****Leaving Certificate: Higher Level Maths Discussion****

d1234

nunchuks wrote: »

I thought i just screwed it up myself at first but now I'm certain that i blame the sec. I'm a repeat student and i worked more or less entirely from the sample papers they published and they were ****ing useless. I'm going to ****ing fail maths now, i was concentrating on paper 1 because it was my weaker paper last year but i failed it today mainly because the department published bull**** samples. I don't even know what I'm going to do now, ****ing year of my life down the drain. I won't even get the pass now and won't be able to get any of the courses I picked due to the maths requirement. ****ing bull****, how hard is it to include optional questions?

As a student I totally agree with you re: optional questions. I tried lobbying the SEC and NCCA about this and didn't get very far. I would ask everyone to send the SEC an e-mail expressing your dissatisfaction about this.

peanut.lover22

d1234 wrote: »

As a student I totally agree with you re: optional questions. I tried lobbying the SEC and NCCA about this and didn't get very far. I would ask everyone to send the SEC an e-mail expressing your dissatisfaction about this.

I agree completely. My teacher said our best bet of getting a good mark in honours maths was to study the sample papers and keep practicing them. That's what I did and now I feel the same, like I might have failed paper 1 because it was completely different from the sample papers!!!

robman60

peanut.lover22 wrote: »

I agree completely. My teacher said our best bet of getting a good mark in honours maths was to study the sample papers and keep practicing them. That's what I did and now I feel the same, like I might have failed paper 1 because it was completely different from the sample papers!!!

Exactly. Papers alone don't seem to be enough. For Paper two I'll be reverting back to the book as at least it should cover everything.

Peter Flynt

d1234 wrote: »

As a student I totally agree with you re: optional questions. I tried lobbying the SEC and NCCA about this and didn't get very far. I would ask everyone to send the SEC an e-mail expressing your dissatisfaction about this.

The logic behind optional questions is that weaker students choose the wrong questions.

When everyone has the do the same questions then the examination is fairer

peanut.lover22

For paper 2, does anyone have a list of all the constructions and the proofs/theorems we have to know? Would be much appreciated!

MegGustaa

peanut.lover22 wrote: »

I agree completely. My teacher said our best bet of getting a good mark in honours maths was to study the sample papers and keep practicing them. That's what I did and now I feel the same, like I might have failed paper 1 because it was completely different from the sample papers!!!

The sample papers were never supposed to be a guide for study. They were published to give teachers and students a familiarity with the layout of the papers and an idea as to the general way certain topics might be asked. Given the breadth of the course and the emphasis on developing mathematical skills rather than learning off methods, you cannot expect the paper you sit to be a carbon copy of a sample issued.

That being said, I did actually think yesterday's paper was very much in line with the 2014 Sample Paper 1.

Sample Section A: Complex Numbers, Induction, Cubic Functions, Simultaneous Equations/Modulus Inequalities, Differentiation, Integration.

2014 Section A: Cubic Functions, Complex Numbers, Induction, Differentiation, Integration, Sequences and Series.

Sample Section B: Area and Volume, Financial Maths, Calculus.

2014 Section B: Algebra & Calculus, Calculus, Exponential Functions.

You can't expect it to be exactly the same but it tested a lot of the same stuff. There's so much on the course, you're better off studying from the textbook to make sure you understand everything you're expected to, and then practising with questions from the textbook and sample papers.

peanut.lover22

MegGustaa wrote: »

The sample papers were never supposed to be a guide for study. They were published to give teachers and students a familiarity with the layout of the papers and an idea as to the general way certain topics might be asked. Given the breadth of the course and the emphasis on developing mathematical skills rather than learning off methods, you cannot expect the paper you sit to be a carbon copy of a sample issued.

That being said, I did actually think yesterday's paper was very much in line with the 2014 Sample Paper 1.

Sample Section A: Complex Numbers, Induction, Cubic Functions, Simultaneous Equations/Modulus Inequalities, Differentiation, Integration.

2014 Section A: Cubic Functions, Complex Numbers, Induction, Differentiation, Integration, Sequences and Series.

Sample Section B: Area and Volume, Financial Maths, Calculus.

2014 Section B: Algebra & Calculus, Calculus, Exponential Functions.

You can't expect it to be exactly the same but it tested a lot of the same stuff. There's so much on the course, you're better off studying from the textbook to make sure you understand everything you're expected to, and then practising with questions from the textbook and sample papers.

Now that you laid it out, it covered the same topics just twisted and there were questions which through people.
I get using the textbook is helpful but for my school the textbook we chose isn't very helpful, it doesn't explain things clearly and there's too much written passages about certain things which are irrelevant to what we need to know.

plmko

LeavingCertee wrote: »

Is that all of them?

