Irish Water Discussion {MERGE}

cowzerp · 15-09-2014 12:41pm

fxotoole wrote: »

They don't need to sue people. They'll just restrict their water supplies.

can't be done!! scare tactic is all that is

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-09-2014 12:44pm

cowzerp wrote: »

can't be done!! scare tactic is all that is

Evidence?

Or just some other lie your plumber buddy told you?

cowzerp · 15-09-2014 12:44pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Evidence?

Or just some other lie your plumber buddy told you?

the claim of it been turned down needs evidence, you cant prove a negative

Victor · 15-09-2014 12:49pm

cowzerp wrote: »

1.2 billion a year of our taxes come directly for water, minister coveney even confirmed this stat, considering there is 1.7 million homes inhabited in Ireland, thats 705 euro a year on average per household already paying for water

Not all of this relates to households. Businesses already pay directly for water.

the low quality meters they are installing we will be seeing way more leaks,

If this is true, the manufacturers / suppliers can be held responsible.

The government doesn't have the money to pay legal aid for all the people they will need to bring to court who won't be paying

Why would legal aid be available?

cowzerp · 15-09-2014 12:51pm

Victor wrote: »

Not all of this relates to households. Businesses already pay directly for water.

yeah direct to the council, not to the government
I pay it myself

Also the water tax comes from vat, income tax and car tax that was all added on specifically for water, so either way the average is 705 per household, even if business came into the equation, it's all money in the water pot

Victor · 15-09-2014 1:01pm

cowzerp wrote: »

Also the water tax comes from ...

You might want to re-look at the tenses there.

garhjw · 15-09-2014 1:01pm

cowzerp wrote: »

the claim of it been turned down needs evidence, you cant prove a negative

Huh?

stooge · 15-09-2014 1:06pm

can someone with technical knowledge tell me how irish water can turn down/restrict supply to an individual house based on whether that house has or has not paid their bill? Especially to those houses without a new meter.

cowzerp · 15-09-2014 1:07pm

Victor wrote: »

You might want to re-look at the tenses there.

the taxes added onto all these were direct for water when the last double tax of water was attempted

garhjw wrote: »

Huh?

you cant prove god doesn't exist, just like you can't prove this negative
The onus is on the 1 claiming it can be lowered to prove his claim, I can tell you now a stop cock has an on and off feature, no inbetween

to lower pressure the whole estate would need to be lowered.

but plumbers who've been working on the system the last 15 years wouldn't know that would they Timberrrrr!

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-09-2014 1:12pm

cowzerp wrote: »

the taxes added onto all these were direct for water when the last double tax of water was attempted

you cant prove god doesn't exist, just like you can't prove this negative
The onus is on the 1 claiming it can be lowered to prove his claim, I can tell you now a stop cock has an on and off feature, no inbetween

to lower pressure the whole estate would need to be lowered.

but plumbers who've been working on the system the last 15 years wouldn't know that would they Timberrrrr!

Or the new meter that runs to your specific water pipe has a tap that can be turned to restrict water to your house. But hey i'm no plumber so what do i know? Any sign of that evidence that IW workers are causing leaks all over the country and the water meters are shoddy pieces of work guaranteed to break?

cowzerp · 15-09-2014 1:14pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Or the new meter that runs to your specific water pipe has a tap that can be turned to restrict water to your house. But hey i'm no plumber so what do i know? Any sign of that evidence that IW workers are causing leaks all over the country and the water meters are shoddy pieces of work guaranteed to break?

1st off they cant, secondly nobody should have a meter in and i certainly won't have 1 so it won't be an issue to me anyway, they have to take me and thousands more to court for breach of contract!

Contract that cant be forced on you and that i have not and will not sign.

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-09-2014 1:17pm

cowzerp wrote: »

1st off they cant, secondly nobody should have a meter in and i certainly won't have 1 so it won't be an issue to me anyway, they have to take me and thousands more to court for breach of contract!

Contract that cant be forced on you and that i have not and will not sign.

First off, Can't what?

Secondly, If you are using the public water system and/or sewerage system then you will pay like the rest of us, you can bluff and bluster online all you like but once you are using the services you will eventually pay for it. You may not like this but that's tough titty.

cowzerp · 15-09-2014 1:22pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

First off, Can't what?

Secondly, If you are using the public water system and/or sewerage system then you will pay like the rest of us, you can bluff and bluster online all you like but once you are using the services you will eventually pay for it. You may not like this but that's tough titty.

Cant lower the pressure, it's not true

And I won't be paying for this, it's even on their own website they will need to bring us to court for breach of contract, it's beyond funny how stupid some people are thinking they can force anyone into a contract!!

Little CuChulainn · 15-09-2014 1:24pm

cowzerp wrote: »

1st off they cant, secondly nobody should have a meter in and i certainly won't have 1 so it won't be an issue to me anyway, they have to take me and thousands more to court for breach of contract!

Contract that cant be forced on you and that i have not and will not sign.

They won't be taking you to court for breach of contract. That's something the morons from DDI and Dublin Says No spout. If you have no meter you will receive an estimated bill. If you don't pay it you will be taken to court for failing to pay the charges and fined. Then the revenue will simply deduct it from you.

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-09-2014 1:24pm

cowzerp wrote: »

Cant lower the pressure, it's not true

And I won't be paying for this, it's even on their own website they will need to bring us to court for breach of contract, it's beyond funny how stupid some people are thinking they can force anyone into a contract!!

Why can't they lower the pressure?

