Dublin Bus driver, "I'll run you over".

Scrappy600

He puts himself in a lot more dangerous situations than is necessary and cycles straight into stuff he should have have the forward awareness to avoid simply to make a point of how terribly awful other people are. Doesnt ride defensively at all and seems happy to plow straight into an avoidable crash to prove a point Pain in the a**e to watch and listen to on youtube to be honest.

CramCycle

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

If you look in the background when the cyclist is talking to the driver, a bus stop (with waiting passenger) is in the background. He'd have to cross the cycle lane to reach the footpath. It's the crazy system where the lightest and heaviest vehicles on the road share the same space - but it's not obvious how it could be done better.

With the number of stops would a cycle lane to the right of the bus lane make more sense? Personally I think that no cycle lane makes the most sense as the larger vehicle must recognise the bike in its lane as a form of traffic (it should anyway but one step at a time), it would hopefully discourage undertaking as well.

LennoxR

This trend of filming your bike commute and looking for confrontations is one of the most obnoxious cycling phenomena of recent years.

I commute by bike and it's mostly completely uneventful and boring. Yes you sometimes have scary incidents but just get bloody well on with it, don't be posting on youtube and playing the victim.

Now all that said the driver's reaction here was out of order. He's essentially threatening to kill the guy.

happytramp

LennoxR wrote: »

Now all that said the driver's reaction here was out of order. He's essentially threatening to kill the guy.

Don't think so. He's basically implying that's what will eventually happen if the cyclist continues to cycle like that (pulling out suddenly in front of the bus to talk to the driver, etc). The cyclist makes quite a painful attempt to get the driver to threaten him, which he semi/sort of does in a confused way.

And I'll join the growing consensus that.... Driver = Dangerous, Cyclist = Twat

Oldlegs

LennoxR wrote: »

Now all that said the driver's reaction here was out of order. He's essentially threatening to kill the guy.

Not sure where you get that at all.
1:48 Driver clearly says - "If you keep doing what you are doing you definitely (will die)". That is not a threat, it is a clear attempt to try to get the Cyclist to reconsider his cycling habits.

That then gets followed up with ...

1:55 Cyclist clearly telling the driver "F*ck You, ..." before heading on between two lines of traffic (buses and cars) along the solid white line.

IMO - Driver should not have crossed the white line BUT he was never aggressive or threatening.
Cyclist was acting the dick, and his cycling behaviour was not in his own best interests, nor anyone else's.

LennoxR

happytramp wrote: »

And I'll join the growing consensus that.... Driver = Dangerous, Cyclist = Twat

Works for me.

That is not a threat, it is a clear attempt to try to get the Cyclist to reconsider his cycling habits.

That is to say the least a very charitable interpretation. What he says at 28 seconds is 'don't talk to me, I'll run you over no problem'. And let's be honest he should not be driving in the cycle lane. That is a threat.

Your man with the camera is a dope though.

PrettyBoy

Cyclist is a complete and utter idiot, clearly looking for trouble at every opportunity. The self-righteous prick will pick a fight with the wrong person one day, hopefully soon.

TonyStark

So cyclist basically approaches an known bus stop and doesn't anticipate movement of the bus across it to the bus bay.

Other cyclists have anticipated the bus and moved into the traffic lane to overtake the bus. Presumably others have sat behind the vehicle.

Bus gets jittery with unknown hazard to the right (possibly a cyclist) of it and veers slightly over into the cycle lane where our go pro hero is sitting in its blind spot.

At the end of the manoeuvre go pro manages just to overtake a slower cyclist in front of him with the bus. There wasn't much thought of the other cyclist.

cuppa

LennoxR wrote: »

Works for me.



That is to say the least a very charitable interpretation. What he says at 28 seconds is 'don't talk to me, I'll run you over no problem'. And let's be honest he should not be driving in the cycle lane. That is a threat.

Your man with the camera is a dope though.

You missed the "just go in front of me ill run you over no problem"

It is not a threat, he is saying to the cyclist if you swerve in front of a bus you will get run over.

And this is the problem with the video, the cyclist is saying he was threatened by the bus drive that he will run him over.. when he clearly is not..

