Door to door sellers, are they getting more frequent

Remmy

I don't get the point of being a cnut to people who don't warrant it. If they call I let them do their spiel, smile then say no thank you and close the door. It will take at the most 2 mins to do this.

B.A._Baracus

I would say they are. Like, there was always cold callers but there is definitely more now than say 3 years ago. Sky and Vodafone are terrible for it in my area.

Actually, I had the SAME person from Vodafone knock twice in one day.

Richard Hillman

Riamfada wrote: »

Don't be rude, just people trying to make a living.

Rude is calling to your door unannounced.

corks finest

TireeTerror wrote: »

So wrong. I would typically start knocking on doors, or training people to do it, around 6pm and by 8:30 I will usually have earned between €150-300.

To me that isn't hard up for work, its a professional career choice where I have more spare time to do what I want than any other person I know and I can take time off whenever I like. Its also a great way to meet people and have a great laugh. Many people have grey lives, with very little difference in their daily routine, slaving like ants for corporations and paying exorbitant amounts of tax to the state. When a ray of sunshine such as myself faces them at the door, it provides many with an unexpected boost and the vast majority of people are really inviting, offering cups of tea and biscuits etc etc, posters on boards are not typical of the experience I have here in Ireland at all.

hope to God yure not near carrigaline co cork,as id be one of those grey life ppl you mentioned,i normally deal with unwanted ppl at my door by a loud,firm ,no tnx,dont call again,,,,no money

B.A._Baracus

Riamfada wrote: »

Don't be rude, just people trying to make a living.

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Rude is calling to your door unannounced.

The way I see it is that if one of them knocks on your door. Then you have no obligation to open the door. You mightn't be in the mood, you know they are looking for money and it's your house.

However if someone knocks on your door. It does not give you an automatic right to be rude and insulting to them.

FunLover18

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Although, One evening a young lady knocked on my door, her first line was "Don't worry, I'm not trying to sell you anything" She was right in fairness but she then proceeded to try and sign me up for a charity.

Classic "icebreaker". I was a door to door chugger and we're told to use ice breakers like this to lighten the mood. One lad thought it would be a laugh to pretend to be TV licence inspector. Didn't end well

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Actually, I had the SAME person from Vodafone knock twice in one day.

Been there, done that. Very embarrassing.

rubadub

No doorbell = no cunts bothering you, who are essentially stealing your free time.

Remmy wrote: »

I don't get the point of being a cnut to people who don't warrant it.

Many think they do warrant it, they believe its highly intrusive. I would like to see it made illegal as its a perfect alibi for burglars checking out houses. If people saw the neighbours dog shitting on their garden they do not politely ask it to leave, they shout at it to hope it at least understands it is doing something they find objectionable. The last think some people want to do is encourage this job/practise, and really want it to be clear that its an objectionable job, and not for them to be recommending friends to take it up too.

Some billionaire prick could create a job employing people to eat beans and go about town farting all day, carrying blackboards which they grate their nails on. These 'employees' would be annoying the hell out of all the people they encounter and having the similar laughable excuse "I'm just doing my job", yes you are and you are an utter bastard for taking up such employment, knowing fine well the irritation you cause.

Seve OB

newkie wrote: »

Maybe it seems that way after all the political canvassing.

You could be a prick and get one of these signs: http://www.ebay.ie/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=no+cold+calls&_sop=15

I ordered two, but then I'm a big prick.

I'm gonna buy a load of them things and sell them door to door

Wibbs

I already have a sign up in plain view. Sod off coldcallers or more polite words to that effect. I got a real pain in my arse with these spammers calling on a near daily basis. Vodafone, eircom phonewatch(an utter scam IMH), airtricity were about the worst and another scam. I let my dog answer the door to one repeat offender gobshíte who appeared to not understand the word no. This particular piece of work tried to scam my own mother who suffers from dementia, so not happy was I(before the bleeding hearts chime in there was a glass porch door between the gobshíte and angry hairy fanged death. This disappointed the hound no end). He didn't return, but others did, hence I put up a sign a couple of years ago.

