Violence before Armagh Cavan game

tayto lover

Tom Joad wrote: »

Grimley's comments are laughable - it was clearly planned. However if the rumours are true that a Cavan player kicked McKeever when he was on the ground i'll be the first to ask for a long ban for him no matter who he is.

What has Grimley to say? Can't find any link.

copacetic

tayto lover wrote: »

RTE making sure we won't see too much.
As usual they are going to skirt around the issues in Armagh.
The Ulster game on last again.
Thank God the BBC will have next week's game.

It's one of the the smallest games in a very busy weekend you hardly move it up to top billing because of a stupid scrap and the fight was featured at reasonable length on the 9 O'Clock news and the report was promoted on twitter in advance so it certainly wasted skirted around? They also said on the news to see more coverage of it on the Sunday Game.

Since they know loads of people are waiting to see it also of course it ends up toward the end!

Tom Joad

tayto lover wrote: »

What has Grimley to say? Can't find any link.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/gaelic-games/27754620

However, Armagh manager Paul Grimley claimed the incidents were "nothing really serious" and denied that his players had "crossed a line".

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"Whenever you get 15 boys hyped up and they are training so hard and the tempo and the aggro is there, the adrenaline is flowing, you are going to get wee tiffs like that. But that's all it was," Grimley told BBC Sport Northern Ireland.
Asked about the possibility that suspensions could be imposed on his squad following Sunday's pre-match incidents, Grimley replied::"We'll have to wait and see what happens but from what I saw, there were 30 players involved in it. Are they going to suspend them all?
"I wouldn't make a bigger thing than it actually is. It was dusted off off. That was it."
Grimley said he was "unaware" of the suggestion that the brawl had started after Armagh stood behind the Cavan flag during the pre-match parade.
"If that did happen, it was a genuine mistake," added the Armagh

yop

I haven't seen it except for the video here, what was on the Sunday game there and reading what has been said on the news, my initial thought were if you had kids standing watching it and you had the band running for cover then without a doubt a full season ban needs to be handed out to both teams.
If lads want to get "physical" during the game then fair enough, but not when you have young people in the band in front of them and young kids, who generally sit or stand along the wire at the side of the pitch.
We have tried to clean the game up with the black card, we don't need this thuggish behavior

Grimley was embarrassing in that interview.

Boom__Boom

Tom Joad wrote: »

Grimley's comments are not helpful - at least Terry Hyland has accepted what happened is wrong.

I know I have a hell of a lot more respect for Hyland compared to Grimley after their comments.

Grimley saying "there were 30 players involved in it. Are they going to suspend them all?" pretty much proves my point that players/teams know they can act like this and get away with it.

copacetic

yop wrote: »

I haven't seen it except for the video here, what was on the Sunday game there and reading what has been said on the news, my initial thought were if you had kids standing watching it and you had the band running for cover then without a doubt a full season ban needs to be handed out to both teams.
If lads want to get "physical" during the game then fair enough, but not when you have young people in the band in front of them and young kids, who generally sit or stand along the wire at the side of the pitch.
We have tried to clean the game up with the black card, we don't need this thuggish behavior

Grimley was embarrassing in that interview.

Actually hadn't seen the second bit where the line up again and again fight over where to line up and an Armagh player pushes a Cavan player into the back of the poor girl who is supposed to carry the flag in front of them.

It's cowardly and dangerous. She had to be pulled away by another band member for her safety. If you can't be safe on a GAA pitch before the game doing a simple honourable job then we have gone badly wrong somewhere.

ardmacha

Ciarán Whelan nailed it on the Sunday Game. The home team normally walks closest to the stand and get the flag carriers to switch around. Armagh were nearest the band and they headed for the stand side, leaving an easy and uncontroversial gap for Cavan to slot into the other side and switch the flags. Cavan then piled into the Armagh players.

Hitchens

what is it with flags in this gaff anyway?

tayto lover

Anyone see what happened to Dunne's arm? Apparently it's broken. Shocking behaviour.