Title of video should be, bus driver told me if I pull out in front of a bus I will get run over.

LennoxR

cuppa wrote: »

You missed the "just go in front of me ill run you over no problem"

It is not a threat, he is saying to the cyclist if you swerve in front of a bus you will get run over.

And this is the problem with the video, the cyclist is saying he was threatened by the bus drive that he will run him over.. when he clearly is not..

Title of video should be, bus driver told me if I pull out in front of a bus I will get run over.

To me, 'I'll run you over no problem', is absolutely a threat. It means I would have no problem in hitting you possibly killing if you do that.

It's quite different from the passive sentence 'you will get run over if you keep that sh*t up' that you are implying.

Dr Crippen

LennoxR wrote: »

To me, 'I'll run you over no problem', is absolutely a threat. It means I would have no problem in hitting you possibly killing if you do that.

It's quite different from the passive sentence 'you will get run over if you keep that sh*t up' that you are implying.

That's fairly dramatic, he meant don't be a gob****e and cycle out in front of a bus. Let's not forget he is dealing with a cyclist who has from previous evidence been cycling around with a chip on his shoulder, you only have to see his tweets to get a measure of the drama he radiates.

cuppa

well I guess you have to be a Dub to understand what he means

bucketybuck

Its interesting that the bus has cyclists passing it both on the left and on the right, and neither of them are in the wrong. Perhaps they should pick a side.

Dr Crippen

cuppa wrote: »

well I guess you have to be a Dub to understand what he means

Yeah exactly

Grimebox

cheerspal wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MjkKSclIXk&list=UUCHxxO6YKuaq-66Yrx9kfuA


Why is he cycling in the middle of the road?

He's perfectly entitled to

blobbie

cuppa wrote: »

well I guess you have to be a Dub to understand what he means

I'm a Dub and to me it is 100% a threat - not a warning, not advice, simply a threat.

Both idiots - be interesting to see what, if any, action DB will take.

Rezident

Too many drivers in Dublin seem to HATE cyclists and some seem to be looking for an excuse to run them over. I don't believe that nobody has died in a situation like this, they just didn't have a camera.

noddy69

This cyclist has a chip on his shoulder. He takes shots and gets in drivers faces as if he is on a quest to teach drivers what he perceives to be the rules of the road. In one video he starts blabbering to a taxi driver about being in the cycle box in front of traffic.....why? To get on you tube that's why. The driver just said he stopped late as the light changed...no issue.
He cycles in the middle of the road,whether he is entitled to as one person said or not it just isn't respectful to motorists, its about respect both ways and from his page he goes out of his way to make sure he gets the shots he wants.
I have been cycling for years and you would swear from his vids its a death trap out there.....it is if your a prick.

Any sane person would have put the brakes on, this hero decides to speed up the inside of a bus pulling in !
Yes the driver should have waited but this fella is a lunatic with a camera. Stunts like that get people killed.
He is lucky the driver did see him and if he had put the brakes on I might have more sympathy for him.

No comment on the bus driver.

con___manx1

the bus driver was in the wrong but i wouldn't have cycled to the inside of that bus. you have to expect the unexpected on the road. I reckon even more so as a cyclist because you are the most vulnerable road user. A tap of a car and that's it dead or in bits. 4 cyclists killed in Ireland already this year.

monument

kona wrote: »

The cyclist goes looking for trouble on a constant basis, he even wears a gopro to capture it!!

Dublin Bus and Luas must be looking for looking for trouble on a constant basis, they have even put cameras all around their buses / trams to capture it!!!

TheQuietFella

To be honest I think the bus driver was trying to make allowances for the guy
who over took him & to be fair, he probably didn't see the guy coming up on the inside left
who in my view was looking for trouble. He in my view made an extra effort to get into trouble & I think the attitude of the cyclists is appalling & I'm both a cyclist & a bus driver.

Ronaldinho

My tuppence worth...
I don't know/use that stretch of road and I'm fairly lucky that the roads I do use in Dublin are pretty much bus/HGV free.
I do tend to cycle fairly defensively but I can't say for certain that I wouldn't have started to undertake the bus there given it wasn't indicating. So I'd have a lot of sympathy for him up to 0.09 in the clip.
BUT he should see what's happening by the time he get's level with the middle wheel of the bus and if he had any cop on would
surely have braked. Continuing on with half the cycle lane occupied by the bus was lunacy IMHO.