The religious types stopped entirely and fair play. It seems they can read and are much less pushy than your airtricity types. However even with that the salesman muppets still call the odd time. Only last weekend I had one amadan knock on my door at 5 PM on a Sunday on a bank holiday weekend. WTF? This particular moron apparently couldn't read and also couldn't figure out why I didn't want to hear his BS spiel of a weekend. I was not polite in my response.

I neither need nor want to hear about your crappy service being pushed in my face or over the phone. If I want a service or goods I'll make my own mind up thanks so bog off please and thank you.

*EDIT*

TireeTerror wrote: »

I would totally ignore that sign, in fact if I seen it it tells me that you probably are unlikely to be aware of the latest offerings in the markets as most will have avoided you. That sign is like an open invitation, plus it lets me know the type of person you are likely to be and I will adjust my pitch accordingly and I guarantee you that I would switch you to whatever I was offering. People with signs like this are the easiest people to switch. Usually they are not the pricks they think they are, but in actual fact they have a good sense of humour and therefore its easier to get a bit of banter going and then when they like you, they switch anyway.

Please, please come to my door. When faced with the BS of the door to door salesman who has decided to ignore my clear instruction therefore marking them out as a thundering prick, I will respond with far more in kind and would be only too happy to demonstrate this to any who want to disturb me and mine in my own home after they've been asked not to.

Lucy and Harry

That is what guard dogs and shot guns are for.Chasing peasants off the lawn and what not

Anonamoose

I just close the door after politely saying no thank you.
No point wasting their time or mine.

Lucy and Harry

Just don't open the door.The last time I did a traveller guy with a broken nose and dirty finger nails was standing there trying to sell me knives he claimed were worth 200 euro.He started out saying how much will you give me for these they are worth 200.Even after I closed the door he was still shouting out well 5 euro.Give me something.

I would also advise old people not to open the door to strangers.

TireeTerror

Wibbs wrote: »

I already have a sign up in plain view. Sod off coldcallers or more polite words to that effect. I got a real pain in my arse with these spammers calling on a near daily basis. Vodafone, eircom phonewatch(an utter scam IMH), airtricity were about the worst and another scam. I let my dog answer the door to one repeat offender gobshíte who appeared to not understand the word no. This particular piece of work tried to scam my own mother who suffers from dementia, so not happy was I(before the bleeding hearts chime in there was a glass porch door between the gobshíte and angry hairy fanged death. This disappointed the hound no end). He didn't return, but others did, hence I put up a sign a couple of years ago.

The religious types stopped entirely and fair play. It seems they can read and are much less pushy than your airtricity types. However even with that the salesman muppets still call the odd time. Only last weekend I had one amadan knock on my door at 5 PM on a Sunday on a bank holiday weekend. WTF? This particular moron apparently couldn't read and also couldn't figure out why I didn't want to hear his BS spiel of a weekend. I was not polite in my response.

I neither need nor want to hear about your crappy service being pushed in my face or over the phone. If I want a service or goods I'll make my own mind up thanks so bog off please and thank you.

*EDIT*

Please, please come to my door. When faced with the BS of the door to door salesman who has decided to ignore my clear instruction therefore marking them out as a thundering prick, I will respond with far more in kind and would be only too happy to demonstrate this to any who want to disturb me and mine in my own home after they've been asked not to.

Yeah Ive met your type before, spouting all the hardman talk on the internet, the typical keyboard warrior. In reality usually the louder people shout online, the more timid they are in real life. Usually they are victims of a poor childhood, bullying at school etc etc, so ranting on forums online is a way for them to feel more manly.

The mere fact you think all of these companies are scamming you just says it all, closed mind and not able to see a better offer when its staring you in the face. If you feel so desperate as you sound, perhaps you should ask the companies concerned to add you to their "Do Not Call" register and your address will be removed from the handheld devices most modern salesforces use.

