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No Man's Sky
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Just in case anyone is interested the soundtrack is streaming here.
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MilesMorales1 wrote: »I have it pre ordered with The Game Collection for £36, so I'm hopeful they'll be dispatching tomorrow or Saturday.
Likewise. I pre-ordered MGS-V with them and I got it a day early. That was also a midweek release.
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Ace Attorney wrote: »Brought a ps4 yesterday, really looking forward to exploring in this.
Careful with that enthusiasm now. It's been decided this game is a let down based on some lad spending a grand on an early retail copy & *gasp* it has a day one patch!0 -
Help me out here in my line of thinking.
The procedural generation involved in making this game is over and done with, right?
This was used to create the universe initially, and we are about to explore that now static (but possibly evolving) universe from the time the game launches?
I've never gotten an answer to the above, if one actually exists yet 0 -
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marcbrophy wrote: »Help me out here in my line of thinking.
The procedural generation involved in making this game is over and done with, right?
This was used to create the universe initially, and we are about to explore that now static (but possibly evolving) universe from the time the game launches?
I've never gotten an answer to the above, if one actually exists yet
My understanding of procedural generation is the instance isn't generated until a player enters it and then once a player has been there the instance remains static so if another player visits it will be the same for them. Whether that's how NMS is approaching it I can't say but if the game universe is as big as they say then I'd be surprised if it's all already static.0 -
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marcbrophy wrote: »Help me out here in my line of thinking.
The procedural generation involved in making this game is over and done with, right?
This was used to create the universe initially, and we are about to explore that now static (but possibly evolving) universe from the time the game launches?
I've never gotten an answer to the above, if one actually exists yet
Procedural generation boils down to a mathematical formula. It's an algorithm that takes an input (say, some numbers) and produces an output (say, a planet). Take a simple maths function like:
f(x,y) = 2x + y
Let's say you arrive at a planet and it's coordinates are (1,1), then the planet will be:
2*1 + 1 = 3
Then you go to the next planet and its coordinates are (5,7), that planet will be:
2*5 + 7 = 17
Now replace the simple maths function with an complex algorithm that produces terrain and you have Minecraft. Throw in some plants and animals and you have No Man's Sky.
So in answer to your question, the procedural generation is not 'done'; the algorithms are. The actual generation happens on the fly as you travel through the world. When you leave, it disappears and is generated again when someone else arrives, but it will be exactly the same as it was for you because it uses the same input and algorithm.0 -
I think when the game when gold that was the case,but any updates etc would probably to to with trading,weapon damage etc? im totally guessing btw..
Also i reckon the universe that the leaker played is not going to be the same as the one on release day,which is why people may have been speculating that it was a developer copy that the guy bought..
Ah I see, a kind of smaller place for devs to perfect maths formulas on generation techniques or even for reviewers to root around in, without it taking reviewers 200 hours to reach an end game!My understanding of procedural generation is the instance isn't generated until a player enters it and then once a player has been there the instance remains static so if another player visits it will be the same for them. Whether that's how NMS is approaching it I can't say but if the game universe is as big as they say then I'd be surprised if it's all already static.
That makes a lot more sense actually, I can get my head around that
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Maximus Alexander wrote: »Procedural generation boils down to a mathematical formula. It's an algorithm that takes an input (say, some numbers) and produces an output (say, a planet). Take a simple maths function like:
f(x,y) = 2x + y
Let's say you arrive at a planet and it's coordinates are (1,1), then the planet will be:
2*1 + 1 = 3
Then you go to the next planet and its coordinates are (5,7), that planet will be:
2*5 + 7 = 17
Now replace the simple maths function with an complex algorithm that produces terrain and you have Minecraft. Throw in some plants and animals and you have No Man's Sky.
So in answer to your question, the procedural generation is not 'done'; the algorithms are. The actual generation happens on the fly as you travel through the world. When you leave, it disappears and is generated again when someone else arrives, but it will be exactly the same as it was for you because it uses the same input and algorithm.
The last paragraph is what had me scratching my noodle!
If I am in a place that has been created soley by me being there, does it add to the overall universe piece by piece as players spread out and explore.
If I visit a location ABC and I'm the first to visit, I am generating that location for everyone after me (if any) that go there. If I then visit a location XYZ that another player has named, will I see what they saw when they were there?
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marcbrophy wrote: »The last paragraph is what had me scratching my noodle!
If I am in a place that has been created soley by me being there, does it add to the overall universe piece by piece as players spread out and explore.
If I visit a location ABC and I'm the first to visit, I am generating that location for everyone after me (if any) that go there. If I then visit a location XYZ that another player has named, will I see what they saw when they were there?
I think I have figured it out now
It's not that you're generating it for everyone. It just gets generated by the algorithm because you're there. Then when you leave it's destroyed, only to be generated again when the next person arrives. Just as with the mathematical function above, it will give the same result every time so it doesn't need to be stored anywhere. In fact, this is what allows for such a big universe; it wouldn't be possible to stored all that data. Generating procedurally means that you don't have to.
Things like names of creatures can just be added on afterwards. So -> Arrive at location -> Run algorithm to generate planets and wildlife -> Check the central database to see if any names have been stored for this location -> Leave location -> Delete everything.0 -
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Maximus Alexander wrote: »Procedural generation boils down to a mathematical formula. It's an algorithm that takes an input (say, some numbers) and produces an output (say, a planet). Take a simple maths function like:
f(x,y) = 2x + y
Let's say you arrive at a planet and it's coordinates are (1,1), then the planet will be:
2*1 + 1 = 3
Then you go to the next planet and its coordinates are (5,7), that planet will be:
2*5 + 7 = 17
Now replace the simple maths function with an complex algorithm that produces terrain and you have Minecraft. Throw in some plants and animals and you have No Man's Sky.
So in answer to your question, the procedural generation is not 'done'; the algorithms are. The actual generation happens on the fly as you travel through the world. When you leave, it disappears and is generated again when someone else arrives, but it will be exactly the same as it was for you because it uses the same input and algorithm.
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Maximus Alexander wrote: »It's not that you're generating it for everyone. It just gets generated by the algorithm because you're there. Then when you leave it's destroyed, only to be generated again when the next person arrives. Just as with the mathematical function above, it will give the same result every time so it doesn't need to be stored anywhere. In fact, this is what allows for such a big universe; it wouldn't be possible to stored all that data. Generating procedurally means that you don't have to.
Things like names of creatures can just be added on afterwards. So -> Arrive at location -> Run algorithm to generate planets and wildlife -> Check the central database to see if any names have been stored for this location -> Leave location -> Delete everything.
Beautiful stuff!
Well explained 0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AWX54C49pw
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