Chelsea Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15

hots · 17-09-2014 9:37pm

Very disappointing, don't think it was tactical to be honest, we were poor at the back and missed chances... Hopefully gives them a rocket up the arse before the weekend.

cadaliac · 17-09-2014 9:37pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

Ya one eye on city has cost us. Strong team started but it should have been remy from the start.

+1

GavRedKing · 17-09-2014 9:37pm

The other game was a draw too so it doesnt look so bad in the group but thats a game we should have won. Missed chances cost us hugely.

We had 4/5 excellent chances and took 1. They had 2 and took 1. Its our own fault

McDave · 17-09-2014 9:38pm

A very disappointing and complacent performance. Could come back to bite us later in the group. Although we should still qualify, we may have to outperform Schalke head to head to do it.

GavRedKing · 17-09-2014 9:41pm

Remy or Costa would have buried the chances Drogba had.

Starting his was stupid. Against bolton in the capital 1 cup, yes.

Schalke 1st game of the ucl, not a hope.

Stupid call

McDave · 17-09-2014 9:42pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

Ya one eye on city has cost us. Strong team started but it should have been remy from the start.

Jose was doing one for the Drog. But that was sentiment. UCL not the stage for it. Yeah, maybe he should have started Remy.

GavRedKing · 17-09-2014 9:46pm

McDave wrote: »

Jose was doing one for the Drog. But that was sentiment. UCL not the stage for it. Yeah, maybe he should have started Remy.

No place for sentiment in the ucl.

It showed whats ahead of us if we lose Costa.

We can be easily stopped

McDave · 17-09-2014 9:50pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

No place for sentiment in the ucl.

It showed whats ahead of us if we lose Costa.

We can be easily stopped

Even *with* Costa it won't be plain sailing. Smarter defences will figure out ways to contain him. He'll still get us extra points (has already). But we still need to tighten up defence.

I still think we're on for the Premiership. But we're far from fallible, despite the results to date.

GavRedKing · 17-09-2014 9:53pm

McDave wrote: »

Even *with* Costa it won't be plain sailing. Smarter defences will figure out ways to contain him. He'll still get us extra points (has already). But we still need to tighten up defence.

I still think we're on for the Premiership. But we're far from fallible, despite the results to date.

Its a long slog but we were very naive tonight and it showed starting Drogba. Ramires was poor too. Willian offered a threat but nobody got on his final ball except a wasteful drogba.

Highly annoying 1st game and Cahill slightly at fault for the goal for not closing down Huntelaar but it was a good finish

phobia2011 · 17-09-2014 9:53pm

What the fcuk was costa at, he played and didn't score.

Can't be having that!!

McDave · 17-09-2014 9:58pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

Its a long slog but we were very naive tonight and it showed starting Drogba. Ramires was poor too. Willian offered a threat but nobody got on his final ball except a wasteful drogba.

Highly annoying 1st game and Cahill slightly at fault for the goal for not closing down Huntelaar but it was a good finish

Ironically, Schalke ended up being as effective as us on the break. Draxler and Huntelaar very threatening. Draxler's miss before halftime was the warning shot. Why Mou didn't react sooner (e.g. Costa or Remy right after the break) is hard to understand. Jose's error in the end.

GavRedKing · 17-09-2014 9:59pm

Jose out.

Costas terrible.

Sack the board.

GavRedKing · 17-09-2014 10:00pm

McDave wrote: »

Ironically, Schalke ended up being as effective as us on the break. Draxler and Huntelaar very threatening. Draxler's miss before halftime was the warning shot. Why Mou didn't react sooner (e.g. Costa or Remy right after the break) is hard to understand. Jose's error in the end.

Ramies and drogba were poor. Luis was decent. Threw in some decent crosses too. An effective fb and more natural than Dave of course. Thats a plus.

McDave · 17-09-2014 10:01pm

phobia2011 wrote: »

What the fcuk was costa at, he played and didn't score.

Can't be having that!!

