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****Leaving Certificate Chemistry [All Levels] Before and After Discussion****

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 913 ✭✭✭MacBizzle


    robman60 wrote: »
    Hi guys,

    I'm going to have to cram desperately tonight, as I've neglected this subject completely.

    If you were to advise me to study four experiments, what would they be? What other sections should I definitely cover in the limited time I have left? I'm definitely not doing Q8 so anything besides that.

    Thanks!

    The bonding, trends and history chapters always come up. Have you all your titrations learned? They shouldn't take more than 30 minutes to learn if you don't. Besides that I'd say soap, ethene/ethyne, and the two rates of reactions experiments.


  • Registered Users Posts: 306 ✭✭chatterboxxx95


    robman60 wrote: »
    Hi guys,

    I'm going to have to cram desperately tonight, as I've neglected this subject completely.

    If you were to advise me to study four experiments, what would they be? What other sections should I definitely cover in the limited time I have left? I'm definitely not doing Q8 so anything besides that.

    Thanks!

    Ammonium iron II sulphate titration, iron tab tirtation (basically all of the theory is the same so half the learning :) )
    Ethene , soap
    Rates of reaction titration with H2O2 and MnO2
    (I know that's five but :pac: )

    If I were you I'd learn equilibrium and rates of reaction, oftern get a question to a question and a half on these two topics and have a glance over fuels.

    If anyone has better predictions for the experiments, feel free to contradict me, I haven't spent much time analysing what has come up what year with chem :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭robman60


    MacBizzle wrote: »
    The bonding, trends and history chapters always come up. Have you all your titrations learned? They shouldn't take more than 30 minutes to learn if you don't. Besides that I'd say soap, ethene/ethyne, and the two rates of reactions experiments.

    I got full marks in Q5 in the mocks and that, Q4, and Q1 are the only ones I like really.

    I like the titrations as I'm good at the maths side, but I never know the colour changes. Is there any place with all the colour changes for our titrations? Our teacher gave us a copy before but I'm sure I've lost it. :(

    I'll definitely be doing the following Qs, so any specific tips would be appreciated. Q1,4,5,6,7. Then I'll have to do another experiment Q and in the mocks the remaining Qs I did were just a matter of picking the best of a bad lot (and avoiding Q8) so if I could cover anything tonight that'd cover me for another question I'll do that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 913 ✭✭✭MacBizzle


    robman60 wrote: »
    I got full marks in Q5 in the mocks and that, Q4, and Q1 are the only ones I like really.

    I like the titrations as I'm good at the maths side, but I never know the colour changes. Is there any place with all the colour changes for our titrations? Our teacher gave us a copy before but I'm sure I've lost it. :(

    I'll definitely be doing the following Qs, so any specific tips would be appreciated. Q1,4,5,6,7. Then I'll have to do another experiment Q and in the mocks the remaining Qs I did were just a matter of picking the best of a bad lot (and avoiding Q8) so if I could cover anything tonight that'd cover me for another question I'll do that.

    Methyl orange = Yellow to red.
    Phenolphthalein = Pink to colourless
    Any of the manganese titrations = Colourless to faint permanent pink.
    EDTA titration = Wine red to blue.
    Bleach = Reddish brown to pale straw yellow, then add starch indicator and it's blue-black to colourless.

    I can't remember the winkler method one off my head :o could he another starch one.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭robman60


    Thanks for the assistance.

    I got a less stress more success book a few months ago which I've barely used. Would I be as well to stick to that for tonight or should I use Chemistry Live textbook too? Sorry for all these annoying questions!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 913 ✭✭✭MacBizzle


    robman60 wrote: »
    Thanks for the assistance.

    I got a less stress more success book a few months ago which I've barely used. Would I be as well to stick to that for tonight or should I use Chemistry Live textbook too? Sorry for all these annoying questions!

    I'd stick with Chemistry Live just for Deccie.


