Chelsea Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15

peteeeed

GavRedKing wrote: »

Forgot Mikel too actually.

that can happen

GavRedKing

Right now we've only 3 players left that started the UCL Final against Bayern, 5 out of the 18 man squad left. :eek:

Online thanks available for anyone that can name the 5.

I struggled with the 5th.

Johner

Cech, Cahill, Bertrand started. Romeu and Torres on the bench. :P

peteeeed

GavRedKing wrote: »

Right now we've only 3 players left that started the UCL Final against Bayern, 5 out of the 18 man squad left. :eek:

Online thanks available for anyone that can name the 5.

I struggled with the 5th.

mikel, cahill,, ivan, torres , cech still on the books Oriol Romeu, bertrand

Johner

Oh and Mikel. :pac:

Johner

peteeeed wrote: »

mikel, cahill,, ivan, torres , cech still on the books Oriol Romeu, bertrand

:pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhinlzXWQqg

GavRedKing

peteeeed wrote: »

mikel, cahill,, ivan, torres , cech still on the books Oriol Romeu, bertrand

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Ivan was suspended but I had forgotten about Bertrand.

peteeeed

Johner wrote: »

:pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhinlzXWQqg

poor ivan , forgot about that, that guys head could have got taken off his shoulders

peteeeed

GavRedKing wrote: »

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Ivan was suspended but I had forgotten about Bertrand.

and still sturridge didn't make the starting 11

hots

Actually who will be our captains the year after next? Cech, Cole, Lamps, Terry and Ivanovic will all be gone by then I would imagine... Cahill could step up but not sure who after that really? Maybe Azpi? He's certainly got the fire in the belly for it anyway!

GavRedKing

peteeeed wrote: »

and still sturridge didn't make the starting 11

Or Torres or even more sensible, Malouda on the left but it worked out anyway.

hobbit of the shire wrote: »

Actually who will be our captains the year after next? Cech, Cole, Lamps, Terry and Ivanovic will all be gone by then I would imagine... Cahill could step up but not sure who after that really? Maybe Azpi? He's certainly got the fire in the belly for it anyway!

Long term, I'm thinking Azp, Hazard, maybe even Zouma too, lad is only 19 and a huge talent.

6 ' 3, quick, strong and a decent defender for his age, we're sorted at CB for a long time anyway.

hullaballoo

hobbit of the shire wrote: »

Actually who will be our captains the year after next? Cech, Cole, Lamps, Terry and Ivanovic will all be gone by then I would imagine... Cahill could step up but not sure who after that really? Maybe Azpi? He's certainly got the fire in the belly for it anyway!

In all honesty, I reckon Cesc is most likely once the last of the old guard are out.

It's difficult to tell now with the young lads in the squad which of them might have leadership qualities.

hullaballoo

Oh yeah, then there's Matic. I'd say he's the front runner out of the young lads for me.

Who was captain for the U21s last season? Swift was it?

GavRedKing

Cesc as captain wouldnt go down to well in North London, leading out Chelsea at the Emirates.

GavRedKing

Where the hell is Costa. :mad:

grumpymunster

There could be something in this the lad did have an excellent world cup

http://africanfootball.com//news/436210/Chelsea-now-to-give-Omeruo-big-break?

Could be why Kalas was allowed another season on loan as JT really is approaching the end

hullaballoo

GavRedKing wrote: »

Cesc as captain wouldnt go down to well in North London, leading out Chelsea at the Emirates.

GavRedKing

grumpymunster wrote: »

There could be something in this the lad did have an excellent world cup

http://africanfootball.com//news/436210/Chelsea-now-to-give-Omeruo-big-break?

Could be why Kalas was allowed another season on loan as JT really is approaching the end

Either himself or Zouma will be loaned out this year and the other kept as back up I'd assume.

We probably wont know until towards the end of August and pre-season is over.

Johner

Apparently Filipe Luis is trying to force a move, wants to join us but we are reluctant to meet the buy out clause of €24(£19) million and hoping to get him cheaper.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/485888/Chelsea-target-Filipe-Luis-rejects-Atletico-talks-to-force-Stamford-Bridge-move

grumpymunster

GavRedKing wrote: »

Either himself or Zouma will be loaned out this year and the other kept as back up I'd assume.

We probably wont know until towards the end of August and pre-season is over.

Not sure myself currently we have JT, Cahill, Ivan, and Dave as recognised first team defenders. Now we have Zouma arriving and a LB I am sure, we may hold onto PVA or Ryan. That being the case we are too short by far with 7 defenders for a nigh on 60+ game campaign.

