Hero dad charged with murder

Hitchens

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653218/Alabama-father-charged-murder-gunning-sex-offender-molested-7-year-old-daughter-2001.html

It's against the law to kill somebody, but in this case is it morally wrong?

Witcher

Something seems to have set him off...he'd known about it for years. Tried to kill someone else too.

humanji

Why is he a hero?

MagicIRL

Why did he shoot his daughter's current boyfriend? I can understand the rage towards the kiddyfiddler, but the boyfriend?

Super-Rush

Hero?

Really?

anncoates

I have kids so I'm not going to completely condemn him but he's not a hero.

It's just a sad situation overall.

efb

I read the headline knew it would be a Daily Mail link

eviltwin

Why shoot his daughters boyfriend? Nothing heroic about killing anyone regardless of who they are.

Donkey Oaty

Never mind the article - the comments are seething with righteous indignation, calling for the killer to be awarded a medal.

This one, however:

Its more important to be their for your child if you are in prison you cant help them

- gets a hefty thumbs down from the mob.

It's also unclear if some DM readers have grasped the complexity of the US justice system, like this guy (29 "likes" so far, zero "dislikes")

As a father to three young ladies of 10, 5, and 1 yr old, I volunteer to do the first year in jail for him if he gets any jail time.

kowloon

Given that he tried to kill someone else too I'm not sure he'll get much sympathy. They're not big fans of people who go on shooting rampages over there at the moment.

The King of Moo

He's been charged with murder because of all the murder he did.

snaphook

Beat him up if he likes.

But shooting?

"Coward Dad" more apt.

jellyboy

Two wrongs don't make a right ….

Knex*

A lot of them seem to think he acted on the spur of the moment, which he didn't.

It appears that he waited for a number of years before carrying out the murder. So the below comment, among many, is a little off.

Now try to find a jury to convict him. Good luck.

Seems like premeditated murder to me.

There's a lot of this crap too.

I think most decent fathers would do the same

buck65

I didn't actually read the article at all.

humanji

Knex. wrote: »

A lot of them seem to think he acted on the spur of the moment, which he didn't.

It appears that he waited for a number of years before carrying out the murder. So the below comment, among many, is a little off.


Seems like premeditated murder to me.

There's a lot of this crap too.

To be honest, it comes across more as a psychotic episode. Possibly the boyfriend did something to his daughter (not necessarily bad, just something that ticked off the dad who had a history of violence). The dad snaps, takes a few shots at the boyfriend and then remembers the man who hurt his daughter the most and guns him down. Pure conjecture on my part, but that's the kind of thing that it seems like to me.

desultory

humanji wrote: »

Why is he a hero?

For killing a paedophile I'd guess.

Edit: and for future questioning yes I do believe paedophilia is much much worse than the murder of said paedophilles.

suicide_circus

It's premeditated murder no doubt but your man got what was coming to him.

humanji

desultory wrote: »

For killing a paedophile I'd guess.

Edit: and for future questioning yes I do believe paedophilia is much much worse than the murder of said paedophilles.

I'd probably be of the same mindset (hopefully never have to fully decide). I was just confused by the hero part. I was wondering if there was more to the story like the guy was a war vet, or had saved the daughter the first time.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Very sad situation. The girl will lose her dad to prison. I actually think he should be let off. I can't even begin to understand the anger he felt.

goat2

Hitchens wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653218/Alabama-father-charged-murder-gunning-sex-offender-molested-7-year-old-daughter-2001.html

It's against the law to kill somebody, but in this case is it morally wrong?

he was a witness against the victim years earlier, in the case, and waited all these yrs to take out his revenge,
also i am wondering why he went after his step daughters boyfriend also,

eviltwin

As a parent I can understand his anger however as an abuse survivor I can also understand that for his daughter this action does little to help her recovery and possibly will set her back now her father is possibly going to go to jail.

old hippy

Hitchens wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653218/Alabama-father-charged-murder-gunning-sex-offender-molested-7-year-old-daughter-2001.html

It's against the law to kill somebody, but in this case is it morally wrong?