  • Registered Users Posts: 881 ✭✭✭AtomicKoala


    robman60 wrote: »
    Thanks for the assistance.

    I got a less stress more success book a few months ago which I've barely used. Would I be as well to stick to that for tonight or should I use Chemistry Live textbook too? Sorry for all these annoying questions!

    It really boils down to one factor: How much do you like exclamation marks?


  • Registered Users Posts: 20 deadpixel


    MacBizzle wrote: »
    Methyl orange = Yellow to red.
    Phenolphthalein = Pink to colourless
    Any of the manganese titrations = Colourless to faint permanent pink.
    EDTA titration = Wine red to blue.
    Bleach = Reddish brown to pale straw yellow, then add starch indicator and it's blue-black to colourless.

    I can't remember the winkler method one off my head :o could he another starch one.

    Winkler is same as starch at end but few steps before that. Add drops of MnSO4 and Winkler reagents (Ki + NaOh) to get a white precipitate. If oxygen is present this will then form a brown precipitate. Add sulfuric acid to liberate iodine (reddish-brown) which undergoes same colour change as iodine in bleach.


  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭jellytots95


    deadpixel wrote: »
    Winkler is same as starch at end but few steps before that. Add drops of MnSO4 and Winkler reagents (Ki + NaOh) to get a white precipitate. If oxygen is present this will then form a brown precipitate. Add sulfuric acid to liberate iodine (reddish-brown) which undergoes same colour change as iodine in bleach.

    This was question 1 last year though wasnt it :)

    Okay so im really looking for an A1 in Chemistry, and im good enough at it but ive really been slacking on the study be ause i feel i know stuff well enough already.. Whats everyone focusing on tonight and in the morning :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 20 deadpixel


    This was question 1 last year though wasnt it :)

    Okay so im really looking for an A1 in Chemistry, and im good enough at it but ive really been slacking on the study be ause i feel i know stuff well enough already.. Whats everyone focusing on tonight and in the morning :)

    Yeah I was just clarifying in case, and it could always come in section b as part of a water question this year! I feel the same about wanting an A1 but slacking lately. Current plan of attack is to go cover to cover in the textbook and anything I know well I'll just glance at, if I don't know something I'll make notes and see if it males sense. This kind of startegy helped in other subjects because you catch a lot of weird details which are omitted in general study and which examiners love to bring up. :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 31 forlifebaby


    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    Porn
    Positive oxidation
    Reduction negative

    Even if it doesn't come up im writing it down anyways .

    haha
    Thanks for the good laugh haha. I will definitely remember this for tomorrows' paper.


  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭accountname


    Any chance any of you have a marking scheme for the DEB mock?

    I'm kinda looking forward to the exam, dare I say :cool:


  • Registered Users Posts: 31 forlifebaby


    Chemistry is my last paper tomorrow and I actually want to get atleast an A2 on it but I am loosing my patience going over these experiments. They never stick to me. :l Anyone have any nice predictions on the paper? Soap and ethanal (properties) is what I am putting my bet on. And also calorimeter test for free chlorine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 913 ✭✭✭MacBizzle


    In the volatile gas experiment why do you have to prick a hole in the aluminium foil?


  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭TheBegotten


    MacBizzle wrote: »
    In the volatile gas experiment why do you have to prick a hole in the aluminium foil?

    It has to be completely full of vapour AND at atmospheric pressure. So you put in more than enough to fill the beaker, but poke a hole so some can flow out and equalise the pressure.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Irish_gal


    does anyone know how to go from cm cubed to metres cubed using scientific notation please for the PV=nRT formula?? :):/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 913 ✭✭✭MacBizzle


    Irish_gal wrote: »
    does anyone know how to go from cm cubed to metres cubed using scientific notation please for the PV=nRT formula?? :):/

    Multiply by 10^-6.. I think. :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Irish_gal


    MacBizzle wrote: »
    Multiply by 10^-6.. I think. :p

    thank you :) !!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Murky013


    God Damn I'm getting so stressed out because of this exam. I really want to score high on it, but all the experiments are killing my vibe...