GavRedKing

Havent Atletico already signed a new GK, LB and CF.

It maybe a case of waiting to agree a fee but I cant imagine Atletico are happy losing 3 players to Chelsea and Courtois too.

GavRedKing

grumpymunster wrote: »

Not sure myself currently we have JT, Cahill, Ivan, and Dave as recognised first team defenders. Now we have Zouma arriving and a LB I am sure, we may hold onto PVA or Ryan. That being the case we are too short by far with 7 defenders for a nigh on 60+ game campaign.

We could always say

RB : Dave, Ivan
CB : JT, Cahill, Zouma, Omerou
LB : PVA, New LB

Ivan can cover across the back four, Azp can play both FB roles and we've youth options too for CB if we suffer a crisis.

Thats better defensive cover than we had last year TBH.

Johner

GavRedKing wrote: »

Havent Atletico already signed a new GK, LB and CF.

It maybe a case of waiting to agree a fee but I cant imagine Atletico are happy losing 3 players to Chelsea and Courtois too.

Yeah they signed a replacement left back for Luis in Guilherme Siqueira. I'd say it's just a matter of time before we announce Costa and Luis. I really think we are getting one of the best left backs in the world if we get Luis.

GavRedKing

Johner wrote: »

Yeah they signed a replacement left back for Luis in Guilherme Siqueira. I'd say it's just a matter of time before we announce Costa and Luis. I really think we are getting one of the best left backs in the world if we get Luis.

Its very short term but if we win trophies in that period, so be it.

We'll have to spend to replace Luis in 4/5 years anyway.

Panthro

Johner wrote: »

Yeah they signed a replacement left back for Luis in Guilherme Siqueira. I'd say it's just a matter of time before we announce Costa and Luis. I really think we are getting one of the best left backs in the world if we get Luis.

But we've let the best LB over the past decade walk on without not so much as a "howdoyado!"... And that's not right in my eyes.
Wahhhh!:mad:
:pac:

Techless

Luis will be 29 before the season even starts

GavRedKing

Techless wrote: »

Luis will be 29 before the season even starts

That my main gripe, we're going to be spending close to, if not 20million on a 29 year old.

We'll probably give him a 4/5 year deal, lets say 5, at about 80-100k a week, so we'll say 100k.

His FFP cost per annum over the length of his deal is about 9 million which isnt great TBH.

Johner

He's also world class. I think Shaw would have turned out to be a great long term signing if we had got him but it still would have been a big risk. £19 million is a good chunk to be spending on a left back who's 28 but he's the best possible left back we could sign at the moment. A back line of,

Courtois
Azpili Terry Cahill Luis

That would be the best back 5 in the league, Luis is also very good going forward. Wages would be about £70k - £80k I'd imagine.

GavRedKing

Johner wrote: »

He's also world class. I think Shaw would have turned out to be a great long term signing if we had got him but it still would have been a big risk. £19 million is a good chunk to be spending on a left back who's 28 but he's the best possible left back we could sign at the moment. A back line of,

Courtois
Azpili Terry Cahill Luis

That would be the best back 5 in the league, Luis is also very good going forward. Wages would be about £70k - £80k I'd imagine.

Even without Luis we've the best back 5 in the league and thats before we add Courtois and Luis. :cool:

Johner

GavRedKing wrote: »

Even without Luis we've the best back 5 in the league and thats before we add Courtois and Luis. :cool:

True. :cool: Really looking forward to the season, hopefully we get the deals wrapped up soon.

GavRedKing

Johner wrote: »

True. :cool: Really looking forward to the season, hopefully we get the deals wrapped up soon.

Ya, pre-season starts next week so everyone bar those involved in the WC right now should be back with us and raring to go, its vital to get a good pre-season and to have everyone up to speed ASAP.

grumpymunster

GavRedKing wrote: »

We could always say

RB : Dave, Ivan
CB : JT, Cahill, Zouma, Omerou
LB : PVA, New LB

Ivan can cover across the back four, Azp can play both FB roles and we've youth options too for CB if we suffer a crisis.

Thats better defensive cover than we had last year TBH.

Exactly that is why I dont think we can let either of Zouma or Omerou out on loan, I know Ivan started as a CB but he is a long way from convincing. Decent enough emergency cover but no more for me.

Being very generous to Man United they have paid ST£30m for Shaw lets assume they get 14 years out of him that is ST£2.14m p.a. also assume on average they pay him ST£150k p.w. that amounts to ST£7.8m p.a. so from a FFP aspect he will be in and around ST£10m a season so why is Luis so bad at ST£9m I dont get that.

