Desire to be slim vs desire to eat crap

verywell

Why is it that sometimes our desire to become slim/fitter/healthier etc can be all forgotten when we are faced with chocolate.

I despair that I can feel upset about my body/weight yet in the moment I still choose to eat something that has no nutritional value whatsoever :mad:

LuckyLloyd

Humans have a natural problem sacrificing short term satisfaction / gratification for long term gain. You are not at all odd or unique for having such an issue or weakness.

catallus

Chocolate in moderate amounts won't make you put on weight.

What kind of choccies are you into?

diarmuid05

You might be addicted to sugar???

Some reports say it has a similar affect on the brain as cocaine........

verywell

I hate denying myself anything and I feel I have to do this in order to lose weight. It depresses me so then I eat crap.

Could be 10 biscuits or a large bar of dairy milk. Not everyday but at least twice a week I will eat crap. Sure that could be 1000 calories right there

I seem to gain and lose the same damn lbs over and over and I knnow that this is solely my fault.

Alf Veedersane

You don't have to eat all 10 biscuits in order to not be denying yourself.

Have 2.

What are you eating the rest of the time

Dark chocolate is hard to gorge on and it's nicer anyway

verywell

Breakfast : Peach in pieces, yogurt, spoon of granola, seeds in the morning. Or Eggs and brown bread. Or Eggs, bacon and if really hungry I will add mccambridge bread x 2 to the eggs and bacon.

Lunch is meat and veg. The very odd spud.

Dinner can be the same or an omelette or sandwich.

I will have a yougurt/nuts or banana for a snack.

Sometimes I worry that my fruit breakfast is more sugar and not really substantial and that I am fooling myself

runawaybishop

verywell wrote: »

I hate denying myself anything and I feel I have to do this in order to lose weight. It depresses me so then I eat crap.

Could be 10 biscuits or a large bar of dairy milk. Not everyday but at least twice a week I will eat crap. Sure that could be 1000 calories right there

I seem to gain and lose the same damn lbs over and over and I knnow that this is solely my fault.

Don't have biscuits or large bars of chocolate in the house if you don't have the self control to stick to 1 or 2 pieces. Work a treat into your daily allotment rather than denying yourself completely and then binging madly.

diarmuid05

Sent you a PM

Don't want to trigger another calorie debate

runawaybishop

Ignore any PMs that say wheat is the devil.

conzy

You need to want your goal more than you want the chocolate bar. I was overweight for years, I knew I was, and I knew I had to "do something about it" but I never did anything major and I didn't know how to.

You need to change your attitude, you need to want your goal more than anything else, so that binging on chocolate is no longer tempting, its actually something undesirable as it puts you a step further from your goal.

You see this behavior in the weight watchers / slimming world threads the whole time. People saying they had a "bad week" where they ate 7 frozen pizzas and 10 packets of digestive biscuits and they are disgusted that they are up 2lbs. They are not addicted to food, they want to be slim too but they are just not that fúcking arsed. If you really want your goal and are focused on it you will not fall off the bandwagon for a week of binge eating.

You can lose weight and have chocolate and your favourite foods in moderation, its about control and long term consistency.

TLDR: Focus on your long term goal, want it more than chocolate

runawaybishop

conzy wrote: »

You need to want your goal more than you want the chocolate bar. I was overweight for years, I knew I was, and I knew I had to "do something about it" but I never did anything major and I didn't know how to.

You need to change your attitude, you need to want your goal more than anything else, so that binging on chocolate is no longer tempting, its actually something undesirable as it puts you a step further from your goal.

You see this behavior in the weight watchers / slimming world threads the whole time. People saying they had a "bad week" where they ate 7 frozen pizzas and 10 packets of digestive biscuits and they are disgusted that they are up 2lbs. They are not addicted to food, they want to be slim too but they are just not that fúcking arsed. If you really want your goal and are focused on it you will not fall off the bandwagon for a week of binge eating.

You can lose weight and have chocolate and your favourite foods in moderation, its about control and long term consistency.

TLDR: Focus on your long term goal, want it more than chocolate

Exactly, you often see binge eating because the diet they are on is not sustainable.

verywell

It is the control, I suppose, that I have the issue with. I have 16lbs to lose and to me it seems like the world. Up 2 down 2 and on and on. Knowing all the time that it is myself who is creating the gain and loss!

I get so mad at myself for thinking I want this so bad yet still decide to eat crap. I also think I feel bad even when I eat something that it accounted for.

I expect that is something that I will need to teach myself.

Like it is ok to have a treat if I have allowed for it in my daily calories?

Alf Veedersane

conzy wrote: »

You can lose weight and have chocolate and your favourite foods in moderation, its about control and long term consistency.

