Dublin Pride 2014

J_E

TheGlass wrote: »

He's repeatedly spouting about accepting everyone and everything, that people that don't like seeing naked or sexually explicit people in the middle of the day are backwards and ignorant.

It's one day of the whole year. There is nobody naked there, given the police force during the day, it wouldn't be allowed. Sexually explicit - well, as I've said many times before, there is a lot more sexually explicit material shown to you and your children through everyday media. The people who dress 'risqué' respresent a small minority on Pride itself. You've been to the marches yourself and have seen said sexually explicit people, I take it? You don't have the right not to be offended in that manner, anyway.

To bring paedophilia into that argument is well, very telling of your mindset, and personally I think it's despicable.

Take your offense to the likes of Folsom Street Fair where you might have a better reason.

Elektronske

TheGlass wrote: »

What about pedophilia? Everybody judges and has the right to criticise, hushing everybody up that doesn't agree with you is not equality. Having an overly sexualised display on parade in the middle of the day does nothing to advance lgbt rights, and probably hinders them.

Earlier someone was attempting to equate how people dress in the pride parade with anti social behaviour, now you are attempting to equate it with 'pedophilia' (sic). Really how low can you go ?

People the world over in pride parades express their sexuality and this will include what they enjoy wearing. The authorities will police the parade and have no problem with such dress the world over. Your going to have to learn the meaning of tolerance and equality, and quit with the self hating homophobia.

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eviltwin wrote: »

It was the ass less shorts I had an issue with, like it or not it puts people off. It gives the impression Pride is not a family friendly event when it would be nice to have at least one thing suitable for all ages.

I completely disagree. The number of children at the parade rises every year, both participants and spectators. The clothes people wear only bothers the old conservatives that probably don't like gays anyway - the ones that think being gay is contagious and that seeing men dressed as women will make children want to be trans-sexual. I would not change the ethos of diversity and acceptance for the sake of that lot.

Again, the issue of alcohol is the core issue influencing a parents decision to bring their children to a public event, including Pride.

I have been many times to the parade and I have never seen any trouble at it and/or drunkenness. The messiness starts later in the evening when all the children have long gone.

I would hope that people wait til after the parade to start drinking and I think the vast majority respect that unspoken rule.

eviltwin

hotmail.com wrote: »

I completely disagree. The number of children at the parade rises every year, both participants and spectators. The clothes people wear only bothers the old conservatives that probably don't like gays anyway - the ones that think being gay is contagious and that seeing men dressed as women will make children want to be trans-sexual. I would not change the ethos of diversity and acceptance for the sake of that lot.

Again, the issue of alcohol is the core issue influencing a parents decision to bring their children to a public event, including Pride.

I have been many times to the parade and I have never seen any trouble at it and/or drunkenness. The messiness starts later in the evening when all the children have long gone.

I would hope that people wait til after the parade to start drinking and I think the vast majority respect that unspoken rule.

I am most certainly not an old conservative and I don't have an issue with gay people. By myself I wouldn't even look twice at what someone was wearing but when I bring a young child then I have to be a bit more mindful of him. There are certain things I don't want him to see at that age ( he's 5 ) and a guy with his bum hanging out is one of them. Its got nothing at all to do with disapproval of the gay lifestyle, heck I don't let him watch the adult phone in channels on Sky during the day for the same reason, as a parent I don't think he needs to be exposed to that yet and yes, that's my issue and I would never dream of suggesting Pride should have a dress code of any kind. My only point is mentioning it at all was that as times change and especially now with such a focus on the issue of gay parents and gay young people it would be great to have one event that was free of anything of an adult nature. Now maybe that is not the avenue Pride wants to go down and that is fair enough but imo its a great opportunity to include the entire community of Dublin that is going to waste. And with that I am bowing out. Its a shame you can't voice what is an unpopular opinion without being compared to a bigot.