Tom Joad

Lets just hope that this is investigated fully and punishment is handed out where it is deserved but based on the video footage that we have seen so far it's hard to see how that can happen. Hopefully there is other footage available to show the entire thing and what happened Martin Dunne.

Pdoghue

Really depressing to see the reaction from the panelists on the The Sunday Game. First of all O'Se and Whelan made a joke how they would never get involved in that kind of stuff. Then they said it was only silly stuff. Then finally O'Se says there was no footage of the injury and that there probably wouldn't be any suspensions. Typical ambivalence towards this kind of stuff.

Lemlin

ardmacha wrote: »

Ciarán Whelan nailed it on the Sunday Game. The home team normally walks closest to the stand and get the flag carriers to switch around. Armagh were nearest the band and they headed for the stand side, leaving an easy and uncontroversial gap for Cavan to slot into the other side and switch the flags. Cavan then piled into the Armagh players.

Why didn't McKeever ask the flag carrier to move then? He was first to line-up. I didn't see him say anything to the carrier.

He also attempted to continue to stand there after the initial row until Grimley told him to move.

tayto lover

Pdoghue wrote: »

Really depressing to see the reaction from the panelists on the The Sunday Game. First of all O'Se and Whelan made a joke how they would never get involved in that kind of stuff. Then they said it was only silly stuff. Then finally O'Se says there was no footage of the injury and that there probably wouldn't be any suspensions. Typical ambivalence towards this kind of stuff.

That's exactly what I expected and probably why they kept it until the last 3 minutes. See no evil etc.

homerjay2005

Pdoghue wrote: »

Really depressing to see the reaction from the panelists on the The Sunday Game. First of all O'Se and Whelan made a joke how they would never get involved in that kind of stuff. Then they said it was only silly stuff. Then finally O'Se says there was no footage of the injury and that there probably wouldn't be any suspensions. Typical ambivalence towards this kind of stuff.

to be honest, it is being made out to be alot worse that it actually was. im sure a few digs were given, but the majority of it was just handbags.

TCDStudent1

Lemlin wrote: »

Why didn't McKeever ask the flag carrier to move then? He was first to line-up. I didn't see him say anything to the carrier.

He also attempted to continue to stand there after the initial row until Grimley told him to move.

An earlier post from Tom Joad who was at the match says McKeever did try to get the flag carrier to move but she wouldnt.

Lets blame her and absolve Armagh & Cavan! :-)

Davys Fits

It doesn't matter what the panellist or managers say. A similar incident happened in Thurles back in 2007 between Clare and Cork known as 'semplegate'. Likewise they tried to make out it was handbag stuff etc etc. Gaa gave 7 Players a months suspension and rightly so and same should happen here.

tayto lover

homerjay2005 wrote: »

to be honest, it is being made out to be alot worse that it actually was. im sure a few digs were given, but the majority of it was just handbags.

Ah ha not enough blood for you then. A player received a broken arm.

squadro

no effort to take this crap out of the gaa. no more gaa for the kids anymore. they are happy to play other sports that promote teamwork and respect for others.

frostyjacks

I think some people need to take off the rose tinted spectacles. This is championship football, and last year Cavan gave Armagh a real roasting, Grimley was torn to shreds after that encounter. So I wasn't totally surprised to see Armagh make a stand today. It was a pity about Dunne getting injured from it, that was the only negative. I'd much rather see two teams tear strips out of each other than some of the sanitised football we've had so far.

Bullettooth

Sky thought it was wwe

ardmacha

I'm sure this was pre-meditated, in that Armagh were told to be on the stand side and headed in that direction. It wasn't up to Armagh players to get the flag carriers to organise themselves properly.