Murder is wrong, whether carried out by the individual or the state. It cannot be justified. Ever.

Maximus Alexander

buck65 wrote: »

I didn't actually read the article at all.

Same. I'd like to be involved in this discussion, but there is some strange repulsive force being given off by the link which won't allow my finger to click it.

RobbieTheRobber

buck65 wrote: »

I didn't actually read the article at all.

I never read articles on the daily mail mainly because i get distracted by the pictures and any more words get in the way of my outrage after reading the headline usually.

solomafioso

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI

diomed

If you shoot someone in America you're a hero.

PizzamanIRL

Yeah he shot at his daughter's boyfriend too. He seems like a crazy man. Killing the molester I understand. I can only imagine how much hate and anger you would have towards someone like that.

MarkR

Guy seems to have shot at his daughter's current boyfriend, then, realising he was a bit ****ed, decided he might as well kill the kiddy fiddler. Hung for a lamb etc. Crime of opportunity, it looks like.

aidan24326

desultory wrote: »

For killing a paedophile I'd guess.

Edit: and for future questioning yes I do believe paedophilia is much much worse than the murder of said paedophilles.

There is no crime worse than murder, not even paedophilia.

A rape victim can recover in time, a paedophilia victim can recover, these people can (and many do) go on to live normal lives thereafter. There may be distress and there may be long-term psychological issues but you're still alive and it's a life that in many cases will be well lived. A murder victim has no chance at recovery.

Lock said paedophile up and throw away the key if you like, but killing him is still murder regardless of what he has done.

lertsnim

Hitchens wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653218/Alabama-father-charged-murder-gunning-sex-offender-molested-7-year-old-daughter-2001.html

It's against the law to kill somebody, but in this case is it morally wrong?

Go away with your hero nonsense. He's a murderer regardless of who he killed and he shot at his step daughters boyfriend.

He won't be much good to her in prison. Some hero for sure.

Maphisto

Calling the father a hero reminds me of that episode of the Sopranos where the coach is sleeping with one of Meadow Soprano's team mates.

Sorry if you're not familiar with the series this must seem like the most tiresome post ever.

Anyway Tony Soprano is all set to kill this guy. The Director manipulated the audience in such a way that we were all cheering for Soprano. It's only afterwards you think Huh! I'm cheering for the murderer, extortionist, loan shark ... against a teacher who had a consensual relationship with a pupil (not the greatest of people no doubt but ...)

desultory

aidan24326 wrote: »

There is no crime worse than murder, not even paedophilia.

A rape victim can recover in time, a paedophilia victim can recover, these people can (and many do) go on to live normal lives thereafter. There may be distress and there may be long-term psychological issues but you're still alive and it's a life that in many cases will be well lived. A murder victim has no chance at recovery.

Lock said paedophile up and throw away the key if you like, but killing him is still murder regardless of what he has done.

I don't really care.

stoneill

Look like he shot the elderly love child of Santa and Lotso from toy story 3.

kowloon

desultory wrote: »

I don't really care.

About which bit?

Overheal

Just murder

The sex offender was tried and convicted and carried out his sentence

desultory

kowloon wrote: »

About which bit?

Saying that murdering a paedophile is worse than paedophilia.
I don't believe it is and I really don't care what anyone else has to say on the matter.

Amirani

desultory wrote: »

For killing a paedophile I'd guess.

Edit: and for future questioning yes I do believe paedophilia is much much worse than the murder of said paedophilles.

He tried to kill an innocent person too. He's anything but a hero.

Riddle101

As far as the pedophile goes, I suppose a lot of people would do the same if it was their daughter who was molested, I certainly would. But the other part about the guy shooting at his step-daughter's boyfriend who is innocent is not so admirable.

He's not a hero though, nor would he be even if he just killed the pedophile.

