus 37 and they look the very same in kid sizes which go up to 6.5. I follow a certain influencer on social media who is always touting the Nike kids size trainers for casual wear.

Laineyfrecks

ariana` wrote: »

Yeah they do in Nike also. I've my eye on Pegasus 37 and they look the very same in kid sizes which go up to 6.5. I follow a certain influencer on social media who is always touting the Nike kids size trainers for casual wear.

My last 3 pairs of Pegasus have been Nike Kids. I can't compare them to an adults version as I have never bought a pair. I find them really comfortable. I use the Pegs 36 for my easy runs alternated & the Pegs 37 I use for some sessions. I'm not going to advise buying them, that's completely down to what you think yourself but I haven't found any fault with them at all.

Cartman78

Dubh Geannain wrote: »

Haven't spotted your log in a while. Great to hear the health has taken a positive turn. Long may it continue.

Cheers....tbh I thought my running career was a goner a couple of months ago. Could barely get out of bed....the doctor was stumped, I'd just received a tentative diagnosis of fibromyalgia but he said to try one last roll of the dice and sent me to an allergist and fatigue specialist in Galway Clinic.

Long story short, went on a strict elimination diet and felt better within a week :-)

Still working through phases of testing and reintroducing various different foods but so relieved to have got to the bottom of it and looking forward to races returning asap. My mythical quest for a sub 3 might be back on track.

I'll fire up the blog again at some stage as well once I have something to train for.

Sunny Dayz

Great to hear the feedback in relation to kids size running shoes. Will definitely be keeping it in mind when I’m due a new pair, probably in the Spring.

BeepBeep67

wrstan wrote: »

You should ask @beepbeep67 - he's run a few consecutive days!:D

Alas, the streak came to an end last month, 1171, caught and bowled.
Had to take a mandatory 72 hours recovery after PRP for a lingering hamstring injury, which equated to 2 days missed. Back on the streak day # 12

jfh

BeepBeep67 wrote: »

Alas, the streak came to an end last month, 1171, caught and bowled.
Had to take a mandatory 72 hours recovery after PRP for a lingering hamstring injury, which equated to 2 days missed. Back on the streak day # 12

Had prp injection for high hamstring tendonopathy years ago, don't think it made any difference, be interested to know how you get on

Omega28

Hi,

I've only took to running recently and I've been getting pain in my hip, knee, shins, feet and achilles.

Would this be totally normally for a newbie to suffer with this?

TFBubendorfer

Omega28 wrote: »

Hi,

I've only took to running recently and I've been getting pain in my hip, knee, shins, feet and achilles.

Would this be totally normally for a newbie to suffer with this?

hip, knee, shins, feet and achilles - everwhere, basically? Sounds like you're doing a bit too much too soon.

It's quite normal for a new runner to have a lot of niggles, yes absolutely, but usually it's down to them overreaching themselves. The body takes some time to adapt. Take it easy for a while but keep at it.

ariana`

Omega28 wrote: »

Hi,

I've only took to running recently and I've been getting pain in my hip, knee, shins, feet and achilles.

Would this be totally normally for a newbie to suffer with this?

:eek: We can't give medical advice but this sounds a bit excessive to me. Some mild stiffness or tightness post run perhaps but pain is never good. Have you followed any kind of plan - Couch25k for example? I'd look at how often & how far you are doing and what pace you are doing it at? You need to build up slowly, focus on distance/time for now and keep it all nice and slooooow. Slow enough that you could comfortably carry out a a conversation using full sentences while running.

Omega28

I haven't ran in years so I think I did way too much too soon.

I only started running last week and did 2 x 5km, 2 x 8km, 3 x 12km jogs. That was my first week of running in about 10 years.

My pace would be 6 mins/km.

Doing so much in my first week has put me off now going back out. I'm going around crippled the last few days.

Swashbuckler

Omega28 wrote: »

I haven't ran in years so I think I did way too much too soon.

I only started running last week and did 2 x 5km, 2 x 8km, 3 x 12km jogs. That was my first week of running in about 10 years.

My pace would be 6 mins/km.

Doing so much in my first week has put me off now going back out. I'm going around crippled the last few days.

Wayyyyyyyyy too much too soon...... Follow the advice above.

ariana`

Omega28 wrote: »

I haven't ran in years so I think I did way too much too soon.