  • Registered Users Posts: 941 ✭✭✭11Charlie11


    Irish_gal wrote: »
    does anyone know how to go from cm cubed to metres cubed using scientific notation please for the PV=nRT formula?? :):/

    Multiply by 10^(-6) :)

    Edit: bit late! :P


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  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭BauBau19


    Ohh God...two years of hard work for this horrible horrible subject. Dreading it now :/.. Just feel so unprepared.


  • Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭little sis...


    Why is H2S not soluble in water?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 913 ✭✭✭MacBizzle


    Why is H2S not soluble in water?

    The electronegativity difference is .38, making it very, very slightly non-polar, so therefore it isn't soluble because "like dissolves like". Unless it's one of those special cases, I haven't looked at them :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭little sis...


    MacBizzle wrote: »
    The electronegativity difference is .38, making it very, very slightly non-polar, so therefore it isn't soluble because "like dissolves like". Unless it's one of those special cases, I haven't looked at them :P

    Thanks is that always how to check if something is polar/ soluble in water? We were just told to remember that v shaped and pyramidal make it polar/soluble in water.

    And would it not make it very slightly polar ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    Thanks is that always how to check if something is polar/ soluble in water? We were just told to remember that v shaped and pyramidal make it polar/soluble in water.

    And would it not make it very slightly polar ?


    Hey . Remember though that the centre of gravity of the positive charge basically cancels the centre of gravity of negative charge for linear , triangonal planar and tetrahedral .


  • Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭little sis...


    Ok I'm a little confused. So if they ask whether a molecule is polar/non polar how do you go about finding this? Is it just the electronegativity difference or the shape or... ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 913 ✭✭✭MacBizzle


    Thanks is that always how to check if something is polar/ soluble in water? We were just told to remember that v shaped and pyramidal make it polar/soluble in water.

    And would it not make it very slightly polar ?

    You find the difference between the electronegativity values and if it's less than .4 it's a non-polar compound. :)

    I don't think it matters what you say regarding it's non-polarity/polarity if it's that close to .4, it'd probably be best to say it has negligible polarity now come to think of it. We looked at something in a marking scheme before with a similar electronegativity difference and I'm fairly sure they gave it to you whether you said slightly polar or slightly non-polar.

    We did it the electronegativity difference way, I personally haven't heard of your way of doing it and it doesn't say it anywhere in our book as far as I can see :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭little sis...


    MacBizzle wrote: »
    You find the difference between the electronegativity values and if it's less than .4 it's a non-polar compound. :)

    I don't think it matters what you say regarding it's non-polarity/polarity if it's that close to .4, it'd probably be best to say it has negligible polarity now come to think of it. We looked at something in a marking scheme before with a similar electronegativity difference and I'm fairly sure they gave it to you whether you said slightly polar or slightly non-polar.

    We did it the electronegativity difference way, I personally haven't heard of your way of doing it and it doesn't say it anywhere in our book as far as I can see :P

    Okay that's what I had originally thought but our teacher told us the shape of the molecule determines it's polarity :rolleyes: Thanks :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 913 ✭✭✭MacBizzle


    Okay that's what I had originally thought but our teacher told us the shape of the molecule determines it's polarity :rolleyes: Thanks :)

    Maybe it does but I just never heard of that method :p

    No bother :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭accountname


    Ok I'm a little confused. So if they ask whether a molecule is polar/non polar how do you go about finding this? Is it just the electronegativity difference or the shape or... ?

    To find if the bonds are polar, electronegativity all the way

    But the molecule as a whole can be non polar if the poles centre of gravity cancel

    eg with Boron triflouride

    The B - F bonds will be polar because there's a large electronegativity difference, but the BF3 molecule is non polar because the poles have a central gravity. I can't explain it well but hopefully this kinda clears it up

    https://figures.boundless.com/18492/full/polarity-boron-trifluoride.png


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