Armagh were standing in an orderly line and Cavan piled in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlrPZKGiqRU

chinguetti

I wonder if the GAA asked Sky Sports to define 'handbags' and 'pushing and shoving' when they were explaining the rules?:rolleyes:

If anything happens (and I doubt anything will), it will be a fine of 5 grand for each county board from the Ulster Council. The GAA will talk all they like about sorting out these silly fights every year but nothing will ever be done. They could solve all this nonsense in one minute, throw both teams out of the championship and let them go down the route of the CCCC and try and defend their stupidity in that fight.

The only time they ever did anything when a melee happened was Cork and Clare in the hurling in 2006 (?) when a fight broke out in front of the primary teams.

Grimley looked like a right fool trying to pretend that nothing happened when a guy ended up with his arm in a sling.

Lemlin

ardmacha wrote: »

I'm sure this was pre-meditated, in that Armagh were told to be on the stand side and headed in that direction. It wasn't up to Armagh players to get the flag carriers to organise themselves properly.

Armagh were standing in an orderly line and Cavan piled in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlrPZKGiqRU

I expect a very unbiased opinion from someone with the username ardmacha....

copacetic

ardmacha wrote: »

I'm sure this was pre-meditated, in that Armagh were told to be on the stand side and headed in that direction. It wasn't up to Armagh players to get the flag carriers to organise themselves properly.

Armagh were standing in an orderly line and Cavan piled in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlrPZKGiqRU

No, clearly what they should do is line up behind the Cavan flag precipitating a fight and barge in to young children as if they weren't there. Grand. Then someone should without meaning to of course put Cavans best player out of the game.

Afterward they should attempt to do the same thing again like children, barge a Cavan player into the poor flag carrier again so she has to be pulled put of the way by another child, then refuse to move for the ref until there own manager makes them.

All perfectly reasonable.

frostyjacks

chinguetti wrote: »

Grimley looked like a right fool trying to pretend that nothing happened when a guy ended up with his arm in a sling.

I think Grimley would much prefer this flak compared to what he was on the receiving end of last year when they lost.

TCDStudent1

For the posters condemning these scenes,

What would you have done if you were in Cavan's shoes?

It is very similar to the Mayo - Dublin scenario a few years ago. Or the Ireland - England rugby match when Martin Johnson stood on the Ireland end. In those instances, I think Dublin had to go up to the hill to confront Mayo. Psychologically, they could allow Mayo get the upper hand there. In the rugby game, I remember thinking Ireland should have stood directly in front of England where they were supposed to stand. Instead, O'Driscoll made Ireland stand on the grass, not on the red carpet which I felt was a mistake at the time.

Looking at that brief youtube video (I missed the Sundat Game), I can kinda see why Cavan reacted in the way they did.

Question for people at the game: Was there an inkling there was gonna be trouble as Cavan walked over?

Frankie Lee

ardmacha wrote: »

I'm sure this was pre-meditated, in that Armagh were told to be on the stand side and headed in that direction. It wasn't up to Armagh players to get the flag carriers to organise themselves properly.

Armagh were standing in an orderly line and Cavan piled in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlrPZKGiqRU

In fairness it looks like the Cavan players who instigated the scuffle there. It could be argued that it was silly for Armagh to line up behind the Cavan flag but Cavan should have had the leaders to ignore silly mind games.

onlyme!

They didn't do much of that against the aussies when they played them and things got rough!

Dirty Dingus McGee

squadro wrote: »

no effort to take this crap out of the gaa. no more gaa for the kids anymore. they are happy to play other sports that promote teamwork and respect for others.

No more GAA for Kids anymore?

I'm pretty sure there are kids teams up and down the country.

The scenes today weren't nice but I'd be pretty sure that some suspensions will be handed out and, this is the first time in a long while a scuffle like this has broke out at an intercounty match so less of the hyperbole please.

ardmacha

My point is that Armagh did not line up behind the Cavan flag as a wind up, but because they went to the position they were supposed to and Cavan flag was in the wrong place. If the Cavan flag was in the correct outside position and Armagh lined up there , that would be odd, but that did not happen.

As for Cavan's best player being out of the game, who knows what happened there, he was with those that started the hassle and perhaps he should simply have stayed away.