I only started running last week and did 2 x 5km, 2 x 8km, 3 x 12km jogs. That was my first week of running in about 10 years.

My pace would be 6 mins/km.

Doing so much in my first week has put me off now going back out. I'm going around crippled the last few days.

Well it seems you can already run distances up to 12k which is great but you need to build up the number of runs per week and distances much more gradually. Here's an idea of what a 10 week build might look like.

5, 5, 8
5, 5, 8
6, 5, 6
6, 5, 10
6, 5, 10
8, 5, 8
8, 5, 10
5, 5, 5, 8
5, 6, 5, 10
5, 8, 5, 10

There's many different combinations to structure this type of gradual build, ultimately you need to listen to your body and be patient. Consistency week in week out is the key to improvement. Best of luck.

Omega28

Thanks for the advice����

I'm really annoyed at myself for doing so much because it has put me off going back out now. My legs are so sore. My one week of running in ten years has caused me to be a cripple in a week.

I thought I was the big man going out last week doing mileage my legs wouldn't be use to and now I've paid the price.

Swashbuckler

Omega28 wrote: »

Thanks for the advice����

I'm really annoyed at myself for doing so much because it has put me off going back out now. My legs are so sore. My one week of running in ten years has caused me to be a cripple in a week.

I thought I was the big man going out last week doing mileage my legs wouldn't be use to and now I've paid the price.

Don't be too hard on yourself. Take a week off and see where you're at then start again. The body will come back to you don't worry.

Myksyk

Blasted enthusiasm writing cheques your body can't pay! Give yourself a couple of weeks. The motivation will return when the body recovers ... And you obviously know now to take it a LOT easier.

Omega28

Does speed come with practice or do you specifically have to train for speed?

diego_b

Omega28 wrote: »

Does speed come with practice or do you specifically have to train for speed?

Everyone probably has a certain baseline speed they can run...maybe a short sprint or longer slower/distance type run depending on the person. Some people are just bloody minded and can slot into running long distance runs with little training but probably have a background in other sports. But to sustain that baseline speed for a given distance or to improve on it you need to train. Simply running and following a basic structure will get most people to eventually plateau at speeds for a given distance, specific training is required then for the distance/event then to push on from where you are at.

BeginnerRunner

Anyone experience wild swings in GPS distances running with someone?

On a run today my apple watch SE using strava showed 11.44km, the guy I ran with wearing a polar V700 came out at 10.31km.

Which is likely to be more correct?

(there was A LOT of turns on the route so I'm not even going to try mapmyrun it)

ahnowbrowncow

BeginnerRunner wrote: »

Anyone experience wild swings in GPS distances running with someone?

On a run today my apple watch SE using strava showed 11.44km, the guy I ran with wearing a polar V700 came out at 10.31km.

Which is likely to be more correct?

(there was A LOT of turns on the route so I'm not even going to try mapmyrun it)

Have a look at both of the runs map data and put it in satellite mode. You'll see who which one stays truest to the actual route.

My guess would be the shorter run is incorrect, because of the turns it will likely show him cutting corners and running in straight lines across hedges etc., reducing the distance ran.

Trees and buildings affect the accuracy.

BeepBeep67

Omega28 wrote: »

Does speed come with practice or do you specifically have to train for speed?

Yes is the simple answer, but the what and the how depends on your definition of speed.
Do you mean your top-end sprinting speed or the pace you can maintain for a certain distance, 5k/10k, etc?

paddythere

Hey guys, quick question. How does smoking weed affect your running ability? I genuinely don't have a clue. Some of my friends tell me it doesn't affect it but they don't run seriously themselves. Then on the other hand I see ufc fighters who smoke weed and are still cardio freaks so I am a bit confused? I find it hard to tell if it affects my performance but I tend to get the feeling it does

BTW I use a pipe and don't smoke any tobaccos

Omega28

BeepBeep67 wrote: »

Yes is the simple answer, but the what and the how depends on your definition of speed.
Do you mean your top-end sprinting speed or the pace you can maintain for a certain distance, 5k/10k, etc?

The pace I can sustain a 5 or 10k.

My current pace is around 6-7min/km and I see guys going at 4-5min/km pace and I'm amazed at how they do it? I'm new to running by the way.

TFBubendorfer

Omega28 wrote: »

The pace I can sustain a 5 or 10k.