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eviltwin wrote: »

I am most certainly not an old conservative and I don't have an issue with gay people. By myself I wouldn't even look twice at what someone was wearing but when I bring a young child then I have to be a bit more mindful of him. There are certain things I don't want him to see at that age ( he's 5 ) and a guy with his bum hanging out is one of them. Its got nothing at all to do with disapproval of the gay lifestyle, heck I don't let him watch the adult phone in channels on Sky during the day for the same reason, as a parent I don't think he needs to be exposed to that yet and yes, that's my issue and I would never dream of suggesting Pride should have a dress code of any kind. My only point is mentioning it at all was that as times change and especially now with such a focus on the issue of gay parents and gay young people it would be great to have one event that was free of anything of an adult nature. Now maybe that is not the avenue Pride wants to go down and that is fair enough but imo its a great opportunity to include the entire community of Dublin that is going to waste. And with that I am bowing out. Its a shame you can't voice what is an unpopular opinion without being compared to a bigot.

So you're against your son seeing a bum. Ok. I think you need to chill out. Your son will have a great day.

eviltwin

hotmail.com wrote: »

So you're against your son seeing a bum. Ok. I think you need to chill out. Your son will have a great day.

Depends on the context, overtly sexualised is not okay for me. That doesn't make me a raging homophobe. I feel there is a lot of aspects of life he doesn't need to see at that age, that's one of them. I don't feel Pride is suitable for him and for that reason I won't be going. I wish the festival the best of luck and hope everyone has a blast.

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eviltwin wrote: »

Depends on the context, overtly sexualised is not okay for me. That doesn't make me a raging homophobe. I feel there is a lot of aspects of life he doesn't need to see at that age, that's one of them. I don't feel Pride is suitable for him and for that reason I won't be going. I wish the festival the best of luck and hope everyone has a blast.

Come in for the day and see it for yourself, try to lose your hang ups and you'll probably enjoy it and so will your son. If it's raining, you won't see any flesh!!

Mr.Frame

eviltwin wrote: »

Depends on the context, overtly sexualised is not okay for me. That doesn't make me a raging homophobe. I feel there is a lot of aspects of life he doesn't need to see at that age, that's one of them. I don't feel Pride is suitable for him and for that reason I won't be going. I wish the festival the best of luck and hope everyone has a blast.

I presume you wouldn't let him go to the St Patricks Day parade either given that there are scantily clad women that march in that as well?

eviltwin

Mr.Frame wrote: »

I presume you wouldn't let him go to the St Patricks Day parade either given that there are scantily clad women that march in that as well?

I doubt any act the involves a guy in a thong or a woman wearing pasties would even make it into the ST Patricks Day Parade.

Elektronske

eviltwin wrote: »

I doubt any act the involves a guy in a thong or a woman wearing pasties would even make it into the ST Patricks Day Parade.

You really need to start measure it against all the other gay pride parades and mardi gras parades worldwide, not some intolerant bigoted homophobic religious/nationalist parade.

Cody montana

I've never been to a Pride Parade in Dublin.

Is it worth travelling up from Cork?

Mr.Frame

Cody montana wrote: »

I've never been to a Pride Parade in Dublin.

Is it worth travelling up from Cork?

Yes. its always a great atmosphere all over town

Mr.Frame

eviltwin wrote: »

I doubt any act the involves a guy in a thong or a woman wearing pasties would even make it into the ST Patricks Day Parade.

Ive seen women in scantily clad outfits on St Patricks Parade.

J_E

Cody montana wrote: »

I've never been to a Pride Parade in Dublin.

Is it worth travelling up from Cork?

It's a pretty great buzz. Huge turnouts around Merrion Square and all sorts around the place.

Daith

Cody montana wrote: »

I've never been to a Pride Parade in Dublin.

Is it worth travelling up from Cork?

Yes it's great craic. Merrion Sq has a fantastic vibe then everyone tends to head near Front Lounge/Panti Bar/ 4 Dame Lane. All good.

Cork Pride is great too

floggg

eviltwin wrote: »

I am most certainly not an old conservative and I don't have an issue with gay people. By myself I wouldn't even look twice at what someone was wearing but when I bring a young child then I have to be a bit more mindful of him. There are certain things I don't want him to see at that age ( he's 5 ) and a guy with his bum hanging out is one of them. Its got nothing at all to do with disapproval of the gay lifestyle, heck I don't let him watch the adult phone in channels on Sky during the day for the same reason, as a parent I don't think he needs to be exposed to that yet and yes, that's my issue and I would never dream of suggesting Pride should have a dress code of any kind. My only point is mentioning it at all was that as times change and especially now with such a focus on the issue of gay parents and gay young people it would be great to have one event that was free of anything of an adult nature. Now maybe that is not the avenue Pride wants to go down and that is fair enough but imo its a great opportunity to include the entire community of Dublin that is going to waste. And with that I am bowing out. Its a shame you can't voice what is an unpopular opinion without being compared to a bigot.