Everytime you use your tap you re enforce your contract. I have no contract with the roads crowd does that mean i can cross the M50 for free from now on?

Paulw · 15-09-2014 1:28pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

If you don't pay it you will be taken to court for failing to pay the charges and fined. Then the revenue will simply deduct it from you.

I have yet to see anything in legislation that says that the Revenue have the power to deduct water charges from you. Can you point to that, please?

As far as I can see, it would be like any other company trying to collect a debt from you - court, judgement, etc ... but no power for the Revenue to deduct at source.

cowzerp · 15-09-2014 1:29pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

They won't be taking you to court for breach of contract. That's something the morons from DDI and Dublin Says No spout. If you have no meter you will receive an estimated bill. If you don't pay it you will be taken to court for failing to pay the charges and fined. Then the revenue will simply deduct it from you.

scare mongering, it';s even on their website that they have to go through normal procedures of breach of contract, contract we don't have

Revenue cant take money for a private company, simply cant

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-09-2014 1:31pm

cowzerp wrote: »

scare mongering, it';s even on their website that they have to go through normal procedures of breach of contract, contract we don't have

Revenue cant take money for a private company, simply cant

If you use the public water system then you have a contract. Don't want a contract? Cut yourself off from the public water and sewerage system.

Johnboy1951 · 15-09-2014 1:31pm

cowzerp wrote: »

1st off they cant, secondly nobody should have a meter in and i certainly won't have 1 so it won't be an issue to me anyway, they have to take me and thousands more to court for breach of contract!

Contract that cant be forced on you and that i have not and will not sign.

If you are connected to mains water you will have no choice .... the meter will be inserted between your connection and the main pipe, and will not be on your property.

Little CuChulainn · 15-09-2014 1:35pm

Paulw wrote: »

I have yet to see anything in legislation that says that the Revenue have the power to deduct water charges from you. Can you point to that, please?

As far as I can see, it would be like any other company trying to collect a debt from you - court, judgement, etc ... but no power for the Revenue to deduct at source.

Afaik the revenue are being given the task of collecting court fines from people who don't pay them.

cowzerp wrote: »

scare mongering, it';s even on their website that they have to go through normal procedures of breach of contract, contract we don't have

Revenue cant take money for a private company, simply cant

Unless you cut off your water you are accepting their service and the contract that goes with it. Same as if you went into a petrol station and filled up the car. Are you gonna drive off saying "no contract"?

fxotoole · 15-09-2014 1:52pm

cowzerp wrote: »

1st off they cant, secondly nobody should have a meter in and i certainly won't have 1 so it won't be an issue to me anyway, they have to take me and thousands more to court for breach of contract!

The anti-property tax crowd said the same thing about the property tax, yet there was 94% compliance. Also, there was no need to take people to court as they have ways and means of making you pay.

fxotoole · 15-09-2014 1:55pm

cowzerp wrote: »

Revenue cant take money for a private company, simply cant

What makes you think Irish Water are a private company?

cowzerp · 15-09-2014 1:58pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Afaik the revenue are being given the task of collecting court fines from people who don't pay them.

They will have to take thousands to court, and all with legal aid!

fxotoole wrote: »

The anti-property tax crowd said the same thing about the property tax, yet there was 94% compliance. Also, there was no need to take people to court as they have ways and means of making you pay.

they do have to take people to court, they cant by law touch your bank as this is a private company and not the government

No meter will be attaching to my property, that's my right and 1 I won't be allowing

cowzerp · 15-09-2014 1:59pm

fxotoole wrote: »

What makes you think Irish Water are a private company?

they are a private company, just because the government have shares in it, does not change this.

Again this is on their own website!

Little CuChulainn · 15-09-2014 2:01pm

cowzerp wrote: »

They will have to take thousands to court, and all with legal aid!

Legal aid? What gives you that impression?

cowzerp · 15-09-2014 2:06pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Legal aid? What gives you that impression?

because all will have that right, thats why

And to the people saying it's not private, it's private like bord gais was and they couldn't touch your wages

How is this on legal discussions when most don't even know what the simplest laws are!

Paulw · 15-09-2014 2:06pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Afaik the revenue are being given the task of collecting court fines from people who don't pay them.

Where did you see that? Last I saw was that the Revenue had no power to collect unpaid water charges fees.

cowzerp · 15-09-2014 2:10pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Unless you cut off your water you are accepting their service and the contract that goes with it. Same as if you went into a petrol station and filled up the car. Are you gonna drive off saying "no contract"?

Also, to offer a contract you need to offer something, this is offering nothing we don't already have or have not paid for for years, All this infrastructure has been paid for by our tax money, Irish water will be gone in a year along with this water charge scam.

Grolschevik · 15-09-2014 2:11pm

cowzerp wrote: »

they are a private company, just because the government have shares in it, does not change this.

Again this is on their own website!

Yep, there it is, clear as... oh, wait...

"The Government have explicitly stated that Irish Water will remain within public ownership.

There is absolutely no intention to privatise water services. The investment in the water sector is key to our country's strategic interests and legislation will restate the existing prohibition on the privatisation of water assets.

The sale of Bord Gáis Energy will have no impact on the public ownership of Irish Water."

http://www.water.ie/help-centre/questions-and-answers/what-is-bord-gais-involvement-in-irish-water/?category=general-information

Grolschevik · 15-09-2014 2:12pm

cowzerp wrote: »

How is this on legal discussions when most don't even know what the simplest laws are!

You said it.

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