Condense the sense into one sentence.


Word to yo' moms. I came to drop bombs, I got more rhymes than the Bible's got songs.

Alf Veedersane

verywell wrote: »

Like it is ok to have a treat if I have allowed for it in my daily calories?

Yes.

gordongekko

Look at your self in a mirror not on a weighing scales.

verywell

Is the fruit ok for breakfast or should I go for the eggs?

Or does it matter?

verywell

gordongekko wrote: »

Look at your self in a mirror not on a weighing scales.

Believe me I am doing that too and at my clothes. The smaller clothes are growing in the wardrobe hence the annoyance at myself.

Alf Veedersane

gordongekko wrote: »

Look at your self in a mirror not on a weighing scales.

From the man who said 'Greed is good'.

gordongekko

Download my fitness pal and put your details into that.

runawaybishop

verywell wrote: »

Like it is ok to have a treat if I have allowed for it in my daily calories?

Absolutely.

I think you need to try and lay off the emotional ups and downs you have with eating and check what your goals are and how best to achieve them. And yes of course you can have sweeter stuff if they fit into your calories if you don't binge on them.

Alf Veedersane

verywell wrote: »

Is the fruit ok for breakfast or should I go for the eggs?

Or does it matter?

It depends on your day's food as a whole.
You mentioned thinking it's not substantial. If you don't feel it's filling enough, then look for an option that is., which could be eggs.

Once you're accounting for everything, it won't matter what you go for that fits within what you need. Within reason.

gordongekko

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

From the man who said 'Greed is good'.

I have a mirror that makes me look skinnier than I am so I can still be greedy :-) .op we all fall off the wagon don't beat yourself up.over it just get back onto the wagon and start again.

Alf Veedersane

bluewolf wrote: »

I think you need to try and lay off the emotional ups and downs you have with eating and check what your goals are and how best to achieve them. And yes of course you can have sweeter stuff if they fit into your calories if you don't binge on them.

^ This.

Stop focussing on the one bad meal/day/week. Look at the bigger picture.

You might have had 6.5 good days but you'll focus on the bad half day.

Flip that around.

Henry94

Here's my plan. I started out with the aim of staying off rubbish for 20 days in a month. Print out a calender and mark every successful day. It allows for the days when you fail without de-railing the whole plan. As it happened I never needed all ten days. The fist month I had five bad days. Since then I've been flying but the target is still 20 days.

It's amazing how quickly sugar cravings go away once you stop taking it. My problem was always the hours between dinner and bed. I grazed away those hours on garbage. Biscuits, sweets crisps etc. I've learned to enjoy coffee and tea (no sugar) without having to eat anything with them. Major breakthrough.

I've just come out of a meeting where someone brought back a big bag of sweets from their holiday. I just didn't take any because I wasn't willing to put a red X on today when I could be putting a green tic. My idea won't suit everybody but if it helped anybody I'd be delighted. Good luck whatever you do.

diarmuid05

Henry94 wrote: »

It's amazing how quickly sugar cravings go away once you stop taking it.

Single most important piece of information anybody in this forum can read....

Alf Veedersane

Henry94 wrote: »

I just didn't take any because I wasn't willing to put a red X on today when I could be putting a green tic.

Gold stars, ftw.

Henry94

If there are cakes in the office or you're offered a chocolate or there's a big bowel of crap at a party, take a picture of it with your phone. If there is a packet of "fun" size bars in the fridge your partner brought home, snap. Put them all together in an album or collage at the end of the month and think of how glad you are that you had none of that garbage. The muffin you resist today will add to your glory on the 31st.

There are marketing people paid very handsomely to make you want all that stuff. Fight back.

2nd Row Donkey

diarmuid05 wrote: »

Single most important piece of information anybody in this forum can read....

true that .. the first 2-3 days coming off sugar are like a junkie going cold turkey but when you get to day 4 the desire/cravings are no longer there.

Boskowski

diarmuid05 wrote: »

You might be addicted to sugar???

Some reports say it has a similar affect on the brain as cocaine........

It's not working for me...

verywell

Henry94 wrote: »

Here's my plan. I started out with the aim of staying off rubbish for 20 days in a month. Print out a calender and mark every successful day. It allows for the days when you fail without de-railing the whole plan. As it happened I never needed all ten days. The fist month I had five bad days. Since then I've been flying but the target is still 20 days.

It's amazing how quickly sugar cravings go away once you stop taking it. My problem was always the hours between dinner and bed. I grazed away those hours on garbage. Biscuits, sweets crisps etc. I've learned to enjoy coffee and tea (no sugar) without having to eat anything with them. Major breakthrough.