Have you checked the program. There's a youth breakfast (your kid would be too young for that though, 13 and up), concerts, a sports day and dog show, concerts etc.

There is plenty of stuff.

The majority of it based around the parade and bars though. And if you look at the history of the LGBT community then that's pretty appropriate.

Let's face it, bars were the only outlet LGBT people had for years. Pride and the modern LGBT rights movement was birthed in a bar.

It's great that pride is such a well supported and attended event now, but it shouldn't have to change it's nature to fit in with the expectations of it's new found spectators.

If people want to come to pride and participate then they should adjust to prides attitudes and sensibilities, not expect pride to adjust for theirs.

Pride started out as a defiant and rebellious movement, the one day of the year where LGBT people could flaunt their sexuality, their "sexual perversion" and their non-conformity. To many that meant ass-less garments.

And that attitude, the "this is who I am and you should accept me for it" attitude is what own people over to the LGBT people community, not the conformist "let's blend into the background and conform to how we are expected to live" approach.

So the idea that pride should be toned down to make it more palatable is fundamentally inconsistent with what pride started out as and is meant to be.

So while it would be great if you brought your kid and told them that this is what diversity looks like, and they reason why people march and that everybody should be treated equally regardless of how they look, dress or who they love, if you are unwilling to do so without expecting pride to change it's basic nature to accomodate you, then maybe you should stay at home.


As for the drink, pride is fairly well policed as regards public drinking. It's far stricter than Paddy's day, and that is one of the biggest family events in the country.

Pride effectively started in a bar, and the bars have been fundamentally important to the LGBT community, at least up until recent years with the advent of the internet and apps. Let's not pretend otherwise.

The community was centred around gay bars for so long, let's not try and whitewash them out of the picture now that we are no longer forced to seek refuge in them.

baby and crumble

That's a good point Flogg, it should be noted that Pride this year is a like a 10 day festival with mountains of activities like family breakfasts, dog walking for charity, art exhibitions, historical talks, concerts, a sports day, a dog show... There are also other festivals and events across the year that are integral now to the community, such as Gaze (film festival), the Dublin Theatre Festival, the Gloria Christmas Concert (amazing every year and a fantastic event for families), March for Marriage... The Pride Parade is a few hours of merriment out of it all.

Ambersky

All year round there are events usually arranged by the parents within LGBT groups for people with children. Running amach have regular events for women with children, I think there is an upcoming trip to the Zoo soon. So the idea that people want to change Pride because they want to have at least One Event that is family friendly is missing the bigger picture.

I would say I as an adult want at least One Event a year that people can feel free to express themselves and flaunt their long repressed sexuality on the streets without fear, in celebration and with their friends.

If people want to come along with children thats great. As I have said before there will be a family section in Merrion Square and there are family groups marching in the parade itself. However I wouldnt like to see the parents included beginning to insist that we tone ourselves down because of that inclusion.

I have marched in Pride with a mothers group with children and in my experience children are rarely shocked by something like a bare bum, in fact Ive seen children think its hilarious. Im aware of the vulneability of children that goes along with that innocence and I understand the importance of teaching children the difference between dangerous situations and safe ones. Sexuality in and of itself isnt a dangerous thing, its important to teach children how to differentiate between whats safe and whats not and any Pride I have been to with a child or with children has been safe. Naturally the children were not allowed to go wandering off on their own and if there were any questions they were answered honestly. I think growing up with this kind of awareness helps children to grow up into healthy adults with a healthy understanding of sexuality as part of being human along with a respect of self and of others. Its not what many of us grew up with, many of us didnt even see our own parents naked and any skin on show can seem shocking at first but what we usually see in Dublin during the Pride march is very manageable for parents with children especially when in a family section.
Pride has been a great opportunity for children I have been around to see a diversity of people and it has been a load of fun.

baby and crumble

Ambersky wrote: »

I have marched in Pride with a mothers group with children and in my experience children are rarely shocked by something like a bare bum, in fact Ive seen children think its hilarious.