All paper two ones, yes

yoyojc

Hi can anyone put up a solution for Q9 (a) just how they found A from y=Ae^kt I'd really appreciate it.. Not sure if I was right or wrong with that one..

Peregrine

yoyojc wrote: »

Hi can anyone put up a solution for Q9 (a) just how they found A from y=Ae^kt I'd really appreciate it.. Not sure if I was right or wrong with that one..

If t = 0, e^kt is 1
Y = 77
77 = A

Nicke011

Theory part for paper 2 is so annoying! Maths is not about cramming theory

JohnM212

Do ye think were going to be asked statistics definitions? There's so much to learn

aleatorio

Nicke011 wrote: »

Theory part for paper 2 is so annoying! Maths is not about cramming theory

Ugh I know! I've been at it all day and I'm so frustrated, just want a nice maths q to sink my teeth into, not ****ing advantages of questionnaires..

plmko

aleatorio wrote: »

Ugh I know! I've been at it all day and I'm so frustrated, just want a nice maths q to sink my teeth into, not ****ing advantages of questionnaires..

Seeing as paper one was very maths-based I don't think there will be too many definitions. Let us pray anyway!!

Aspiring

plmko wrote: »

Seeing as paper one was very maths-based I don't think there will be too many definitions. Let us pray anyway!!

Better not be any of that statistics theory BS :pac:

Penguins123

Can anyone put up the full DEB paper 2 or have a link to it?

K1ultra

For the SEC sample paper 2 2014 theorem, which theorem are you proving?

ladderlad

plmko wrote: »

Didn't think question 9 was the worst, 8 was more challenging was it not?

what was 8 about again? 9 wasnt bad i got abit flustered with it on the day

FatRat

Can somebody explain to me how to find a coordinate on a Sin or a Cos graph?

Peregrine

K1ultra wrote: »

For the SEC sample paper 2 2014 theorem, which theorem are you proving?

6B? I think it's theorem 19 collary 1.

It's not a proof, it's an application. Really easy, 3 or 4 lines and a drawing a circle.

ladderlad wrote: »

what was 8 about again? 9 wasnt bad i got abit flustered with it on the day

The bridge.

Tesco TripleChicken

When calculating A and Y, I got 77 for Y but I wasnt sure and I only solved it in rough work at the back pages. Will the examiner give me marks for the answer even though its not written on the page of the question? I also didnt make any reference to the back for the answer but its there

Tesco TripleChicken

Id also highly recommend the Less Stress More Success Paper 2 book if you want to get some cramming done over the weekend

Nicke011

Question about paper 1, how many points do you get for the right result without showing your work? In the question where they asked for formula for the sum of all odd numbers n, I got it that it is n^2 which is right but I don't have the steps so, whats the story with that?

K1ultra

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

6B? I think it's theorem 19 collary 1.

There was no collary 1 in my book but is what you said the same as this http /www. studentxpress.ie/HLProjectMaths/HLSetCsolutions_P2Q6B.pdf. (There's a space after the http and www. because I can't post links)? It looks confusing as f***, i never would have got it

Peregrine

Tesco TripleChicken wrote: »

When calculating A and Y, I got 77 for Y but I wasnt sure and I only solved it in rough work at the back pages. Will the examiner give me marks for the answer even though its not written on the page of the question? I also didnt make any reference to the back for the answer but its there

You don't even have to do any work for it tbh

Wasn't y just 100-23?

And A was just looking at the equation and realising y =A.

K1ultra wrote: »

There was no collary 1 in my book but is what you said the same as this http /www. studentxpress.ie/HLProjectMaths/HLSetCsolutions_P2Q6B.pdf. (There's a space after the http and www. because I can't post links)? It looks confusing as f***, i never would have got it

Yeah, that's the one.

I think the corollary is just the angles on the same arc bit.

K1ultra

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

Yeah, that's the one.

I think the corollary is just the angles on the same arc bit.

Thanks looked over it and it's not as difficult as I thought!

aleatorio

Nicke011 wrote: »

Question about paper 1, how many points do you get for the right result without showing your work? In the question where they asked for formula for the sum of all odd numbers n, I got it that it is n^2 which is right but I don't have the steps so, whats the story with that?

I'm the same as you! Hope we get something XD

Fiachra17

What did people get for the bridge one ? For the coordinates of points B and D ?

Peregrine

Fiachra17 wrote: »

What did people get for the bridge one ? For the coordinates of points B and D ?

(10, 5) and (38, 5) I think.

Fiachra17

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

(10, 5) and (38, 5) I think.

Thanks a million, that's what I thought, just wanted to make sure