Man In The Nip

I wouldn't call him a hero simply because he also shot at his daughter's boyfriend. Seems to have a few issues.

However, I don't buy into the whole emotive use of 'murder' followed by 'end of', like it's somehow taboo to suggest that there are members of society out there who would be better off to the rest of society, if they ..... well .... just didn't exist.

Muise...

Do you think he'll get Matthew McConnaghey as his lawyer?

Hitchens

Update!


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2654781/Alabama-father-charged-murder-gunning-man-molested-seven-year-old-daughter-2001-gains-support-online.html

humanji

Would you like to provide a little personal input into the topic? Because if you're going to use the site as a news dump, we're going to have to put a stop to it.

old hippy

Man In The Nip wrote: »

I wouldn't call him a hero simply because he also shot at his daughter's boyfriend. Seems to have a few issues.

However, I don't buy into the whole emotive use of 'murder' followed by 'end of', like it's somehow taboo to suggest that there are members of society out there who would be better off to the rest of society, if they ..... well .... just didn't exist.

You mean murder, then?

Little CuChulainn

aidan24326 wrote: »

There is no crime worse than murder, not even paedophilia.

A rape victim can recover in time, a paedophilia victim can recover, these people can (and many do) go on to live normal lives thereafter. There may be distress and there may be long-term psychological issues but you're still alive and it's a life that in many cases will be well lived. A murder victim has no chance at recovery.

Lock said paedophile up and throw away the key if you like, but killing him is still murder regardless of what he has done.

Have to disagree with you there. If you had the option of letting two people out of jail would you let out a rapist or a guy who shot a rapist? Murderers can have good reason, such as the protection of family, whereas rapists and pedophiles have no excuse.

Maphisto

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Have to disagree with you there. If you had the option of letting two people out of jail would you let out a rapist or a guy who shot a rapist? Murderers can have good reason, such as the protection of family, whereas rapists and pedophiles have no excuse.

Good post Little CuChulainn, and if this thread was about that it would be bang on the money. Unfortunately the facts seem to have intervened.

If the guy killed the rapist/kiddy fiddler in hot blood I'd hold a parade for you, but 13 years later and then have a pop at someone else who has pissed on his chips? He is no better, and probably worse than any other criminal.

Like alot of things though the devil is in the detail.

Little CuChulainn

Maphisto wrote: »

Good post Little CuChulainn, and if this thread was about that it would be bang on the money. Unfortunately the facts seem to have intervened.

If the guy killed the rapist/kiddy fiddler in hot blood I'd hold a parade for you, but 13 years later and then have a pop at someone else who has pissed on his chips? He is no better, and probably worse than any other criminal.

Like alot of things though the devil is in the detail.

I was merely responding to the poster who said murder is worse than rape.

Hitchens

Maphisto wrote: »

Good post Little CuChulainn, and if this thread was about that it would be bang on the money. Unfortunately the facts seem to have intervened.

If the guy killed the rapist/kiddy fiddler in hot blood I'd hold a parade for you, but 13 years later and then have a pop at someone else who has pissed on his chips? He is no better, and probably worse than any other criminal.

Like alot of things though the devil is in the detail.

what in your opinion is the time limit meant to be on a baxtard that raped your 7 year old child?

Muise...

Hitchens wrote: »

what in your opinion is the time limit meant to be on a baxtard that raped your 7 year old child?

The time he spent in jail, maybe?

Maphisto

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I was merely responding to the poster who said murder is worse than rape.

The devil is in the detail.

Hitchens wrote: »

what in your opinion is the time limit meant to be on a baxtard that raped your 7 year old child?

For the crime (because lets be clear) to count as "hot blood"? Unless there are extenuating circumstances I'd say no more than 24 hours!

abff

Unless I'm missing something, the word hero doesn't actually appear anywhere in the Daily Mail article. It seems to have been inserted by the OP. How the word hero can be applied to the father under any interpretation of the word is totally beyond me.