Should have given him a full half or at least 30 minutes, when the team had time to build. Bringing him on on 72 minutes? A couple of minutes dicking around and you're into the last 15 minutes and chasing the game. Which is exactly how it felt.

kev1.3s · 17-09-2014 10:01pm

Time to relax, yeah we played a team with one eye on the weekend and it didn't come off but it's not the end of the world, we're more than capable of beating schalke away and should still top the group.
Hazard didn't seem to have much confidence in drogba either, seemed to me he'd rather have a go himself than feed the drog also seemed to give him an earful when he came across in an offside position to nick the ball.

McDave · 17-09-2014 10:05pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

Ramies and drogba were poor. Luis was decent. Threw in some decent crosses too. An effective fb and more natural than Dave of course. Thats a plus.

At this level Ramires is more or less a passenger carried by the rest of the team. He's been more effective in the league, but under less trying circumstances.

The Setanta highlights showed Drogba lacked puff and threat. He had enough chances the Drog of old would have converted into a brace.

GavRedKing · 17-09-2014 10:06pm

Ra.ores js good to bring on for energy like against swansea but apart from that he can be out of the game for long periods.

Its only the first game we'll go through but we really should have 3 pts on the board if we played Remy or Costa.

McDave · 17-09-2014 10:07pm

kev1.3s wrote: »

Time to relax, yeah we played a team with one eye on the weekend and it didn't come off but it's not the end of the world, we're more than capable of beating schalke away and should still top the group.
Hazard didn't seem to have much confidence in drogba either, seemed to me he'd rather have a go himself than feed the drog also seemed to give him an earful when he came across in an offside position to nick the ball.

That was a painful one alright.

Jose is going to have to be ruthless. Drogba can't lead at the top any more. That should have been clear from our own fixtures against Galatasaray last year.

hots · 17-09-2014 10:09pm

I actually thought that was another game where Cahill has been poor... without the same midfield support as last season the back 4 don't look as sure.

Crann na Beatha · 17-09-2014 10:11pm

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GavRedKing · 17-09-2014 10:11pm

hobbit of the shire wrote: »

I actually thought that was another game where Cahill has been poor... without the same midfield support as last season the back 4 don't look as sure.

Ivan at cb?

Dave to rb would sort that

kev1.3s · 17-09-2014 10:12pm

hobbit of the shire wrote: »

I actually thought that was another game where Cahill has been poor... without the same midfield support as last season the back 4 don't look as sure.

I really think that's to do with courtois, he doesn't seem to have control of the guys in front of them as Cech did.
Although it would be hard to have that unity seeing that Cech has owned that area for the last decade.

GavRedKing · 17-09-2014 10:16pm

kev1.3s wrote: »

I really think that's to do with courtois, he doesn't seem to have control of the guys in front of them as Cech did.
Although it would be hard to have that unity seeing that Cech has owned that area for the last decade.

Someone should have closed huntleaar, seeing as ivanovic tried to take out draxler, cahill should have went to the ball.

McDave · 17-09-2014 10:17pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

Jose out.

Costas terrible.

Sack the board.

GavMonKey back in the groove! :pac:

McDave · 17-09-2014 10:18pm

kev1.3s wrote: »

I really think that's to do with courtois, he doesn't seem to have control of the guys in front of them as Cech did.
Although it would be hard to have that unity seeing that Cech has owned that area for the last decade.

How many clean sheets for Courtois now?

Thibout!

the_monkey · 17-09-2014 10:18pm

nah not interested ...

GavRedKing · 17-09-2014 10:55pm

Also dya remember jts booking and free? Same foul goes in on Cesc and its play on and the balls in our net 5seconds later.

Problem is jts was never a foul, neither is the one on cesc but for consistency both should have been frees.

GavRedKing · 17-09-2014 10:55pm

McDave wrote: »

How many clean sheets for Courtois now?

Thibout!

The answer is one. Against leicester

rottie 11 · 17-09-2014 11:02pm

Pissed off with chelsea tonite . Missed 2 many chances ffs.

GavRedKing · 17-09-2014 11:06pm

rottie 11 wrote: »

Pissed off with chelsea tonite . Missed 2 many chances ffs.

Ya it was like last season all over again. Had it been any of the cfs last year that missed those chances tonight chelsea fans would be rightly pi**ed. I can see why playing drogba made sense keep the 2 lads for sunday but drogbas just back in training and hes 36 leading the line will take more time getting used to for him and i was hoping remy would start.