That's the thing. Children don't sexualise body parts until they're older. My godson of 4 has often grabbed my boobs as a joke- to him they're just boobs, they're funny. It's not until children get told about sex or appropriate and inappropriate touching etc that they begin to see a difference between an arse and an elbow. Seeing a man dressed in leather for example has a sexual connotation for us but for a kid that guy could be a super hero!

I personally think that we don't give children and young people enough credit. Even teenagers, who are beginning their journey into sexual adults can see body parts and not immediately want to copy them. It's a great opportunity for parents to have a conversation about bodies, respect, personal choice, consequences etc.

J_E

baby and crumble wrote: »

That's the thing. Children don't sexualise body parts until they're older. My godson of 4 has often grabbed my boobs as a joke- to him they're just boobs, they're funny. It's not until children get told about sex or appropriate and inappropriate touching etc that they begin to see a difference between an arse and an elbow. Seeing a man dressed in leather for example has a sexual connotation for us but for a kid that guy could be a super hero!

I personally think that we don't give children and young people enough credit. Even teenagers, who are beginning their journey into sexual adults can see body parts and not immediately want to copy them. It's a great opportunity for parents to have a conversation about bodies, respect, personal choice, consequences etc.

Absolutely. Too many people here are making connotations from an adult perspective.

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Cydoniac wrote: »

Absolutely. Too many people here are making connotations from an adult perspective.

The children aren't the ones with the problem, it's their parents. They just use their children as an excuse.

J_E

hotmail.com wrote: »

The children aren't the ones with the problem, it's their parents. They just use their children as an excuse.

There have been a huge number of instances on these threads recently where I have this in my head;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

Pai Mei

Serious question, if the Pride parade is for LGBT people to be proud for being LGBT, why do some people dress in assless chaps or whatever. If the parade is about pride for being LGBT then why do they make it more about sex and not about the fact of simply being gay?

J_E

Pai Mei wrote: »

Serious question, if the Pride parade is for LGBT people to be proud for being LGBT, why do some people dress in assless chaps or whatever. If the parade is about pride for being LGBT then why do they make it more about sex and not about the fact of simply being gay?

Because in the case of some gay men there, they are celebrating every aspect of who they are. It's as much of an aesthetic statement as it may be a sexual one, and there is a very rich history and sub-culture behind it.

I mean, is this really a huge deal? We see boobs and asses thrown around the media every day without so much as a whimper and people suddenly get upset when they have to see it in real life. It's a carnival of sorts, if that's the worst thing you're going to see in your whole day I don't think you have an awful lot to worry about. (unless it's a flabby ass...)

I think anyone with a bit of common sense knows what Pride does and does not entail, that there will be a group of people who show off a little more body, that it's an established tradition now and going there to be offended is a bit daft.

mgcf81

Pai Mei wrote: »

Serious question, if the Pride parade is for LGBT people to be proud for being LGBT, why do some people dress in assless chaps or whatever. If the parade is about pride for being LGBT then why do they make it more about sex and not about the fact of simply being gay?

I think that it is about people showing the diversity that is involved in the community and I am all for that. But the problem that I have with it is that Joe Bigot from Ballygobackward will focus on that one person who chooses to wear chaps with his ass cheeks on display and try use that as a stick to beat the community with.

Joe Bigot sadly believes that the chaps wearing gay guy will go forth and try to convert good heterosexual folk into gay men and women and thus inhibit the world going forward.

The basic gist of what I am trying to say here is that not alone will there be people who are not liberal about things, there will be people who will focus on what they perceive as negative and they will shout loudly about it.

Personally I think pride should show diversity, because that is something we as a community bring to the table. But I think it needs to show balance too, that even though we might wear chaps for a kick we still do all the same things Joe Bigot from Ballygobackward does.

floggg

mgcf81 wrote: »

I think that it is about people showing the diversity that is involved in the community and I am all for that. But the problem that I have with it is that Joe Bigot from Ballygobackward will focus on that one person who chooses to wear chaps with his ass cheeks on display and try use that as a stick to beat the community with.

