Who will the breakthrough player at the World Cup?

Dick phelan

Rodrguez of Switzerland looked a world class player vs Argentina, only 21 as well, I was very impressed with Bradley of the USA, currently playing in Toronto could get a bigger club imo.

Dempsey

Dick phelan wrote: »

Rodrguez of Switzerland looked a world class player vs Argentina, only 21 as well, I was very impressed with Bradley of the USA, currently playing in Toronto could get a bigger club imo.

Bradley joined Toronto from Roma for $10m!

Say Your Number

Thought Atsu looked impressive for Ghana against Germany.

Dick phelan

Dempsey wrote: »

Bradley joined Toronto from Roma for $10m!

Wow really my bad lol, 10m wouldn't have thought Toronto would have that kind of money to spend.

eh i dunno

Was very impressed with yedlin of usa last night. Only 20 and could get a transfer to a bigger league

limklad

James Rodriguez from Colombia is my vote

bmcc10

limklad wrote: »

James Rodriguez from Colombia is my vote

No

Hotfail.com

So.. Who's been the breakthrough player? I can't really think of anyone who came out of the blue this year like Özil did in 2010...

Tombo2001

I'd agree, now that James is out at just the quarterfinal stage, I think there will be no breakthrough player similar to Ozil....

fermanagh_man

Seen this late

I would have said Graham Zuzi of USA

Dempsey

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I'd agree, now that James is out at just the quarterfinal stage, I think there will be no breakthrough player similar to Ozil....

How does a €45m player become a breakthrough player of any description?

HSAJT

Dempsey wrote: »

How does a €45m player become a breakthrough player of any description?

maybe it's because "he was only part of the Falcao deal" as some people seem to believe

Hotfail.com

Dempsey wrote: »

How does a €45m player become a breakthrough player of any description?

In fairness he's probably the closest thing to one that came out of this World Cup... Even if he wasn't exactly a "breakthrough" player, he certainly proved that he's a world class player.

That Ref

tastyt

Fred for me. Good defender from corners

eagle eye

Joel Campbell is the player that best suits the title of this thread. He has been excellent for Costa Rica.

Nuri Sahin

Dempsey wrote: »

How does a €45m player become a breakthrough player of any description?

I agree, but I think what I said was perfectly put if I do say so myself

He earned himself a big money to Monaco last summer, but the next week or two will be the making of James Rodriguez. Well, the platform is there for him to do so anyway. That reminds me, I need to put a little something on him as POTT!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90840804&postcount=7

Super talented? Sure. Already had a big money move? Sure. But he never performed consistently and he has now done so on such the biggest stage. He's officially cemented his superstar status.

Going back to the topic... Manolas for Greece for me. Impressed me vs Man U in the CL last season, and has arguably been the best CB I've seen this World Cup. Some big club out there has to purchase him this summer. I hope it's Liverpool.

Hopefully Origi starts tomorrow, because he's impressed me in every game, albeit he's only started the one game. His cameos from off the bench have been superb too.

Musa, Herrera, Giménez and Aránguiz are other notable mentions.

tastyt

As a Newcastle fan I'm a bit pissed off because we will definitely lose him but Mathieu debuchy has shown his class on the world stage. Definite champions league football for him next season methinks 😭

Dont be at yourself

All the sneering at people mentiong James Rodrigues is really tiresome. He's 22, hasnt played in one of Europe's major leagues and wasnt even seen as Colombia's key man, with all the focus and attention on his clubmate Falcao. Yes, he moved for silly money to a nouveau riche club, but so did the likes of Witsel, Hulk, Pastore etc, and none of them are world beaters.

He's the first player to score more than 5 goals at a World Cup since Ronaldo in 2002, scoring possibly the goal of the tournament in the process, and is being linked with a £70m+ move to Real Madrid.

Tombo2001

Dempsey wrote: »

How does a €45m player become a breakthrough player of any description?

Fair question that I don't have an answer to, apart from the fact that the vast majority of football fans in Ireland have not seen him play more than once or twice I am guessing, before this world cup.

Ulysses Gaze

Keylor Navas the Costa Rica keeper.

Muff_Daddy

Dempsey wrote: »

How does a €45m player become a breakthrough player of any description?

Torres 50 million
Hulk 50 million
Carroll 35 million

Could go on and on. Basically, a players transfer fee shouldn't be used as the determining factor of his ability, especially nowadays when oil tycoons are able to throw cash at clubs like confetti a t weddings . Yeah, it looks like a good bit of business by Monaco but you know the expression, throw enough **** at a wall.......

