Irish Water Discussion {MERGE}

Ogham

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

This raises a question ....... do those people have to return the form with their PPS number filled in?

No they don't - they just confirm name and address and say they are not a customer.

The letters are going to every address in the country. For some of them - they have the name of the possible owner - from Revenue's property tax data . Those letters will be addressed to a person.

Other addresses - they know are rented out because they have NPPR data/ PTRB data . It seems some or all of these are addressed to the occupier.

The properties that never registered for property tax - they will be addressed to the occupier .

Losty Dublin

Ruth Coppinger, TD, has tonight spoken out against the "Return to Sender, no contract no consent" tactics bollocks.

https://www.facebook.com/RuthCoppingerTD/photos/a.460692917354688.1073741825.156398467784136/695065810584063/?type=1

Ogham

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Ruth Coppinger, TD, has tonight spoken out against the "Return to Sender, no contract no consent" tactics bollocks.

https://www.facebook.com/RuthCoppingerTD/photos/a.460692917354688.1073741825.156398467784136/695065810584063/?type=1

She makes a lot of sense .

Sala

Ogham wrote: »

No they don't - they just confirm name and address and say they are not a customer.

The letters are going to every address in the country. For some of them - they have the name of the possible owner - from Revenue's property tax data . Those letters will be addressed to a person.

Other addresses - they know are rented out because they have NPPR data/ PTRB data . It seems some or all of these are addressed to the occupier.

The properties that never registered for property tax - they will be addressed to the occupier .

Interesting... Mine was address to the occupier, does that mean my landlord never paid to property tax?

Ogham

Sala wrote: »

Interesting... Mine was address to the occupier, does that mean my landlord never paid to property tax?

Not necessarily - as I said "Other addresses - they know are rented out because they have NPPR data/ PTRB data . It seems some or all of these are addressed to the occupier."

It looks like where they know a property is rented out they may just address it to the occupier because they don't have all details of tenants. The landlord should be getting another letter listing all the houses they own so he/she can tell IW which are occupied.

Sala

Ogham wrote: »

Not necessarily - as I said "Other addresses - they know are rented out because they have NPPR data/ PTRB data . It seems some or all of these are addressed to the occupier."

It looks like where they know a property is rented out they may just address it to the occupier because they don't have all details of tenants. The landlord should be getting another letter listing all the houses they own so he/she can tell IW which are occupied.

Ah sorry I see that now.

Fred Swanson

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Carawaystick

Ogham wrote: »

Not necessarily - as I said "Other addresses - they know are rented out because they have NPPR data/ PTRB data . It seems some or all of these are addressed to the occupier."

I doubt any data given in relation to nppr or prtb could be used as they were not given for the purpose of charging for domestic water services.

Timberrrrrrrr

Fred Swanson wrote: »

I notice that you cannot submit your application online as gaelige.

Can you fill the physical form in as Gaelige?

Grolschevik

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Can you fill the physical form in as Gaelige?

Yes. There's an English version and an Irish version. As I recall, you can also nominate (online) all correspondence to be in Irish.

Timberrrrrrrr

Grolschevik wrote: »

Yes. There's an English version and an Irish version. As I recall, you can also nominate (online) all correspondence to be in Irish.

Am sure some will say that's not enough. They will expect the meter fitters to converse in Irish next.

Robbo

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Ruth Coppinger, TD, has tonight spoken out against the "Return to Sender, no contract no consent" tactics bollocks.

https://www.facebook.com/RuthCoppingerTD/photos/a.460692917354688.1073741825.156398467784136/695065810584063/?type=1

The comments are hilarious.

What the **** is it with these pseudolaw cranks? They just prattle on and on with their bull**** and they never let the facts get in their way ...

For context, the person who made that comment has an Isaac Wunder order against him and thinks that the 2009 Defamation Act was brought in by Bryan Cowen to protect Jimmy Savile.

Robbo

Grolschevik wrote: »

Yes. There's an English version and an Irish version. As I recall, you can also nominate (online) all correspondence to be in Irish.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Am sure some will say that's not enough. They will expect the meter fitters to converse in Irish next.

It's always amazing how animated someone will get about defending their strict language rights, as they imagine them, when they think it will allow them to escape paying for something or being pinned for petty crime.

cowzerp

1.2 billion a year of our taxes come directly for water, minister coveney even confirmed this stat, considering there is 1.7 million homes inhabited in Ireland, thats 705 euro a year on average per household already paying for water

Irish water is nothing more than a quango which is costing more to run for the same services we always got and always paid for and with the low quality meters they are installing we will be seeing way more leaks, also when irish water are getting 188 euro per hour to fix these leaks it's no wonder they are putting in meters that are made to fail (plumber friend of mine who works for the council's words)

The government doesn't have the money to pay legal aid for all the people they will need to bring to court who won't be paying

Timberrrrrrrr

cowzerp wrote: »

1.2 billion a year of our taxes come directly for water, minister coveney even confirmed this stat, considering there is 1.7 million homes inhabited in Ireland, thats 705 euro a year on average per household already paying for water

Irish water is nothing more than a quango which is costing more to run for the same services we always got and always paid for and with the low quality meters they are installing we will be seeing way more leaks, also when irish water are getting 188 euro per hour to fix these leaks it's no wonder they are putting in meters that are made to fail (plumber friend of mine who works for the council's words)

The government doesn't have the money to pay legal aid for all the people they will need to bring to court who won't be paying

Me mate told me this in the pub so it MUST be true :rolleyes:

cowzerp

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Me mate told me this in the pub so it MUST be true :rolleyes:

He's a very experience plumber and said they are guaranteed to leak, you do realise that's what plumbing is all about!

the irish water workers are qualified at nothing and are already causing leaks all over Ireland.