Joe Bigot sadly believes that the chaps wearing gay guy will go forth and try to convert good heterosexual folk into gay men and women and thus inhibit the world going forward.

The basic gist of what I am trying to say here is that not alone will there be people who are not liberal about things, there will be people who will focus on what they perceive as negative and they will shout loudly about it.

Personally I think pride should show diversity, because that is something we as a community bring to the table. But I think it needs to show balance too, that even though we might wear chaps for a kick we still do all the same things Joe Bigot from Ballygobackward does.

The thing is Joe Bigot doesn't hate you because your ass is showing.

Joe Bigot hates you just because you are gay, or more simply because you are different.

What you wear at pride won't make much difference to him. His beef isn't the outfits, it's that pride exists at all.

So in that case, you may as well wear what you want. At least that way you'll send a message to him to let him know you won't be cowed by his bigotry and won't let him dictate to you how you should live your life.

mgcf81

floggg wrote: »

The thing is Joe Bigot doesn't hate you because your ass is showing.

Joe Bigot hates you just because you are gay, or more simply because you are different.

What you wear at pride won't make much difference to him. His beef isn't the outfits, it's that pride exists at all.

So in that case, you may as well wear what you want. At least that way you'll send a message to him to let him know you won't be cowed by his bigotry and won't let him dictate to you how you should live your life.

I disagree. Joe Bigot doesn't know what he hates because he is uneducated and small minded. But my point is a simple one, he will use the ass hanging out as a stick to beat us ALL with. If you take away his stick what has he got left? Nada and his argument becomes as hollow as himself. Indeed empty vessels make the most noise!

Just to clarify, no-one wants to see me in assless chaps ... Not a good look

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mgcf81 wrote: »

I disagree. Joe Bigot doesn't know what he hates because he is uneducated and small minded. But my point is a simple one, he will use the ass hanging out as a stick to beat us ALL with. If you take away his stick what has he got left? Nada and his argument becomes as hollow as himself. Indeed empty vessels make the most noise!

Just to clarify, no-one wants to see me in assless chaps ... Not a good look

We shouldn't have to change, it's Joe Bigot that needs to change.

Where are all these naked people at Dublin Pride by the way? I have never seen anything!?

aloyisious

A little bit late to post about this, last day today.... https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCwQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Fentertainment%2FThreeTrending%2Fvideo%2Fvarious-voices-lgbt-choir-festival-hits-dublin-30356156.html&ei=WtSeU9DoAuHe7AbRjICwAw&usg=AFQjCNFFcmN_wp6Ly2t2enqvZ5hVVhDIyg[/url

I had the pleasure to see one of the choirs (french, I think) outside the Gaiety Theatre on Sat singing their hearts out to an appreciative audience, incl the Scottish LGBT choir (Loud and Proud).

floggg

mgcf81 wrote: »

I disagree. Joe Bigot doesn't know what he hates because he is uneducated and small minded. But my point is a simple one, he will use the ass hanging out as a stick to beat us ALL with. If you take away his stick what has he got left? Nada and his argument becomes as hollow as himself. Indeed empty vessels make the most noise!

Just to clarify, no-one wants to see me in assless chaps ... Not a good look

You fundamentally misunderstand the nature of your average bigot. The expressed reason for his bigotry is more often than not an empty slogan to hide behind.

If defeating bigotry was simply a matter of exposing the hollow nature of their arguments, we would live in a utopia where bigotry and discrimination don't exist.

Any and all arguments they can put forward are routinely shown up for being empty and baseless - it doesn't stop them being against homosexuality and equal rights. Ultimately they are arguments will come down to the fact the don't like it.

If LGBT people modify their behaviour to placate Joe bigot, the he has won, plain and simple.

He's not going to challenge his own views just because some gay man put on a pair of jeans. The victory will only make him more certain of his supposed righteousness.

The only time he will change his views is when he realises his views are causing him to become the marginalised minority. When it becomes so unacceptable to voice them that he either sits down and does some self analysis or at least knows enough to shut up and keep them to himself.