Does the fella in red have any right to be cycling up between two lanes of traffic like that? Seems just as dangerous or even more-so to me.
Outside the bike lane, with fast moving traffic both sides of him.

colm_mcm

Just wondering, do cyclists have to adhere to speed limits too?

Ninap

colm_mcm wrote: »

Just wondering, do cyclists have to adhere to speed limits too?

Yes, but pretty rare for a cyclist to exceed 50km, whereas most motorists do it on every single journey. Plus, most cycle lanes aren't suitable for riding in at above about 15km.

But back to the OP, my experience is that most Dublin Bus drivers are pretty ok and respectful towards cyclists; it's taxi drivers and other motorists that are the main problem. I'd like if taxi drivers had to do training on how to overtake cyclists safely before getting their license.

DirkVoodoo

Surprised by some comments here.

The guys on the right are clearly moving into the next lane to turn right.

The bus would appear to be pulling in to stop, except he only starts to indicate once the cyclist is alongside him. Defeats the purpose of indicating.

Yes, the cyclist seems to be aggressive. Does he throw himself into dangerous situations? Probably. Is he right? No.

However, the bottom line is that the driver's comments are completely out of line and actually a little scary. I got a nice close pass from the number 31 coming out of Howth village towards the summit on Monday. Nothing coming against him but he gave me no room. And for what? He was pulled in waiting for his shift to start at the top of the hill.

It's pretty shocking that someone can display this attitude. Of all the people on the roads, surely a bus driver has the least reason to suffer road rage? He's already at work, he's being paid to be there and he is driving one of the largest vehicles on the quays. I'm not going to wheel out the rape analogy, this is more akin to abuse by orderlies in old folks homes or teachers being nasty to pre-schoolers. They are clearly not suited to the job for which they have been hired.

Bus drivers should be pleasant, courteous and aware. Instead we seem to have a public transport system that attracts nasty (yes, I'm looking at you Mr.I-love-watching-people-run-for-the-bus-as-I-pull-away), angry people. Perhaps it's time for Dublin Bus to look at how they recruit drivers and how they reward them. Promotions based on courtesy and clean driving only?

Hail to the bus driver man, indeed.

Chips Lovell

colm_mcm wrote: »

Just wondering, do cyclists have to adhere to speed limits too?

No. Speed limits don't apply to bicycles.

kona

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Surprised by some comments here.

The guys on the right are clearly moving into the next lane to turn right.

The bus would appear to be pulling in to stop, except he only starts to indicate once the cyclist is alongside him. Defeats the purpose of indicating.

Yes, the cyclist seems to be aggressive. Does he throw himself into dangerous situations? Probably. Is he right? No.

However, the bottom line is that the driver's comments are completely out of line and actually a little scary. I got a nice close pass from the number 31 coming out of Howth village towards the summit on Monday. Nothing coming against him but he gave me no room. And for what? He was pulled in waiting for his shift to start at the top of the hill.

It's pretty shocking that someone can display this attitude. Of all the people on the roads, surely a bus driver has the least reason to suffer road rage? He's already at work, he's being paid to be there and he is driving one of the largest vehicles on the quays. I'm not going to wheel out the rape analogy, this is more akin to abuse by orderlies in old folks homes or teachers being nasty to pre-schoolers. They are clearly not suited to the job for which they have been hired.

Bus drivers should be pleasant, courteous and aware. Instead we seem to have a public transport system that attracts nasty (yes, I'm looking at you Mr.I-love-watching-people-run-for-the-bus-as-I-pull-away), angry people. Perhaps it's time for Dublin Bus to look at how they recruit drivers and how they reward them. Promotions based on courtesy and clean driving only?

Hail to the bus driver man, indeed.

I'd say they are nice people, then they started dealing with the public. My dear Jesus dealing with the public is a pain in the hole. You've to deal with junkies, Alcos, arseholes, cyclists like yer man etc and have to do it for hours a day, that's ontop of the pressure of possible negative equity, and god knows what personal problems.

