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No Man's Sky
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I get the feeling this is too little too late. The hype has died down and I don't see this generating much added interest unless they can drastically overhaul the core game loop which doesn't really seem to support base creation the way it is right now.
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Oh, I am sorry. I wasn't aware I had to purchase the game to be entitled to give my opinion on the matterFailsafe, you haven't bought the game?
Then how come your voice is the loudest and most adamant that reparations be made, sack cloth and ashes, cross carrying or whatever other misery you care to heap upon Hello Games and Sean Murray in particular?
Wow, I thought at least you have invested along with the rest of us and so had a horse in the race and reason to be upset with your investment.
Instead, what, you had a go and have been feeding the sense of persecution ever since?
Have to say, that's disappointing.
I have a heart so watching gamers being mislead, getting conned out of their money and then completely ignored for over 3 months is not something I take lightly.
I like to think of myself as the voice of the silent majority. Not everyone can express their opinion and deal with the barrage of opposing comments :cool:
Its not just purchasers that are effected. It has great implications on the games industry. What about indie game developers seeking investment in their projects. Thanks to Sean Murray that task is going to be much more difficult.
Sean Murray should have blazed a trail for other indie devs to follow. Instead he damaged the indie game development community.0 -
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FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »Oh, I am sorry. I wasn't aware I had to purchase the game to be entitled to give my opinion on the matter
I have a heart so watching gamers being mislead, getting conned out of their money and then completely ignored for over 3 months is not something I take lightly.
I like to think of myself as the voice of the silent majority. Not everyone can express their opinion and deal with the barrage of opposing comments :cool:
Its not just purchasers that are effected. It has great implications on the games industry. What about indie game developers seeking investment in their projects. Thanks to Sean Murray that task is going to be much more difficult.
Sean Murray should have blazed a trail for other indie devs to follow. Instead he damaged the indie game development community.
Ah, so you're the white knight no one asked for, wanted nor needed.
You can have an opinion sure, but your inflated sense of persecution on behalf of others isn't exactly valid. You didn't invest your money like others did, nor the time.
You played the game, great. Its not the same as investing time and money like others have.
You say not everyone can express their opinion and deal with the barrage? I say no one wants the attention like you do.0 -
You don't think you have to have played the game in order to form an opinion on it?FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »Oh, I am sorry. I wasn't aware I had to purchase the game to be entitled to give my opinion on the matter
Do you? Good for you. I'm sure they're all very grateful.I like to think of myself as the voice of the silent majority.
According to Steamspy, there's 700,000 owners on Steam alone. It sold exceedingly well. If I was an investor I'd probably be fairly pleased. It certainly wouldn't put me off investing in indie games in the future.Its not just purchasers that are effected. It has great implications on the games industry. What about indie game developers seeking investment in their projects. Thanks to Sean Murray that task is going to be much more difficult.
Sean Murray should have blazed a trail for other indie devs to follow. Instead he damaged the indie game development community.0 -
About the gameplay itself absolutely and I have played about 30 hours of it. I just didn't purchase it. Imagine how upset I'd be if I paid for itYou don't think you have to have played the game in order to form an opinion on it?
We are not talking the contents of the game though. We are talking about the content that never made it into the game. This was critical content that No mans sky was heavily marketed on. Even the overall picture that was painted as a No mans sky experience was completely misleading.According to Steamspy, there's 700,000 owners on Steam alone. It sold exceedingly well. If I was an investor I'd probably be fairly pleased. It certainly wouldn't put me off investing in indie games in the future.
Here is another metric you forgot on Steam. The reviews.
Overwhelmingly Negative (5,363 reviews)
OVERALL: Mostly Negative (78,731 reviews)
Having worked with investors I can give you some insight to investment. An investor isn't looking at one game/one product. They want an investment that pays off in the long term. If they invest in a studio they want the next 10 years of game production to yield good results. You can imagine how the failure of no mans sky would effect their investment value by itself. If they had shares in Hello Games how valuable would those shares be now..... very little I'd say.0 -
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No agenda here and i couldnt give two hoots about GG and that part of the internet.
Ill rephrase it,some people have their pitchforks out with no other reason than being the 'defender of the silent majority'. They have no interst in playing the game or spending money on it but only in bashing it from afar. While all the time thinking they are protecting a silent minority.
You added the word defender. I just stated I was posting an opinion that aligns with the silent majority.
Your theory is all wrong but thats hardly a surprise. Do you really think the only critics of Hello Games dodgy business practices and No mans sky gameplay would be
A) People who are not interested in NMS.
People who wouldn't have spent money on it.