Fact is, he is playing for the team who finished 2nd in the fifth best league in Europe. On the back of his world cup performances, I suspect he will get a move to one of Europe's elite clubs. That's a breakthrough in my eyes.

Turtwig

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Keylor Navas the Costa Rica keeper.

Already a stand out keeper in la liga. Sid low even dedicated an article to him before the Greek game.

Dempsey

Muff_Daddy wrote: »

Torres 50 million
Hulk 50 million
Carroll 35 million

Could go on and on. Basically, a players transfer fee shouldn't be used as the determining factor of his ability, especially nowadays when oil tycoons are able to throw cash at clubs like confetti a t weddings . Yeah, it looks like a good bit of business by Monaco but you know the expression, throw enough **** at a wall.......

Fact is, he is playing for the team who finished 2nd in the fifth best league in Europe. On the back of his world cup performances, I suspect he will get a move to one of Europe's elite clubs. That's a breakthrough in my eyes.

So much fail in one post...

Talib Fiasco

I don't think J-Rod counts either. Rodriguez was already known worldwide at Porto for god's sake never mind at Monaco. And he had an incredible year at Monaco so this World Cup isn't his entire making, although it'll certainly help. I think his teammate Cuadrado is a better fit tbh. He was poor last night but was great over the tournament as a whole and also had a very good season in Italy this year.

CSF

Hotfail.com wrote: »

In fairness he's probably the closest thing to one that came out of this World Cup... Even if he wasn't exactly a "breakthrough" player, he certainly proved that he's a world class player.

I don't really know if he has done that just yet.

CSF

Muff_Daddy wrote: »

Torres 50 million
Hulk 50 million
Carroll 35 million

Could go on and on. Basically, a players transfer fee shouldn't be used as the determining factor of his ability, especially nowadays when oil tycoons are able to throw cash at clubs like confetti a t weddings . Yeah, it looks like a good bit of business by Monaco but you know the expression, throw enough **** at a wall.......

Fact is, he is playing for the team who finished 2nd in the fifth best league in Europe. On the back of his world cup performances, I suspect he will get a move to one of Europe's elite clubs. That's a breakthrough in my eyes.

Torres, Hulk or Carroll would hardly be breakthrough stars if they had great World Cups either to be fair.

Brussels Sprout

Dempsey wrote: »

So much fail in one post...

Why not pick his argument apart logically rather than just posting something smug like that? The forum would be all the better for t.

Talib Fiasco

Muff_Daddy wrote: »

Fact is, he is playing for the team who finished 2nd in the fifth best league in Europe. On the back of his world cup performances, I suspect he will get a move to one of Europe's elite clubs. That's a breakthrough in my eyes.

Soooo by that reckoning Thiago Silva should have moved to an 'elite club' a long time ago...

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Dempsey wrote: »

So much fail in one post...

Do people actually still say this?

Muff_Daddy

Dempsey wrote: »

So much fail in one post...

Fail, good man yourself.

Monaco are not a club that will challenge for the european cup next year. They won't even win their domestic league next year. It's a well known fact that top club managers use the world cup as scouting missions and it's not outrageous or 'fail' to say that James Rodriguez performances in this world cup may have turned the heads of the coaches of Barcelona, Real Madrid or Bayern Munich, in a similar way to how Ozil and Kehdira did in South Africa, which is what the origional poster was getting at in the opening post. Getting a move from Monaco to a club like Real Madrid is a breakthrough in my opinion.

But yeah, glibly reply with your internet buzz words without actually offering anything constructive, good lad.

CSF

Muff_Daddy wrote: »

Fail, good man yourself.

Monaco are not a club that will challenge for the european cup next year. They won't even win their domestic league next year. It's a well known fact that top club managers use the world cup as scouting missions and it's not outrageous or 'fail' to say that James Rodriguez performances in this world cup may have turned the heads of the coaches of Barcelona, Real Madrid or Bayern Munich, in a similar way to how Ozil and Kehdira did in South Africa, which is what the origional poster was getting at in the opening post. Getting a move from Monaco to a club like Real Madrid is the very definition of a breakthrough in football in my eyes.

But yeah, glibly reply with your internet buzz words without actually offering anything constructive, good lad.

Congratulations, you have taken a long standing definition and completely changed it to suit your argument. That is impressive.

Liam O

Muff_Daddy wrote: »

Fail, good man yourself.

Monaco are not a club that will challenge for the european cup next year. They won't even win their domestic league next year. It's a well known fact that top club managers use the world cup as scouting missions and it's not outrageous or 'fail' to say that James Rodriguez performances in this world cup may have turned the heads of the coaches of Barcelona, Real Madrid or Bayern Munich, in a similar way to how Ozil and Kehdira did in South Africa, which is what the origional poster was getting at in the opening post. Getting a move from Monaco to a club like Real Madrid is the very definition of a breakthrough in football in my eyes.