15 years knocking on doors and I can assure you I have met every single type of person and its extremely rare that anyone is overly aggressive, its not easy to be aggressive to someone who is charming and good looking and well presented and knows their product inside out. In fact several timers per day as I'm acquiring the customers bank details, they would say "You know I dont normally ever do this, switch at the door, I dont even know why I am now....." and I just smile and tell them "I get that all the time!".

Regardless of what anyone posts up here, most people love a bit of charm, especially in Ireland where its seriously lacking in general day to day exchanges. I have never met so many moody and depressed people serving me in shops than I have in Ireland, its quite frankly unbelievable considering employers have a huge choice given the unemployment levels at present. The other day a woman from Nigeria I think, served me at my local Aldi and she was bursting with enthusiasm, scanning items at 1000 miles per hour, chatting away, joking and laughing, it was a great thing to see. When I looked up from putting my pin number in the card machine, I could see all the people in the queue behind me smiling at the way she was behaving. Posting this reminds me that I promised myself that I would email Aldi to let them know how great a job she was doing.

Joe prim

I'm a bit of a mug for cold callers, in the last year or so I've signed up for the Mormons, Airtricity, Sky Broadband, The Russian Free Clothes Association and The Jehovah's Witnesses. I now have very good broadband, and cheap electricity, but my eight wives are eating me out of house and home, and if I ever need a blood transfusion, I'm fcuked.

Lucy and Harry

as I'm acquiring the customers bank details, they would say "You know I dont normally ever do this, switch at the door, I dont even know why I am now....." and I just smile and tell them "I get that all the time!".

What is your product that you ask people for bank details at their door?I do not care if you are sexy and attractive I would find it hard to hand over details like that lol

TireeTerror

Nearly every single product or service you sign up for requires payment by Direct Debit. I am not going to talk about what specific companies I represent, they do not like agents posting on social media and its usually written into contracts stating no posts online or the contract will be terminated.

Its rarely a big deal giving bank details, especially if the representative is wearing a full uniform, has ID which can be verified and is not a total scumbag. People are very good at reading people, so usually after chatting for a while people will learn to trust you and realise providing bank details is no big deal. If you think about it, its a much bigger risk using your credit or debit card at a handheld terminal in a shop, that card number would allow someone to buy things online etc, a sortcode and account number, or IBAN and BIC will not allow that as you don't use them for purchasing goods online.

corks finest

Wibbs wrote: »

I already have a sign up in plain view. Sod off coldcallers or more polite words to that effect. I got a real pain in my arse with these spammers calling on a near daily basis. Vodafone, eircom phonewatch(an utter scam IMH), airtricity were about the worst and another scam. I let my dog answer the door to one repeat offender gobshíte who appeared to not understand the word no. This particular piece of work tried to scam my own mother who suffers from dementia, so not happy was I(before the bleeding hearts chime in there was a glass porch door between the gobshíte and angry hairy fanged death. This disappointed the hound no end). He didn't return, but others did, hence I put up a sign a couple of years ago.

The religious types stopped entirely and fair play. It seems they can read and are much less pushy than your airtricity types. However even with that the salesman muppets still call the odd time. Only last weekend I had one amadan knock on my door at 5 PM on a Sunday on a bank holiday weekend. WTF? This particular moron apparently couldn't read and also couldn't figure out why I didn't want to hear his BS spiel of a weekend. I was not polite in my response.

I neither need nor want to hear about your crappy service being pushed in my face or over the phone. If I want a service or goods I'll make my own mind up thanks so bog off please and thank you.

*EDIT*

Please, please come to my door. When faced with the BS of the door to door salesman who has decided to ignore my clear instruction therefore marking them out as a thundering prick, I will respond with far more in kind and would be only too happy to demonstrate this to any who want to disturb me and mine in my own home after they've been asked not to.

agree 100 per cent with you

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

@TireeTerror, do you find females way easier to convert than males? I knew a few lads who did this and they basically ignored males and concentrated on the housewives. No good porno-style stories from them though!