I've just come out of a meeting where someone brought back a big bag of sweets from their holiday. I just didn't take any because I wasn't willing to put a red X on today when I could be putting a green tic. My idea won't suit everybody but if it helped anybody I'd be delighted. Good luck whatever you do.

That is a great idea! I can be quite competitive too so I love this idea.

My problem is also this time too. Watching tv and wanting a treat :rolleyes:

I started the 30day shred too and each day that I complete it I mark in on my calendar. Well 3 calendars in fact So I could make one of them for sweets.

verywell

verywell wrote: »

My problem is also this time too. Watching tv and wanting a treat :rolleyes:
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I think once you recognise that a lot of it is habit that you need to break, you'll be doing well with that also
Maybe have plain tea or do something else or just force yourself to get used to watching it without having something

2nd Row Donkey

There's also the odd trick you can try..

.. I find I get a craving for sugar around bed time, so I get me some sweet sugar of the missus but rather than eating biscuits, chocolate, cornflakes heaped with sugar, I always make sure I have a few juicy grapes in the fridge .. they contain natural sugars of course but they always do the trick and 5-10 mins later I'm out cold asleep.

Brushing your teeth .. thats another one I use now and again. Seems to quell the cravings for a while for me anyway.

Instead of drinking regular tea or coffee and thus the habit for a biscuit, try green tea, herbal tea etc ... hard to imagine dunking your biscuit into one of those, hence you break the habit.

verywell

I suppose really it is learning a new way of thinking.

I just get so fed up of it all that I rebel (against myself :rolleyes:) and head to the shop and munch away.

Then the cycle starts all over again

2nd Row Donkey

I always equate the piece of chocolate to the exercise/effort involved in burning off the same calories

For example, a simple 2-finger kit-kat .. tasty little buggers, who eats just one of them right? I always have 2 or 3.
Well each one is 102 calories.. or for me, that's 5 mins flat out on the treadmill.
So if I eat 2 of them, that 10 mins on the treadmill just to breakeven. Then I ask myself if its worth out, and usually it is not.

verywell

Thanks all for your input. It is much appreciated.

loubian

This is my hardest battle

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professore

runawaybishop wrote: »

Ignore any PMs that say wheat is the devil.

My wife and daughter are both coeliac and this "fashionable" gluten free diet drives them both mad. All they want is to be able to eat wheat without getting violent diarrhoea / stomach cramps / joint pains / severe fatigue. My other daughter and I can eat anything we want.

Bruno26

verywell wrote: »

Why is it that sometimes our desire to become slim/fitter/healthier etc can be all forgotten when we are faced with chocolate.

I despair that I can feel upset about my body/weight yet in the moment I still choose to eat something that has no nutritional value whatsoever :mad:

Remove sugar and grains from your diet and eventually you won't crave any foods. Treat yourself to dark choc - 70% or even better 85%. The stronger the % the harder it is to overeat it.

verywell

Bruno26 wrote: »

Remove sugar and grains from your diet and eventually you won't crave any foods. Treat yourself to dark choc - 70% or even better 85%. The stronger the % the harder it is to overeat it.

I can understand wanting to remove sugar, but why the need to remove all grains

Blacktie.

verywell wrote: »

I can understand wanting to remove sugar, but why the need to remove all grains

Don't get him started. Honestly just check his post history if you want his opinion on grains. Every thread has been derailed on this discussion on grains, carbs and fat.

diarmuid05

Only advice I can give without starting a debate is to do some research yourself on wheat/grains and see what conclusion you come to.

Bruno26

Blacktie. wrote: »

Don't get him started. Honestly just check his post history if you want his opinion on grains. Every thread has been derailed on this discussion on grains, carbs and fat.

The op feels upset about body weight . They crave sugar. The only sustainable long term way to stop this is by removing sugar and grain and therefore following a paleo / hflc lifestyle. The cravings will stop and they will become slim.

Alf Veedersane

Bruno26 wrote: »

The op feels upset about body weight . They crave sugar. The only sustainable long term way to stop this is by removing sugar and grain and therefore following a paleo / hflc lifestyle. The cravings will stop and they will become slim.

What happened to "I did this and it worked for me"?

Now it's the only way to go?

On second thoughts, let's not derail another thread.

Bruno26

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

What happened to "I did this and it worked for me"?

Now it's the only way to go?

On second thoughts, let's not derail another thread.

It will work for everyone- apparently you can't say that HERE though!

nice_guy80

Self control and motivation?
As important as heading out to exercise.

Alf Veedersane

Bruno26 wrote: »

It will work for everyone- apparently you can't say that HERE though!

You must feel like Jesus did, way back when.

Minus the pain of crucifixion obvz.