Draw in the other group game means weve got away with throwing away 2 valuable home pts for now

rottie 11 · 17-09-2014 11:09pm

I def wud have startd remy anyway. We could have finished that game in first half but they took the foot off the gas for some reason

GavRedKing · 17-09-2014 11:10pm

Cescs miss is right up there with the worse of them but it was on his left leg. Drogba had a lot of time, a quicker, younger, CF controls it in one touch and its a goal, Drogba let it get away and he never caught up with it to set himself but thats what ya get from a 36year old.

rottie 11 · 17-09-2014 11:13pm

And our goal shouldn have evena counted as it was a late tackle by cesc

hots · 17-09-2014 11:23pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

Ivan at cb?

Dave to rb would sort that

Not a big fan of him there either really, definitely give zouma all the cup games anyway!

GavRedKing · 17-09-2014 11:30pm

hobbit of the shire wrote: »

Not a big fan of him there either really, definitely give zouma all the cup games anyway!

Ya im not either but himself and kalas have a clean sheet at Anfield that was hard fought. If hes needed he can play there but away to city you can nearly pick the team tonight, barring injuries its going to be

Courtois
Ivan Cahill JT Azp
Ramires Matic Cesc
Schurrle Costa Hazard

Maybe willian for schurrle is the only change

MaroonAndGreen · 18-09-2014 12:26am

Disappointing result tonight, probably didnt pay Schalke enough respect as I feared might happen..

Killinator · 18-09-2014 1:25am

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Disappointing result tonight, probably didnt pay Schalke enough respect as I feared might happen..

Along as it grounds the team it could be a positive,
All this talk of us steam rolling everyone has being getting out of hand so a 'minor setback' like tonight could be just what's needed to focus minds for Saturday.

Essien · 18-09-2014 8:02am

There was a stink of last season off that performance.

However, as killinator said, grounding the team in this manner can be seen as a positive. At least it's in the first game of the group when we have heaps of time to recover.

GavRedKing · 18-09-2014 8:19am

If it grounds the team then I'm all for it.

As being said, talk of us walking through teams after only 4 decent games in the league was very premature.

If we lose on Sunday it could start off a chain reaction of poor results and morale so 4 wins from 4 looks good on paper now but our most difficult away match of the domestic season is coming fast on Sunday.

City had a much more difficult test last night in Munich and only lost 1-0, no idea how they played.

grumpymunster · 18-09-2014 9:17am

What we must take from last night is Drogba is not a starter, he should be used as a WMD in the last 15 or 20 minutes.

Hazard is slowly getting up to speed and looking good.

Cesc and Matic have not settled together yet.

We have to find room for Luis in the team he can deliver some cross that chap beautiful delivery of a ball.

We definitely have a problem at CB which needs to be addressed soon.

GavRedKing · 18-09-2014 9:27am

grumpymunster wrote: »

What we must take from last night is Drogba is not a starter, he should be used as a WMD in the last 15 or 20 minutes.

Hazard is slowly getting up to speed and looking good

I think he has some way to go to becoming the great Jose thinks he can become, hes a joy to watch when in full flow but he needs to influence a game for longer than 2 min cameos at a go.

Cesc and Matic have not settled together yet.

Ya, they're still trying figure each other out as a pair, Cesc is better used up the field IMO, and I'd play Ramries and Matic together with Cesc as a number 10.

We have to find room for Luis in the team he can deliver some cross that chap beautiful delivery of a ball.

Yup, him at LB offered us another threat at FB that Azpilicueta just doesnt, some of his crosses were pretty good last night, hopefully its a matter of time before he gets in.

We definitely have a problem at CB which needs to be addressed soon.

Ya, although I think it was touched on alst night, Courtois being new to the back line, he maybe not commanding that part of the back line well enough at the moment, rest of Courtois game is pretty top notch but maybe its something that will come with time. As the games go on its look likely that JT wont be around much longer, IMO.

GavRedKing · 18-09-2014 9:46am

I forgot JT had one cleared off the line too.

All in all its 2 pts dropped but we lsot last year to Salah and Basle in the opening game too and won the group.

We have it in us to go and win the group regardless of the draw but it will be a bit tougher now.