Wibbs

TireeTerror wrote: »

Yeah Ive met your type before, spouting all the hardman talk on the internet, the typical keyboard warrior. In reality usually the louder people shout online, the more timid they are in real life. Usually they are victims of a poor childhood, bullying at school etc etc, so ranting on forums online is a way for them to feel more manly.

Nope, sorry. No bullying, great childhood and all that. What I'd say to you here I'd say to your face no bother at all. Indeed if anything Boards.ie's rules of conduct render me nicer on here and made me a nicer human being. *bats eyelids and points at dimples*. Well nicer online anyway. In the real world I avoid conflict and generally don't respond to eejits, but if they're uninvited and pushy while feeding me rehearsed BS... Let's just say I have zero loyalty to social codes of staying quiet and will tell them to bugger off.

The mere fact you think all of these companies are scamming you just says it all, closed mind and not able to see a better offer when its staring you in the face.

Bollocks. Airtricity has a well known air of ballsology with their third part door to door reps and their parent company was fined millions for misleading people. Eircom phonewatch in reality is about as much use as tits on a bull. Too easily bypassed and even if it's not you're relying on the Guards to show up in time(after the delay in informing them). That's just for starters. There's no such thing as a free lunch folks. If something needs on the doorstep pressured selling that should tell you something of the quality involved.

If you feel so desperate as you sound, perhaps you should ask the companies concerned to add you to their "Do Not Call" register and your address will be removed from the handheld devices most modern salesforces use.

Already have. Only reduced the infestation on my time.

15 years knocking on doors and I can assure you I have met every single type of person and its extremely rare that anyone is overly aggressive, its not easy to be aggressive to someone who is charming and good looking and well presented and knows their product inside out.

Oh man I'm lolling here. :pac: The mind of the salesman. I suppose if one falls so easily for delusions it can be easy to force same on others. Actually I have found that to be the case. The best salesmen I know fall much more easily for others sales tactics. A close mate of mine makes mid six figures a year in high end sales and he'd be the first to admit a certain weakness in his choices when faced with other good sales types. You'd think it would give you more insight, but apparently not. He reckons it's the thrill of the sale itself, regardless of which side you're on, so a sales type gets a bigger buzz than a civilian. I'd agree with him.

In fact several timers per day as I'm acquiring the customers bank details, they would say "You know I dont normally ever do this, switch at the door, I dont even know why I am now....." and I just smile and tell them "I get that all the time!".

You sound like a religious nut at this stage. Or an Amway rep or some other pyramid schemer who bought the self help and sales and how to win friends and influence people books. Keep drinking that Kool aid. Whatever floats your boat and all that.

Its rarely a big deal giving bank details, especially if the representative is wearing a full uniform, has ID which can be verified and is not a total scumbag.

Oh man, this keeps getting better.

People are very good at reading people,

Actually people are generally appalling at reading other people. Hence they fall for BS on a near daily basis. Sales of the hard sell type rely on this. From snakeoil salesmen to vaccum salesmen to car dealers. That's before we get to advertising.

If you think about it, its a much bigger risk using your credit or debit card at a handheld terminal in a shop, that card number would allow someone to buy things online etc, a sortcode and account number, or IBAN and BIC will not allow that as you don't use them for purchasing goods online.

Or god forbid do your own research on utilities and services without singing up to a contract on the spur of the moment while giving some uninvited gimp you've just met your bank details.

Basically door to door hawkers of all hues are human spam. Irritating, uninvited and can be dodgy. I've a spam filter for my email so why not for my life?

mikeym

I wish I could build a big wall around my house so that no annoying people call.

I get children calling to my door every month looking for sponsorship money and their the same kids all the time.