Pandering to him will never be effective though. No civil rights advances have ever been made by politely asking for acceptance.

mgcf81

I am not suggesting that anyone change. I am suggesting that instead of just showing the differences we should show the similarities.

I do take your point and completely agree with much of what you say I am simply asking that Joe Bigot be shown for every difference there is a similarity and that we as a community have something to offer and therefore expect to be treated with the same courtesy and respect he demands.

Ambersky

The vast vast majority of people walking in Pride look ordinary, if Jo/sephine Public wants to see similarities they will, if they are looking to see differences to validate that belief they will be able to see that too.

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mgcf81 wrote: »

I am not suggesting that anyone change. I am suggesting that instead of just showing the differences we should show the similarities.

I do take your point and completely agree with much of what you say I am simply asking that Joe Bigot be shown for every difference there is a similarity and that we as a community have something to offer and therefore expect to be treated with the same courtesy and respect he demands.

As already said, the vast vast majority wear "normal" clothes and look like everybody else.

Every year there is this weird focus on the very small amount of people that want to wear something different. I think people must be jealous of their confidence, because I can't understand the fascination.

floggg

hotmail.com wrote: »

As already said, the vast vast majority wear "normal" clothes and look like everybody else.

Every year there is this weird focus on the very small amount of people that want to wear something different. I think people must be jealous of their confidence, because I can't understand the fascination.

I doubt it.

I reckon that in the vast majority of cases the criticism is either:

(A) when coming from LGBT people themselves, due to the fact that the more flamboyant or risqué participants in pride serve as an uncomfortable reminder of how they might be seen by many just because they happen to be LGBT; and

(B) when coming from straight people, because those people are a convenient cover for criticism of pride as a whole. It allows them to bring in all the old arguments and criticisms about gay people being inappropriate, over sexualised, perverted, a bad or dangerous influence on kids etc.

And by using the extreme example, it makes their essential argument that gay people should only be tolerated if they conform to their expected standards of behaviour and self censor themselves seem less extreme, bigoted and intolerant.

mgcf81

hotmail.com wrote: »

As already said, the vast vast majority wear "normal" clothes and look like everybody else.

Every year there is this weird focus on the very small amount of people that want to wear something different. I think people must be jealous of their confidence, because I can't understand the fascination.

I am certainly not at all uncomfortable with it, nor am I unprepared to say I do not have the confidence to do it (Or the body for that matter)

My point is simple some fool somewhere will hone in on this rather than the positives. Because it is "out there" it over shadows the average person who happens to be gay. Whilst I am out I don't feel the need to wear my sexuality like a badge because I believe it to be a very small part of us.

The more important part of us is what we contribute to society as a person and I will lay my bottom dollar that the person wearing chaps or a leather jockstrap does not believe that is the best they have to offer the world. It is simply something they enjoy doing and no-one should ever impinge upon that but sadly until we as a community educate Joe Bigot then he will continue to try and control our rights.

Ambersky

but sadly until we as a community educate Joe Bigot then he will continue to try and control our rights

Joe Bigot has been trying to control our rights since forever and spent some time getting away with it too. Things havent changed to the extent that they have because we waited, behaved ourselves and talked nicely, just knowing that one day the bigots would realise that we are just like them.
Conservativism, blending in, having people who are willing and able to engage in rational debate while looking perfectly acceptable and normal, most certainly has its benefits and those people are doing their part, a big part, to bring about change.
The thing is however that we must not forget that we are a diverse group, that everyone plays their part and even the roller blading disco dancing queen has a part to play in opening up peoples perceptions and ability to accept difference.

floggg

Ambersky wrote: »

Joe Bigot has been trying to control our rights since forever and spent some time getting away with it too. Things havent changed to the extent that they have because we waited, behaved ourselves and talked nicely, just knowing that one day the bigots would realise that we are just like them.
Conservativism, blending in, having people who are willing and able to engage in rational debate while looking perfectly acceptable and normal, most certainly has its benefits and those people are doing their part, a big part, to bring about change.
The thing is however that we must not forget that we are a diverse group, that everyone plays their part and even the roller blading disco dancing queen has a part to play in opening up peoples perceptions and ability to accept difference.