This whole situation could have been avoided by some common sense, I've had people pull infront of me in cars, busses pull in etc, guess what? I take the line that is the safest and get the **** on with it. I don't point a camera in some drivers face and provoke a reaction, take his comments out of context and embark on a smear campaign. The cyclist is a utter utter wanker. I'd hate to see him set a precedent here and cost a man his job.

colm_mcm

Ninap wrote: »

Yes, but pretty rare for a cyclist to exceed 50km, whereas most motorists do it on every single journey. Plus, most cycle lanes aren't suitable for riding in at above about 15km.

But back to the OP, my experience is that most Dublin Bus drivers are pretty ok and respectful towards cyclists; it's taxi drivers and other motorists that are the main problem. I'd like if taxi drivers had to do training on how to overtake cyclists safely before getting their license.

Aren't the quays 30kmph?

Zyzz

Ninap wrote: »

Yes, but pretty rare for a cyclist to exceed 50km, whereas most motorists do it on every single journey. Plus, most cycle lanes aren't suitable for riding in at above about 15km.

But back to the OP, my experience is that most Dublin Bus drivers are pretty ok and respectful towards cyclists; it's taxi drivers and other motorists that are the main problem. I'd like if taxi drivers had to do training on how to overtake cyclists safely before getting their license.

Wrong, cyclists don't have to adhere to speed limits.

I, along with many others also hit 50km+ regularly?

Ninap

Zyzz wrote: »

Wrong, cyclists don't have to adhere to speed limits.

I, along with many others also hit 50km+ regularly?

My mistake - I didn't think the rules of the road distinguished between different road users. Congrats on getting up over 50km..

Zyzz

Ninap wrote: »

My mistake - I didn't think the rules of the road distinguished between different road users. Congrats on getting up over 50km..

No worries, just have a little re-think when you decide to make such a silly and untrue statement next time

irishmotorist

I regularly cycle this route and passing that bus on the left when he should know that he's approaching a bus stop wasn't a smart thing to do. Hopefully he will know for future reference the dangerous situation he put himself in. Cyclists get killed by left turning HGVs and that is the position that he put himself in.

The driver's attitude is wrong but the situation wouldn't have arisen had the cyclist been a bit more safety minded in his approach, IMO.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Disregarding the rights and wrongs of the OP's clip, the rest of Mr Phelan's channel is hilarious and clearly shows he's a menace to all other road users.

I cycle, drive and ride (my motorbike) on his route and I'll be on the look out and a big ol' "Mr Phelan I love your youtube channel but you're a dick" (BMW R1100S & Lapierre Audacio in FDJ colours so watch out for me on youtueb ).

I see he's teamed up with the infamous CycleDub in much of his clips too.

dublinstevie

The bus driver may have dealt with it a bit better but feck me the cyclist is a 1st class bell end

Unknown Soldier

dublinstevie wrote: »

The bus driver may have dealt with it a bit better but feck me the cyclist is a 1st class bell end

To quote a comment on broadsheet...

"Looks like he’s been a bit unlucky and not been knocked down yet."

Be you a driver or cyclist, don't risk it with a vehicle that will mush you to bits.

billie1b

monument wrote: »

Dublin Bus and Luas must be looking for looking for trouble on a constant basis, they have even put cameras all around their buses / trams to capture it!!!

Exactly, the bus footage will show the unedited conversation they had, driver indicated in, cyclist sped up to be a hero, bus drivers noticed him and pulled back out, cyclists makes a song and dance about it to get attention, like all his other biased YouTube trash he puts up. He'll end up under a bus one day and I wont feel sorry for him

Rackstar

Cyclist is a complete muppet going around looking for opportunities to play victim

B.A._Baracus

I would be willing to bet that the cyclist in question is probably reading this thread :pac: :pac: :pac:

Tenzor07

Journal.ie has it now: http://jrnl.ie/1500043f

billie1b

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I would be willing to bet that the cyclist in question is probably reading this thread :pac: :pac: :pac:

F*ck him! :-D he's brave with his camera, I bet without it he's a complete pussy that wouldn't confront a thing without it

Oldlegs

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Journal.ie has it now: http://jrnl.ie/1500043f

Sh!t - just when I thought we had all agreed ...
Driver should have been more aware.
Cyclist = Twat.