Timberrrrrrrr

cowzerp wrote: »

He's a very experience plumber and said they are guaranteed to leak, you do realise that's what plumbing is all about!

the irish water workers are qualified at nothing and are already causing leaks all over Ireland.

And i'm sure you can post up more reputable evidence other than "My mate told me"

cowzerp

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And i'm sure you can post up more reputable evidence other than "My mate told me"

What's better evidence than an expert on the subject saying they are low quality and will leak, You might not understand plumbing and quality equipment but he certainly does, and i have a small idea too.

On the qualifications of Irish water workers! anyone can get them jobs as they are a non skilled job.

Timberrrrrrrr

cowzerp wrote: »

What's better evidence than an expert on the subject saying they are low quality and will leak, You might not understand plumbing and quality equipment but he certainly does, and i have a small idea too.

My mate in the pub told me that microwave ovens are the cause of down syndrome, He repairs microwave ovens for a living so he must be right.

See how silly your argument sounds without evidence of your claims?

Better evidence would be actual evidence of these "leaks all over Ireland" caused by the shoddy workmanship if the IW workers and the below quality meters being used.

Fred Swanson

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cowzerp

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

My mate in the pub told me that microwave ovens are the cause of down syndrome, He repairs microwave ovens for a living so he must be right.

See how silly your argument sounds without evidence of your claims?

Better evidence would be actual evidence of these "leaks all over Ireland" caused by the shoddy workmanship if the IW workers and the below quality meters being used.

1st off, your patronising tone only makes you look like an idiot, my friend who i see all the time who is an expert in Plumbing unlike a microwave fixer!

told me not in the pub by the way as you keep smartly suggesting that they are low quality and will leak, this is separate to the Irish water workers non qualifications for the job, now apart from you trying to be smart do you have anything of use to add?

Timberrrrrrrr

cowzerp wrote: »

1st off, your patronising tone only makes you look like an idiot, my friend who i see all the time who is an expert in Plumbing unlike a microwave fixer!

told me not in the pub by the way as you keep smartly suggesting that they are low quality and will leak, this is separate to the Irish water workers non qualifications for the job, now apart from you trying to be smart do you have anything of use to add?

So how come your "friend" is able to tell you this yet no other "experts" have busted this wide open? Why is it not all over the news about these "leaks all over Ireland" and breaking news about the shoddy cheap meters that are/will break?

Johnboy1951

Robbo wrote: »

It's always amazing how animated someone will get about defending their strict language rights, as they imagine them, when they think it will allow them to escape paying for something or being pinned for petty crime.

On the other hand if there is a requirement for the languages to be available anyone who wishes is well entitled to complain if they are not available.

Why would this complaint not be completely acceptable?

FreudianSlippers

Just going to apply some standards to the quality of posting:

cowzerp wrote: »

1.2 billion a year of our taxes come directly for water, minister coveney even confirmed this stat {{Citation needed}}, considering there is 1.7 million homes inhabited in Ireland, thats 705 euro a year on average per household already paying for water

Irish water is nothing more than a quango which is costing more to run for the same services we always got {{Citation needed}} and always paid for {{Citation needed}} and with the low quality meters they are installing we will be seeing way more leaks {{Citation needed}}, also when irish water are getting 188 euro per hour to fix these leaks {{Citation needed}} it's no wonder they are putting in meters that are made to fail (plumber friend of mine who works for the council's words)

The government doesn't have the money to pay legal aid for all the people they will need to bring to court who won't be paying {{Citation needed}}

Grolschevik

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

On the other hand if there is a requirement for the languages to be available anyone who wishes is well entitled to complain if they are not available.

Why would this complaint not be completely acceptable?

Complaint negated by the ability to fill in a paper version of the form in Irish.

cowzerp

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So how come your "friend" is able to tell you this yet no other "experts" have busted this wide open? Why is it not all over the news about these "leaks all over Ireland" and breaking news about the shoddy cheap meters that are/will break?

The news!! that's the funniest thing i have ever read

which news? the states news RTE, Denis o' Briens to many to mention

I'm out of here, it's people like you that is wrong with this country, roll over and die and accept what ever measures it takes to pay back these gambling bankers

Timberrrrrrrr

cowzerp wrote: »

The news!! that's the funniest thing i have ever read

which news? the states news RTE, Denis o' Briens to many to mention

I'm out of here, it's people like you that is wrong with this country, roll over and die and accept what ever measures it takes to pay back these gambling bankers

Any news, why is it only you and your expert friend know about this? Sure as **** stinks if any of the anti water brigade heard about this they would be on top of Leinster house shouting about it yet you're the one and only person to make these claims.

FreudianSlippers

cowzerp wrote: »

The news!! that's the funniest thing i have ever read

which news? the states news RTE, Denis o' Briens to many to mention

I'm out of here, it's people like you that is wrong with this country, roll over and die and accept what ever measures it takes to pay back these gambling bankers

I think you're looking for the Conspiracy Theories Forum.

Fred Swanson

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fxotoole

cowzerp wrote: »

The government doesn't have the money to pay legal aid for all the people they will need to bring to court who won't be paying

They don't need to sue people. They'll just restrict their water supplies.