Hero dad charged with murder

Hitchens

Maphisto wrote: »

The devil is in the detail.




For the crime (because lets be clear) to count as "hot blood"? Unless there are extenuating circumstances I'd say more than 24 hours!

that means no time limit then?

Hitchens

abff wrote: »

Unless I'm missing something, the word hero doesn't actually appear anywhere in the Daily Mail article. It seems to have been inserted by the OP. How the word hero can be applied to the father under any interpretation of the word is totally beyond me.

if you had been raped at 7 years of age and your dad offed the perp years later I bet he'd be your hero

FunLover18

Hitchens wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653218/Alabama-father-charged-murder-gunning-sex-offender-molested-7-year-old-daughter-2001.html

It's against the law to kill somebody, but in this case is it morally wrong?

Yes.

Maphisto

Hitchens wrote: »

that means no time limit then?

Thanks I'll go and edit my post then :P

abff

Hitchens wrote: »

if you had been raped at 7 years of age and your dad offed the perp years later I bet he'd be your hero

I think I'd probably wonder why he waited so long. And I'd probably also wonder why he shot at my boyfriend.

MadDog76

aidan24326 wrote: »

There is no crime worse than murder, not even paedophilia.

A rape victim can recover in time, a paedophilia victim can recover, these people can (and many do) go on to live normal lives thereafter. There may be distress and there may be long-term psychological issues but you're still alive and it's a life that in many cases will be well lived. A murder victim has no chance at recovery.

Lock said paedophile up and throw away the key if you like, but killing him is still murder regardless of what he has done.

I disagree strongly ........... I can't think of anything worse that a paedophile or anybody who abuses a child in any way whatsoever ........ I don't even see the extermination of this paedophile as murder at all ......... it was justified and necessary in my opinion

The King of Moo

MadDog76 wrote: »

I disagree strongly ........... I can't think of anything worse that a paedophile or anybody who abuses a child in any way whatsoever ........ I don't even see the extermination of this paedophile as murder at all ......... it was justified and necessary in my opinion

Do you intend to murder any paedophiles yourself, or will you leave this "necessary" work to others?

MadDog76

Muise... wrote: »

The time he spent in jail, maybe?

The problem is .......... he didn't do any jail time, he got probabtion

MadDog76

The King of Moo wrote: »

Do you intend to murder any paedophiles yourself, or will you leave this "necessary" work to others?

We all have our roles in life .......... some we choose and some we find ourselves in out of circumstances ......... a soldier during wartime for example.

If I was ever unfortunate enough to knowingly come into contact with one (because of my children or a young relative) then that role may become mine and I wouldn't shy away from it .............

Maphisto

MadDog76 wrote: »

I disagree strongly ........... I can't think of anything worse that a paedophile or anybody who abuses a child in any way whatsoever ........ I don't even see the extermination of this paedophile as murder at all ......... it was justified and necessary in my opinion

Your position is quite simple then? But there are degees of paediphila:

- what about the person (because there are women too) who never acts on their "perversion"?

- the person who just looks at a few pictures, never goes near children?

Kill them all?

Hitchens

Maphisto wrote: »

Your position is quite simple then? But there are degees of paediphila:

- what about the person (because there are women too) who never acts on their "perversion"?

- the person who just looks at a few pictures, never goes near children?

Kill them all?

now that's just the old 'whataboutery', 'one size fits all' fallback

MadDog76

Maphisto wrote: »

Your position is quite simple then? But there are degees of paediphila:

- what about the person (because there are women too) who never acts on their "perversion"?

- the person who just looks at a few pictures, never goes near children?

Kill them all?

If they never act on it (as in no child is actually harmed) then he won't turn up on anybody's radar ........

But if he looks at "a few pictures" then he is guilty of harming a child ........ somebody took those pictures of that real child to sell/share with other paedophiles

Maphisto

Hitchens wrote: »

now that's just the old 'whataboutery', 'one size fits all' fallback

I am not the one advocating

One size fits all = execute pedophiles

MadDog76 wrote: »

If they never act on it (as in no child is actually harmed) then he won't turn up on anybody's radar ........
But if he looks at "a few pictures" then he is guilty of harming a child ........ somebody took those pictures of that real child to sell/share with other paedophiles

I appreciate that children were harmed but they should still be put to death?

The King of Moo

MadDog76 wrote: »

We all have our roles in life .......... some we choose and some we find ourselves in out of circumstances ......... a soldier during wartime for example.

If I was ever unfortunate enough to knowingly come into contact with one (because of my children or a young relative) then that role may become mine and I wouldn't shy away from it .............

Good man yourself Maddog. So if you saw Rolf Harris in the street (assuming he's found guilty) would you murder him, or leave him for the family of one of his victims to murder?

MadDog76

Maphisto wrote: »

I am not the one advocating

One size fits all = execute pedophiles



I appreciate that children were harmed but they should still be put to death?

Yes they should .......... paedophilia is some sort genetic malfunction and the afflicted are too be pitied, there doesn't seem to be any known cure for this disease which is also tragic .......... however my sympathy ends when harm comes to our most vulnerable members of society ....... if a paedophile is killed (by whoever for whatever reason) and that prevents any number of children being harmed in the future then it can only be seen as a good thing.

Let me ask you something .......... why defend them?? Are you or do you know anybody who is (on some "level") a paedophile?

MadDog76

The King of Moo wrote: »

Good man yourself Maddog. So if you saw Rolf Harris in the street (assuming he's found guilty) would you murder him, or leave him for the family of one of his victims to murder?

The honest answer is I don't know what I would do ............ but I do know that I wouldn't shed a tear if he was "murdered" .......... if the law won't lock a convicted paedophile away for life to protect children then his victims (family and friends of victims are also victims) may feel obliged to take the law into their own hands and I can't/won't condemn them for it

Maphisto

MadDog76 wrote: »

Yes they should .......... paedophilia is some sort genetic malfunction and the afflicted are too be pitied, there doesn't seem to be any known cure for this disease which is also tragic .......... however my sympathy ends when harm comes to our most vulnerable members of society ....... if a paedophile is killed (by whoever for whatever reason) and that prevents any number of children being harmed in the future then it can only be seen as a good thing.

Let me ask you something .......... why defend them?? Are you or do you know anybody who is (on some "level") a paedophile?

Wow MadDog Nice Fucking try mate.

I'm not defending them I'm merely trying to hi-light the holes in the "Kill them All" camp's argument. I notice as well that you have rather skirted round the issue there saying if they're killed by happenstance, good luck.

MadDog76

Maphisto wrote: »

Wow MadDog Nice Fucking try mate.

I'm not defending them I'm merely trying to hi-light the holes in the "Kill them All" camp's argument. I notice as well that you have rather skirted round the issue there saying if they're killed by happenstance, good luck.

I'll take it your answer is a no then?

I'm not skirting the issue, I'll say it clearly .......... I don't care who kills a paedophile or why he kills one, the ends justify the means, the result is the same and it's the results I applaud.

Bad people sometimes (accidentally even) do great things!!