GavRedKing

I'd prefer if we brought in a younger, good LB TBH.

Its just kicking the can down the road, sure we'll ahev LB sorted for a few years but we'll have to replace Luis sooner rather than later.

grumpymunster

On the other hand Luis is a well established LB regarded as one of the best in Europe, Shaw is a young full back with potential who could go either way. Still costs the same from a FFP aspect and now we have a few years (assuming Luis signs) to address the problem or see PVA or Ryan come through.

Have faith as TSHO works in mysterious ways his wonderful work to do.

SureYWouldntYa

GavRedKing wrote: »

I'd prefer if we brought in a younger, good LB TBH.

Its just kicking the can down the road, sure we'll ahev LB sorted for a few years but we'll have to replace Luis sooner rather than later.

I like the look of Ricardo Rodriguez, i think he was the highest rated LB in Europe last season, according to whoscored. Be a far better investment than Luis, and be cheaper than Shaw would have been. I just hope he doesn't do too well against Argentina now and send his price through the roof

homer simpson

Costa deal confirmed on the chelsea site now...

http://www.chelseafc.com/news-article/article/3943327/title/costa-agreement-reached

Johner

Finally.

hullaballoo

The main justification for opting for Luis over a younger full back for me is that we're looking to get back into serious contention for trophies next season. Last season was a stop-gap season in all honesty. None of us really bought the little horse stuff but TSHO was right in saying that the team was incomplete. Eto'o was an emergency signing after the move for Rooney flopped. (Just to go on record, I think Rooney would work well for us but he's another player that would need to be replaced sooner than later.)

By signing Luis, we know we are getting one of the world's best LBs and that means we're back in business in time for the new season. I don't know how much he'll cost but the figure seems to drop every time I look at twitter so I'd expect it will be in or around €15m. Even if it's up as high as €19m, I think that's justified for a player who can give us a few years of security at LB. Dave can go off to RB and we have very good backup with Ivan on the bench.

By the time Luis has to move on or gets dropped, hopefully our youth setup will provide us with a decent option. I reckon PVA is probably not going to break into the starting XI at this stage but he could be there or thereabouts in 2-3 seasons if we can get him loaned to another PL team. He had a good run at Vitesse last season - 67 starts according to wikipedia but he needs to get the PL experience imo.

Let's face it, the world isn't exactly brimming with talented LBs at the moment so there is a premium on them either way.

GavRedKing

I said by 3pm it would be announced, i was close :pac:

GavRedKing

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

I like the look of Ricardo Rodriguez, i think he was the highest rated LB in Europe last season, according to whoscored. Be a far better investment than Luis, and be cheaper than Shaw would have been. I just hope he doesn't do too well against Argentina now and send his price through the roof

Rodriguez looks promising alright so in terms of long term signings he'd be ideal IMO

hullaballoo

Glad we didn't go for Rickie Lambert in the end lads.

GavRedKing

hullaballoo wrote: »

Glad we didn't go for Rickie Lambert in the end lads.

Now we need to keep lukaku

hullaballoo

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/BreLdazIUAAgJI1.mp4

GavRedKing

Lukaku dropped for Belgium tonight.

Crann na Beatha

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GavRedKing

Phoenix wrote: »

let's hope he tears the league up

Dropped for the last 16 and Costa signed an hour ago,Lukaku will have a meltdown :pac:

Crackle

Glad the transfer business seems to be getting done nice and quick, giving the new guys as much of a pre-season with the squad as possible.

If Costa doesn't work out I don't know what the hell we're gonna do :pac:

GavRedKing

Crackle wrote: »

Glad the transfer business seems to be getting done nice and quick, giving the new guys as much of a pre-season with the squad as possible.

If Costa doesn't work out I don't know what the hell we're gonna do :pac:

Messi

McDave

Great news! Costa fills the most important immediate gap. And with him and Fabregas as marquee signings, there's less pressure and greater scope for signing others to fill lesser gaps and build for the future.

We're building a good squad with great depth capable of challenging for all major honours. Also with players like Matic and Salah already in the squad since January, and with Schurrle coming on nicely last season, developing cohesion won't be a major challenge like it's going to be for Van Gaal.

Even if we hold on to Mikel and Ramires, we can expect to upgrade on them a year from now. I hope we do.

Lukaku is the main conundrum. I'm sure Jose knows if he wants him or not, and why. My guess is he might not want Lukaku whining about the place and may just decide to move him on. I think he might have made that decision after the Bayern match.

GavRedKing

Rodriguez has played well today he should be a long term option.