It should also be remembered the roller blading dancing queen types (and roller balding drag queens) did far more to advance the cause of LGBT rights than the conservative blend into the background type.

In fact the only reason the conservative LGBT types are getting a seat at the table is because the drag queens fought for their space in the first place.

Ash885

floggg wrote: »

It should also be remembered the roller blading dancing queen types (and roller balding drag queens) did far more to advance the cause of LGBT rights than the conservative blend into the background type.

In fact the only reason the conservative LGBT types are getting a seat at the table is because the drag queens fought for their space in the first place.

A day not to "check myself" as Panti put it

You're on a roll floggg, great views.

eaglach

floggg wrote: »

I reckon that in the vast majority of cases the criticism is either:

(A) when coming from LGBT people themselves, due to the fact that the more flamboyant or risqué participants in pride serve as an uncomfortable reminder of how they might be seen by many just because they happen to be LGBT;

I think you're right on that one.

Annasopra

mgcf81 wrote: »

I am not suggesting that anyone change. I am suggesting that instead of just showing the differences we should show the similarities.

If you think about it thats exactly diversity is - showing both differences and similarities at the same time.

mgcf81

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

If you think about it thats exactly diversity is - showing both differences and similarities at the same time.

Which is the conclusion I came to as I was going through this topic and responding.

So the next question is how do we stop Joe Bigot focusing on that one thing he sees as a negative?

floggg

mgcf81 wrote: »

Which is the conclusion I came to as I was going through this topic and responding.

So the next question is how do we stop Joe Bigot focusing on that one thing he sees as a negative?

Wait until he dies.

At this stage in the debate, Joe Bigot doesn't want to see things from any other perspective.

So we just have to educate his kids better than he was and let him take his views to the grave.

Daith

mgcf81 wrote: »

Which is the conclusion I came to as I was going through this topic and responding.

So the next question is how do we stop Joe Bigot focusing on that one thing he sees as a negative?

http://www.vintag.es/2014/05/women-in-chicago-being-arrested-for.html

Things change. Be yourself (unless you start killing people or something)

Annasopra

mgcf81 wrote: »

Which is the conclusion I came to as I was going through this topic and responding.

So the next question is how do we stop Joe Bigot focusing on that one thing he sees as a negative?

Why is that a question? Why do we allow Joe Bigot to hold power over us and why can't we reclaim that power?

baby and crumble

The thing is with those kinds of people, the lgbt community is never going to win. If we include a diverse range of individuals who express themselves and wear whatever try want we're accused of highlighting differences too much, and if some of us are too similar to everyone else we get told were just playing at fitting in so we can steal children or something.

Rory28

I am torn on this, on the one hand I dont think kids should be looking at men in thongs. on the other I want to look at men in thongs.

Kids be damned, we keep the thongs.

ongarboy

Parades are meant to be colourful, flamboyant, larger than life and about celebrating or exaggerating the fun aspect of your life/interests/culture/scene that you would not necessarily do on a normal day - eg Patrick's Day (who wears head to toe green on any other day of the year??), Mardi Gras in New Orleans, all those Brazilian festivals etc. LGBT is also embracing those aspects and yes perhaps accentuating some aspects (scantily clad eye candy/drag queens/the various sub cultures such as leather, fetish etc) but it's all part of the fun and acceptance. Unless there is really evidence of people going around exposing private parts, I don't see how there is a problem. A flash of ass is not obscene surely (particularly a well toned one!!:)?

hotmail.com

Rory28 wrote: »

I am torn on this, on the one hand I dont think kids should be looking at men in thongs. on the other I want to look at men in thongs.

Kids be damned, we keep the thongs.

Is women in thongs ok? Ridiculous.

aloyisious

hotmail.com wrote: »

Is women in thongs ok? Ridiculous.

That depend's on your taste

Oh, was at the Irish LGBT history talk in DCC Pearse St Public library tonite. A member of the Pride Comittee was there. Some-one raised Merrion Square & mention was made that the square itself would be open for use. I don't know if this is factual so if there's a committee member reading this thread, could you please enlighten me on this point.

tipperaryboy

Apologies for interrupting the flow of debate, how about some sort of pride meetup perhaps? I know everywhere will be very busy so it may be difficult.