I have played NMS for 30 hours and I was a potential customer waiting to buy. As a potential customer I wanted to see an acknowledgement from Sean Murray that they had messed up and a content plan for the remainder of 2016/2017 and an appropriate price. Not much to ask for really. I wasn't looking for him to dragged by a horse down O'Connell street
As I said before its too easy to label people in a group to discredit their opinion. That would be like me claiming that everyone who bought No Mans Sky is suffering from 'NMS Stockholm Syndrome'0 -
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Landed on a completely barren planet earlier. One of the smaller details in the Foundation update is that music doesn't play when you're on dead planets. It's a minor change compared to some of the completely new systems introduced, but it actually really helps amplify (or should I say quieten) one of the things I've loved about this game - that sense of utter isolation and loneliness. I've possibly likened it to a hiking simulator before (albeit hiking with intergalactic space travel) and that never felt clearer then on this totally deserted planet. With the vague hum of wind the only soundtrack, it really does capture that feeling of being totally alone on in an overwhelming vast space. For me it's great relaxed gaming - no worries about an overarching goal, only minimal effort needed for basic survival, and always countless new galaxies and planets to take a chance on. (Also think the ability to leave other explorers messages is a welcome touch and another of the sort of more passive multiplayer elements that IMO Hello always seemed to aiming for).
The planets themselves continue to impress, and definite improvements to the rendering help. Beyond the hyper-outrage, beyond the legitimate disappointment, beyond even the frustrating systems, No Man's Sky is still able to offer up some of the most beautiful views in all of gaming. I've already come across a few planets that feel notably lusher and more densely packed with foliage or animals in the new patch. That these landscapes have been generated randomly - albeit by an obviously artful and considered rule set & asset base - makes them feel more meaningful and, well, alien. Procedural generation this aesthetically fetching, confident and consistent will hopefully be one of the lasting legacies of No Man's Sky to be built on and adapted for other sorts of experiences. Particularly impressed with this snowy planet I stumbled across:
If this update made the planets themselves much lonelier, the opposite is true for the 'social hubs' - and that's also to be welcomed. There's only a couple more aliens hanging around space stations now, but that makes a big difference in making them feel more alive. When I arrived in one new galaxy I was thrown straight into a space battle surrounding a huge fleet. When the fighters where down, I got summoned by one of the freighter's captains and was given some handy resources as a reward. Again, a relatively short sequence but something that helps further enhance that sense of pulpy, epic science-fiction Hello have definitely been aiming for from the off.
The core gameplay loop undoubtedly remains similar in normal mode, but the enhancements both small and more significant go a notable distance towards addressing flaws while enhancing existing strengths. I can't imagine myself spending more than a couple of sessions more with foundation alone, but it definitely gives it a shakeup and plenty of reason of confidence about the future direction of the game (I see the code-diggers have already uncovered references to space buggies - yes please) 0 -
FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »You added the word defender. I just stated I was posting an opinion that aligns with the silent majority.
Your theory is all wrong but thats hardly a surprise. Do you really think the only critics of Hello Games dodgy business practices and No mans sky gameplay would be
A) People who are not interested in NMS. People who wouldn't have spent money on it.
I have played NMS for 30 hours and I was a potential customer waiting to buy. As a potential customer I wanted to see an acknowledgement from Sean Murray that they had messed up and a content plan for the remainder of 2016/2017 and an appropriate price. Not much to ask for really. I wasn't looking for him to dragged by a horse down O'Connell street
As I said before its too easy to label people in a group to discredit their opinion. That would be like me claiming that everyone who bought No Mans Sky is suffering from 'NMS Stockholm Syndrome'
I didnt imply that people who havent bought/played the game cant have an opinion on it,in fact i said that of course people are entitled to their opinion regardless of their level of investment in the game.
What i did say was the indignation from some posters who havent bought or played the game was over the top.
Id agree the game could have done with what your saying there,the lack of a roadmap was troubling. Until yesterday i didnt know if the game i paid €60 for was going to get any updates at all. Which is obviously not a good thing and id agree hello games are to blame there. Then again i can see why they didnt say anything,theres such a negativity around the game now,some of that is also well desrved...but no matter what they said it was never going to be enough for some. So they decided to say nothing and work on the game and come out with something to say when they also had something to show. At least with this update there was no over representing as they didnt talk about it till it was out. Which is an approach i can get behind.0 -
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At least with this update there was no over representing as they didnt talk about it till it was out. Which is an approach i can get behind.
Yep, there's a lot to be said for the approach, especially given the toxicity surrounding the game. Imagine they'd announced plans earlier on, and in the course of standard development they realised certain features weren't feasible and had to drop, delay or change them. One of the main criticisms directed their way was overpromising, and while lack of communication is undoubtedly frustrating, at the same time there's plenty to be said about delivering updates that contain exactly what they say it will. Action counts more than mere words, after all 0 -
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