I get charity collectors calling once every 3 weeks if I signed up to all of them that called id have no money to look after myself or pay any bills.

From time to time I get other sales people that call but they dont bug me because they dont come often.

Its come to a point were I hate answering the door to anyone that calls.

looking_around

TireeTerror wrote: »

Dealer? I have been cold calling since 2001. Love it.

I hate people like you.:mad:

Greenmachine

I don't answer my door.

TireeTerror

Wibbs wrote: »

Nope, sorry. No bullying, great childhood and all that. What I'd say to you here I'd say to your face no bother at all. Indeed if anything Boards.ie's rules of conduct render me nicer on here and made me a nicer human being. *bats eyelids and points at dimples*. Well nicer online anyway. In the real world I avoid conflict and generally don't respond to eejits, but if they're uninvited and pushy while feeding me rehearsed BS... Let's just say I have zero loyalty to social codes of staying quiet and will tell them to bugger off.

Bollocks. Airtricity has a well known air of ballsology with their third part door to door reps and their parent company was fined millions for misleading people. Eircom phonewatch in reality is about as much use as tits on a bull. Too easily bypassed and even if it's not you're relying on the Guards to show up in time(after the delay in informing them). That's just for starters. There's no such thing as a free lunch folks. If something needs on the doorstep pressured selling that should tell you something of the quality involved.
Already have. Only reduced the infestation on my time.

Oh man I'm lolling here. :pac: The mind of the salesman. I suppose if one falls so easily for delusions it can be easy to force same on others. Actually I have found that to be the case. The best salesmen I know fall much more easily for others sales tactics. A close mate of mine makes mid six figures a year in high end sales and he'd be the first to admit a certain weakness in his choices when faced with other good sales types. You'd think it would give you more insight, but apparently not. He reckons it's the thrill of the sale itself, regardless of which side you're on, so a sales type gets a bigger buzz than a civilian. I'd agree with him. You sound like a religious nut at this stage. Or an Amway rep or some other pyramid schemer who bought the self help and sales and how to win friends and influence people books. Keep drinking that Kool aid. Whatever floats your boat and all that.

Oh man, this keeps getting better. Actually people are generally appalling at reading other people. Hence they fall for BS on a near daily basis. Sales of the hard sell type rely on this. From snakeoil salesmen to vaccum salesmen to car dealers. That's before we get to advertising.

Or god forbid do your own research on utilities and services without singing up to a contract on the spur of the moment while giving some uninvited gimp you've just met your bank details.

Basically door to door hawkers of all hues are human spam. Irritating, uninvited and can be dodgy. I've a spam filter for my email so why not for my life?

I'm rubbish with the multi quote feature, so Im not even going to try!

Some of your points have basis, but they are overshadowed by some of the abusive ways you describe people out trying to make a living. Ive a very thick skin, I would have to in order to succeed at direct sales so Im not bothered personally, but calling people gimps etc is more a reflection upon yourself than the sales person. I suppose you would rather all salesman were sacked and they joined the dole queue and claimed off the state instead of doing what many consider to be a very difficult job in order to make their way in life.

I believe very strongly in what I do, if I didn't believe in it how on earth could I expect others to also believe in it?

I think you have not had someone like me come to your door, because as you know, most sales reps are only there for a very short period of time and they may not be fully informed of everything, or not confident enough or experienced enough to know how to handle people who are objectionable when they first open the door. BTW, the people who are rude when they first open the door, are usually much easier to change over. I have always found that to be true regardless of what product I have been offering.

TireeTerror

looking_around wrote: »

I hate people like you.:mad:

Spread the love. Have a hug.

Donkey Oaty

Anyone ever seen the movie "Glengarry Glen Ross"?

I'm wondering which character from that TireeTerror most resembles.

looking_around

TireeTerror wrote: »

Spread the love. Have a hug.

feck that

~hugs my 'no cold calling' sign ~

You just be glad that I don't keep you standing there for 30-40min and waste your time.

