NZ v ENG, Sat 7 June, 0835

.ak

Tuilagi is having a great game, especially in the 2nd quarter.

Taco Corp

ThisRegard wrote: »

Did you miss the last time the two sides met?

still lost

Buer

ThisRegard wrote: »

Did you miss the last time the two sides met?

Those performances are few and far between and, despite the scoreline, our mental fragility cost us the game again.

Generally they beat us handily and the result is a foregone conclusion.

razorblunt

Ha for all of Sky's fancy gadgets you can't beat a good whiteboard and coloured pens!

Tox56

ThisRegard wrote: »

Did you miss the last time the two sides met?

What game? I remember no game

Buer

razorblunt wrote: »

I've said it before but Parling is incredible, he looks no more intimidating than a club second row, but his technique and intelligence push him onto a different level.

He's a very underrated player. He was the best lock in Australia last summer. Extremely athletic, great jumper and works his arse off.

Swiwi.

It's an interesting experience being on an Irish forum rooting for England...

An absorbing first half and as expected a very good English performance. Burns has been just fine. Brown pretty immaculate at the back.

From a NZ point of view I am not happy with Cruden. He is no Carter...and he is no Barrett. Beauden on please. Kaino is also really a specialist 6, so I would bring Vito on at 8, and toss a coin for which of Messam and Kaino goes off. Vito is also excellent in the line out.

Bit more aggression from the NZ forwards, better control from 1st five, and play a bit faster & wider.

Nige is missing a lot off the ball...from both sides.

ThisRegard

Captain_Hindsight wrote: »

still lost

That we did, but there was no fear of a black jersey.

Tox56

Swiwi. wrote: »

From a NZ point of view I am not happy with Cruden. He is no Carter...and he is no Barrett. Beauden on please.

He's a lot looser than Cruden from what Ive seen on him. The temptation will be there to bring him on and it might work, but if things aren't going your way and England are getting in your face he might be a risk

.ak

ThisRegard wrote: »

Did you miss the last time the two sides met?

Maybe not 'whenever' but I shudder to think of our last tour. Schmidts team produced a fairly unique match in autumn. A massive pity we didn't shake that monkey off our back but if Schmidt call install a winning mentality we'll be halfway there.

Back to the game, both sides look a little rusty but oddly enough England look the more likely to score. I still don't know what that DG was all about.

Taco Corp

ThisRegard wrote: »

That we did, but there was no fear of a black jersey.

there was fear of something in the last few mins imo. but it might have been the game that 'fixes' the mindset for future games

.ak

NZ missing Read as well I think.

Swiwi.

Tox56 wrote: »

He's a lot looser than Cruden from what Ive seen on him. The temptation will be there to bring him on and it might work, but if things aren't going your way and England are getting in your face he might be a risk

Cruden has been pedestrian in recent weeks. He's a good fly half, don't get me wrong, but returning from injury. Barrett just makes everything look effortless. NZ really need to up the tempo, a battle in the trenches will suit England to a T.

rrpc

.ak wrote: »

Maybe not 'whenever' but I shudder to think of our last tour. Schmidts team produced a fairly unique match in autumn. A massive pity we didn't shake that monkey off our back but if Schmidt call install a winning mentality we'll be halfway there.

Back to the game, both sides look a little rusty but oddly enough England look the more likely to score. I still don't know what that DG was all about.

Being level at half time is not a good position against BNZ. They always dominate the last quarter and England would need to have a solid two score buffer to weather the storm.

matthew8

That was not smart by Dane Coles.

Buer

Good call after a great kick. NZ's brashness is now bordering on stupidity.

Great kick from Smith.

May is a nothing player at this level.

Davei141

Watching Jonny May chase a kick i do wonder if he ever bothers to actually look where the ball is. That is a few times he has been nowhere near the kick.

Swiwi.

Brainless from Coles there. Coach killer

razorblunt

Well spotted by Owens, Yarde was taken earlier in a similar incident and not came of it.

razorblunt

Davei141 wrote: »

Watching Jonny May chase a kick i do wonder if he ever bothers to actually look where the ball is. That is a few times he has been nowhere near the kick.

There's times where he's reminiscent of the new fast kid at underage who is all excited but not a clue what he's actually doing.

ThisRegard

Captain_Hindsight wrote: »

there was fear of something in the last few mins imo. but it might have been the game that 'fixes' the mindset for future games

I'm not disagreeing that they allowed themselves to lose the game, just disagreeing with the poster that said they were intimidated by the black jersey.

As you say, hopefully that's that monkey thrown off their back now.

Tox56

Well this is more what I tuned in for

awec

Cruden has been terrible.

Buer

Why the hell did Youngs step away from that ruck and let a forward pass it?

Two missed penalties there. Parling pulled down in the air and then an England player straight in the side at the ruck.

Davei141

Are you taking the piss now Owens? Awful call it went a mile back.

Buer

It hit the hand but going backwards is irrelevant?

What is Owens on about?

ThisRegard

Just as he went for it I was thinking he should leave it, bit harsh though.

Buer

Is it lashing there and I just can't see the rain on my stream?

Swiwi.

What goes back but goes forward and goes forward but goes back?

ThisRegard

Looks dry to me.

danthefan

Ahhh Nige. Under no circumstances was that a knock on. Thankfully NZ messed it up but if they had have scored there...

awec

Buer wrote: »

Is it lashing there and I just can't see the rain on my stream?

No rain at all.

Buer

Unreal number of handling errors so!

It's an entertaining game but, truth be told, it's very poor quality!

awec

How do teams end up getting caught with the wrong number in the lineout?

That'd infuriate me if I was a coach. Can they not count?

Swiwi.

Barrett for dagg

Cruden lives on...

matthew8

That was such a chance for Kaino!

danthefan

Something very wrong with how England were set up in defence there.

Buer

Where the hell was Mike Brown?!

Grimebox

Yarde just booted him!! Not a mention of it!

Tox56

danthefan wrote: »

Something very wrong with how England were set up in defence there.

Their wingers are all over the place, acres of space behind

TheGlass

What is Owens at? Some dodgy decisions, and not the first time reffing NZ either. Both games against Ireland he made wrong calls which decided the match

Taco Corp

that was class from Morgan

danthefan

Tox56 wrote: »

Their wingers are all over the place, acres of space behind

But it was like Yarde was expecting Browne to be covering in behind.

That was just outstanding by Ben Morgan.

.ak

Barnes moaning about Owens all day but then stays quiet when yarde clearly takes his man out. :rolleyes:

.ak

Welcome to the game Eastmon

.ak

.ak wrote: »

Barnes moaning about Owens all day but then stays quiet when yarde clearly takes his man out. :rolleyes:

I dunno, I think it was either brilliantly cynical or he just missed the ball.

Some game.

Buer

Some passage of play. England lack composure and are missing Care hugely.

Swiwi.

Wilson! That guy can't catch. Luckily. Nice back play from England.

.ak

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I dunno, I think it was either brilliantly cynical or he just missed the ball.

Some game.

Nah he blatantly used his leg to take him out, nowhere near the ball. Yc for me.

Tox56

.ak wrote: »

Barnes moaning about Owens all day but then stays quiet when yarde clearly takes his man out. :rolleyes:

I don't know if it was intentional but the near side prop for England was scrummaging at right angles for that 5m scrum. It opened up the space for Morgan though so maybe it was intentional