Darkglasses

This thread is starting to turn into just plain ranting/name calling. If the discussion is finished, I'll be closing this.

doozerie

billie1b wrote: »

Exactly, the bus footage will show the unedited conversation they had, driver indicated in, cyclist sped up to be a hero, bus drivers noticed him and pulled back out, cyclists makes a song and dance about it to get attention, like all his other biased YouTube trash he puts up. He'll end up under a bus one day and I wont feel sorry for him

The bus pulled in after the cyclist was already alongside it, then indicated once it was well into the cycle lane.

It's not obvious when the bus driver noticed the cyclist, the question is why he didn't see him before he drove his bus into the cycle lane.

The bus did not pull back out.

The cyclist asked the driver why he had pulled in on top of him. No song, no dance, just justifiable exasperation in my opinion.

I've no idea about the cyclist's other YouTube stuff, I don't care to be honest, it has nothing to do with this particular incident.

So other than those factual inaccuracies, and your speculation about the cyclist's motives based on your interpretation of other stuff, your post is filled with solid facts. Quality stuff.

morana

billie1b wrote: »

Exactly, the bus footage will show the unedited conversation they had, driver indicated in, cyclist sped up to be a hero, bus drivers noticed him and pulled back out, cyclists makes a song and dance about it to get attention, like all his other biased YouTube trash he puts up. He'll end up under a bus one day and I wont feel sorry for him

ah sure he will probably leave behind a family maybe some kids but who gives a **** hes a bellend!

Unknown Soldier

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Journal.ie has it now: http://jrnl.ie/1500043f

Without reading that, I'd say that the comments are some muppetfest.

The Journal is pretty much as close as you would get to the toilet on the internet but irish.

They love their click bait though!

Unknown Soldier

Darkglasses wrote: »

This thread is starting to turn into just plain ranting/name calling. If the discussion is finished, I'll be closing this.

You should. these rail crashes are nothing compared to 800 babies in a mass grave tbh.

billie1b

doozerie wrote: »

The bus pulled in after the cyclist was already alongside it, then indicated once it was well into the cycle lane.

It's not obvious when the bus driver noticed the cyclist, the question is why he didn't see him before he drove his bus into the cycle lane.

The bus did not pull back out.

The cyclist asked the driver why he had pulled in on top of him. No song, no dance, just justifiable exasperation in my opinion.

I've no idea about the cyclist's other YouTube stuff, I don't care to be honest, it has nothing to do with this particular incident.

So other than those factual inaccuracies, and your speculation about the cyclist's motives based on your interpretation of other stuff, your post is filled with solid facts. Quality stuff.

Thats your interpretation, I have mine, the bus driver also waves to him to say sorry but 'The Cyclist' still goes at it, utter moron

Tenzor07

Unknown Soldier wrote: »

Without reading that, I'd say that the comments are some muppetfest.
The Journal is pretty much as close as you would get to the toilet on the internet but irish.
They love their click bait though!

Ah but they don't pay Road tax!

Just for the non-Dub's out there, this is the cycle lane in question, a disaster of a road with an accident waiting to happen....the bus stop is just behind where that bin van/truck is parked..

clod71

The bus driver is in the wrong, no discussion about that.
Still if you cycle with a camera stuck on your head and open a youtube page to rant about motorists, you have to go look for troubles so to have material to post your catches...

DirkVoodoo

billie1b wrote: »

Thats your interpretation, I have mine, the bus driver also waves to him to say sorry but 'The Cyclist' still goes at it, utter moron

Interpretation? Watch the video again. Cyclist is passing. THEN bus moves in on top of him. THEN he starts to indicate.

He was preparing to stop the bus and didn't check. He wasn't trying to dodge the other cyclists because they are moving across the lane to the right hand side, and even so a bus shouldn't be trying to duck and dodge around other traffic in town. They are too big and have too many blind spots. And like I said before, why would they be rushing?