MaroonAndGreen · 18-09-2014 10:16am

GavRedKing wrote: »

I forgot JT had one cleared off the line too.

All in all its 2 pts dropped but we lsot last year to Salah and Basle in the opening game too and won the group.

We have it in us to go and win the group regardless of the draw but it will be a bit tougher now.

Now we have to win 2 of our 3 away games or else we more than likely wont top the group..

13 points guarantees top spot, thats 4 wins from our remaining 5..

GavRedKing · 18-09-2014 10:26am

I thought Maribor woudl be the whipping boys, the may very well become that but the point at home to Sporting means as we go to game week 2 its all to play for.

We've sporting away next and had they won last night theyre would have been big pressure on us to go their and win as it stands we still have to win of course but we dont have the threat of them going 5pt clear of us in the group.

anyway, I'd have happily lost last night if it means we win on Sunday, its all about the league this year for me and I'd get k/o'd in the group stages and finish 4th in the group if it means we win the EPL.

GavRedKing · 18-09-2014 11:07am

This is what i want to see on Sunday

Courtois
Ivan Cahill JT Luis
Matic Ramires
Schurrle Cesc Hazard
Costa

What we'll probably see

Courtois
Ivan Cahill JT Azp
Matic Cesc
Ramires Willian Hazard
Costa

duploelabs · 18-09-2014 11:16am

GavRedKing wrote: »

This is what i want to see on Sunday

Courtois
Ivan Cahill JT Luis
Matic Ramires
Schurrle Cesc Hazard
Costa

What we'll probably see

Courtois
Ivan Cahill JT Azp
Matic Cesc
Ramires Willian Hazard
Costa

The latter ain't so bad, Willian did very well at 10 against Everton

peteeeed · 18-09-2014 11:20am

GavRedKing wrote: »

I forgot JT had one cleared off the line too.

All in all its 2 pts dropped but we lsot last year to Salah and Basle in the opening game too and won the group.

We have it in us to go and win the group regardless of the draw but it will be a bit tougher now.

the only real problem i saw last night was drogba was left on way too long . game got a bit to open at 1-0 but if costa had of been for the whole game he would have had a field day , we didn't exploit what looked like a very dodgy keeper

GavRedKing · 18-09-2014 11:20am

duploelabs wrote: »

The latter ain't so bad, Willian did very well at 10 against Everton

The latter gives us an opportunity to go for an inverted 4-3-3 without the ball and a 4-2-3-1 on the counter, even though Ramries is down as winger, he'll spend all his time without the ball tucking into CM and when we have it spring to the right side of centre of the pitch, Jose likes him in that system for big games.

If Ramries is slow to the punch Willian can drift from centre, to the side of Costa for support, while Hazard stays wide left.

GavRedKing · 18-09-2014 11:22am

peteeeed wrote: »

the only real problem i saw last night was drogba was left on way too long . game got a bit to open at 1-0 but if costa had of been for the whole game he would have had a field day , we didn't exploit what looked like a very dodgy keeper

Ya, had Remy started I reckon he'd have had a goal or two, same for Costa.

Drogba should have been whipped after 55mins at the most and even if he had been taken off at HT, there'd have been no problem with it.

Pray that costa doesnt get injured as all I say.

MaroonAndGreen · 18-09-2014 3:41pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

This is what i want to see on Sunday

Courtois
Ivan Cahill JT Luis
Matic Ramires
Schurrle Cesc Hazard
Costa

What we'll probably see

Courtois
Ivan Cahill JT Azp
Matic Cesc
Ramires Willian Hazard
Costa

Id also rather the latter I think. I don't think we should be going to the Etihad with attack foremost in mind... We need to try and replicate last season's performance there. That performance again will be good enough for a point at least IMO.

The difference in personnel would be Cesc for Luiz and Costa for Etoo. Cesc IMO is probably not capable of producing a David Luiz performance of power and solidity in the centre in fairness so maybe we do need to think more with attack in mind....

And of course with Costa we always have a chance of a goal no matter how its going.

A point would be HUGE for us, its an absolute must win for City I think, 5 points behind... if it was the other way around and City were coming to the Bridge we'd be saying we need to win!

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