TireeTerror

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Anyone ever seen the movie "Glengarry Glen Ross"?

I'm wondering which character from that TireeTerror most resembles.

Im Pacino, always closing!

Donkey Oaty

TireeTerror wrote: »

Im Pacino, always closing!

The movie is superb, no question about that - but what do salesman like yourself think of how your profession is portrayed?

Admittedly they are selling tracts of worthless swampland, and I'm sure your products are excellent in every respect, but are there large elements of truth in the kind of self-delusion that goes on?

Wibbs

TireeTerror wrote: »

Some of your points have basis, but they are overshadowed by some of the abusive ways you describe people out trying to make a living. Ive a very thick skin, I would have to in order to succeed at direct sales so Im not bothered personally,

I believe ya, thousands wouldn't.

but calling people gimps etc is more a reflection upon yourself than the sales person.

Cold calling people in their homes is at best irritating at worst parasitic. BTW the "reflection on yourself" response is a tad banal and means little. Popular among your Dale Carnegie converts mind you.

I suppose you would rather all salesman were sacked and they joined the dole queue and claimed off the state instead of doing what many consider to be a very difficult job in order to make their way in life.

1) I never suggested the dole queue, so that's another dead end. 2) why pray tell is cold calling a "very difficult job"? Maybe because you're intruding on people and they don't want whatever you're selling and it's only by BS that they buy into it?

I think you have not had someone like me come to your door,

In my time I have dealt with many many sales people, from the invited(fine) to the uninvited(not fine). From scammers, to pyramid scheme idiots, to time share hawkers on various holidays, to utility hawkers all the way up to luxury goods types. I'm quite sure I've met your equal and most likely your better. The plain fact is I know what I want before I set foot in a shop or any sales environment. I've already done my research and a lot of it. In the vast majority of cases I know more about what I want than the salesperson. Generally the only need I have of the sales staff is to inform me if the item(s) I want are in stock and to point me to the till or office.

Handy hint for the folks out there, if you're in the market for an item of any kind, seek out the counsel of a chap or chappess who repairs them for a living. EG you want to buy a secondhand car? Ask a mechanic for the best and most reliable bet for your needs. Goes for pretty much everything, cars, IT gear, homeware. They'll give you far better advice than any sales type. They're not trying to sell you anything so are a good source of info.

In any event, you or any other of your particular ilk would be on the back foot the very second you ring my doorbell uninvited. Game over. There is nothing of your spiel that would interest me. As I said if you need to pimp a service by cold calling, it is by near definition in need of pimping.

BTW, the people who are rude when they first open the door, are usually much easier to change over. I have always found that to be true regardless of what product I have been offering.

You keep telling yourself and your trainees that. I just quite simply have no interest in engaging with someone I have not chosen to engage with when they invade my private time and space. I wouldn't be rude either unless said timesink didn't take a clear and polite no for an answer. I would say I've gone up a notch with salespeople only a handful of times in my life*, but I had no difficulty doing so and wouldn't hesitate again in such circumstances.



*other than the moron who showed up last weekend on a Sunday at dinner time, the last time was a few years back with an airtricity gimp. He was training in someone, so I was faced with him and a woman who I could see was uncomfortable. I told him politely I wasn't interested. That was at 4 PM. At 7 PM this fcukwit called again. Clearly thinking his smiley spiel would triumph. After all he bought the books and tapes and wanted to impress his young charge. That's when I became "impolite" and suggested he perform coitus on himself and go away. The word is NO Ted, learn its meaning.

madalig12

Had someone collecting DD for Concerns monthly large CEO paycheck. He asked me my name and was told 'Mr. Notinterested' he of course continued his speel well past the 'i dont do direct debit' part and he even threw in that signing up gives me a say in other countries policys for example concern stopped child workers being exploited in Bangladesh....RIGHT. Anyways he eventually gave up.