My current pace is around 6-7min/km and I see guys going at 4-5min/km pace and I'm amazed at how they do it? I'm new to running by the way.

When I started running 6-7min/km was the pace I would do my training runs in. I would not have been able to run much faster. I trained quite consistently and I gradually got faster. It wasn't speed training, I never did much of that, but as you get fitter your movement becomes more efficient, you get more power in your stride without even noticing and of course you can run for longer before getting tired. Within a couple of years my easy pace was around 5min/km and, if anything, that felt easier than 6-7min/km would have felt when I started out.

That kind of "speed" comes from training consistently. Now, if you want to get as fast as you can for a certain race distance, you need to do specific speed training sessions as well (interval training, tempo sessions, that kind of stuff). But the thing is, the easy pace improvements are sustainable and you can build layer upon layer of fitness that way. The top speed gains are much more temporary and much less sustainable.

Omega28

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

When I started running 6-7min/km was the pace I would do my training runs in. I would not have been able to run much faster. I trained quite consistently and I gradually got faster. It wasn't speed training, I never did much of that, but as you get fitter your movement becomes more efficient, you get more power in your stride without even noticing and of course you can run for longer before getting tired. Within a couple of years my easy pace was around 5min/km and, if anything, that felt easier than 6-7min/km would have felt when I started out.

That kind of "speed" comes from training consistently. Now, if you want to get as fast as you can for a certain race distance, you need to do specific speed training sessions as well (interval training, tempo sessions, that kind of stuff). But the thing is, the easy pace improvements are sustainable and you can build layer upon layer of fitness that way. The top speed gains are much more temporary and much less sustainable.

What training plan would you recommend for a total newbie?

I started last week, thought I was Superman and did 70km in my first week of running and now I'm unable to walk.

My pace was around 6-7 min/km. I obviously did too much too soon and just didn't have the fitness level for that much running. Is it purely because I'm just not fit enough yet to do that mileage?

When you were starting out, did you go out running every day? What was your structure/Training like?

Swashbuckler

Omega28 wrote: »

What training plan would you recommend for a total newbie?

I started last week, thought I was Superman and did 70km in my first week of running and now I'm unable to walk.

My pace was around 6-7 min/km. I obviously did too much too soon and just didn't have the fitness level for that much running. Is it purely because I'm just not fit enough yet to do that mileage?

When you were starting out, did you go out running every day? What was your structure/Training like?

Ariana's advice in previous post is pretty solid advice for you to start with. Nobody should get off the couch and run 70km in their first week running.
I'd recommend following that type of structure. You don't need to over think "speed" work yet. Let the body adjust to moving again then start thinking about speed stuff. It ain't glamorous but it works.

TFBubendorfer

Omega28 wrote: »

What training plan would you recommend for a total newbie?

I started last week, thought I was Superman and did 70km in my first week of running and now I'm unable to walk.

My pace was around 6-7 min/km. I obviously did too much too soon and just didn't have the fitness level for that much running. Is it purely because I'm just not fit enough yet to do that mileage?

When you were starting out, did you go out running every day? What was your structure/Training like?

I can't get my head around 70km in the first week. I think I did about 15k in my first week, and that was enough!

Keep in mind, when I started out the internet wasn't full of running advice and I made a lot of it up by trial and error. Also, I started from totally unfit, absolutely at point 0. There is no way I could have done 70 km in the first week.

I started by alternating running 5 minutes and walking 3 minutes for maybe 5k in total, 3 times a week. After 3 or 4 weeks I progressed to 5 minutes running and 1 minute walking, and after a few more weeks I was doing 9 minutes running and 1 minute walking and I was doing that 4 times a week.

Eventually (I guess 3 months after starting, but my memory is hazy) I was running without breaks and I gradually moved to running 5 times a week, then 6 times a week and eventually 7 times a week, but that's about 2 years from starting.

These days, if I had to do it all over again. I'd google "beginner 5k training plan" or maybe "beginner 10k training plan", and pick one. For complete beginners, a "couch to 5k" training plan is hard to beat and would always be my top recommendation.

Speed/interval training, as mentioned in my previous post, comes later, MUCH later. First you need to build your base fitness, everything else builds on that. Anyone doing tough interval workouts in their first year of running is wasting their time as well as asking for injury.

And, by the way, I am in no way a qualified coach.