But yeah, glibly reply with your internet buzz words without actually offering anything constructive, good lad.

If Falcao doesn't move Monaco have WC players in a lot of positions before they've opened their chequebook significantly this Summer. I wouldn't go ruling them out. That said Falcao will probably go...

Muff_Daddy

CSF wrote: »

Congratulations, you have taken a long standing definition and completely changed it to suit your argument. That is impressive.

Your some man for taking a person choice of words as a means of debunking their entire arguement, without you know, going through the hassle of actually argueing the points.

To be expected i suppose.

Muff_Daddy

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Soooo by that reckoning Thiago Silva should have moved to an 'elite club' a long time ago...

Honestly? Yes, I believe Thiago Silva would be making a step up in class if he moved to a top club in Spain, Germany or even the much maligned EPL.

CSF

Muff_Daddy wrote: »

Your some man for taking a person choice of words as a means of debunking their entire arguement, without you know, going through the hassle of actually argueing the points.

To be expected i suppose.

What?

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with some of your points, but unless you've completely altered the term breakthrough star to suit your own ends, this isn't the thread that is appropriate for them.

That Rodriguez may go from a very good team to a great team has no real bearing on this thread.

CSF

Muff_Daddy wrote: »

Honestly? Yes, I believe Thiago Silva would be making a step up in class if he moved to a top club in Spain, Germany or even the much maligned EPL.

Yes. But he wouldn't be a breakthrough star if he had a great World Cup.

Muff_Daddy

CSF wrote: »

Yes. But he wouldn't be a breakthrough star if he had a great World Cup.

No, but Thiago Silva has proved himself in a better league, as well as the champions league, so of course he wouldn't be a breakthrough star of this world cup. James Rodriguez has not thus far, this world cup would be by a long way the biggest stage hes played on, his apperance as a teenager in the champions league in an average Porto side notwithstanding.

Reekwind

Muff_Daddy wrote: »

Your some man for taking a person choice of words as a means of debunking their entire arguement, without you know, going through the hassle of actually argueing the points.

What (I belive) CSF was pointing out is that arguing with your points is impossible given that you have shifted the discussion onto definitions. In this you've arbitrarily redefined "breakthrough" to mean 'move to a club that will challenge for the European Cup next year'. Which I think most people here would find ridiculously narrow and myopic.

(By your logic Hulk, who has not had any such 'breakthrough', is an obscure player. As was Neymar prior to his move to Spain.)

What defined Ozil's 'breakthrough' is not the move to the big club but that he came out of relative obscurity to establish himself as a top class footballer. The move to Real followed that and not vice versa. Rodriguez can make a step up in clubs but, given that he's already one of the most expensive transfers of all time, no one would seriously consider that a 'breakthrough'. Unless, like yourself, you somehow inexplicitly ignore everything other than one very narrow set of parameters.

Muff_Daddy

Reekwind wrote: »

What (I belive) CSF was pointing out is that arguing with your points is impossible given that you have shifted the discussion onto definitions. In this you've arbitrarily redefined "breakthrough" to mean 'move to a club that will challenge for the European Cup next year'. Which I think most people here would find ridiculously narrow and myopic.

(By your logic Hulk, who has not had any 'breakthrough' is an obscure player. As was Neymar prior to his move to Spain.)

What defined Ozil's 'breakthrough' is not the move to the big club but that he came out of relative obscurity to establish himself as a top class footballer. The move to Real followed that and not vice versa. Rodriguez can make a step up in clubs but, given that he's already one of the most expensive transfers of all time, no one would seriously consider that a 'breakthrough'. Unless, like yourself, you somehow inexplicitly ignore everything other than one very narrow set of parameters.

Fair points, but I've already explained why i don't believe that a transfer fee isn't as big a gauge in determining whether a player has made a breakthrough as opposed to actually proving themselvs against the best at the very best competetions. My reasons for having this opinion is that I believe the fees paid for players by these big financially backed clubs are skewed. I used playets like Hulk and Torres to illustrate this point. So yes, you're correct when you say he has commander one of the higest transfers of all time, but i still maintain that what James Rodriguez is doing at this world cup is establishing him in the game far far more than his €45 million fee did.

I don't mean to change the paramaters, and people are entitled to disagree with me, but the one word and abrupt replies without any discussion of points tend to get your back up.

Ulysses Gaze

Turtwig wrote: »

Already a stand out keeper in la liga. Sid low even dedicated an article to him before the Greek game.

True...but outside of La Liga fans, he'd be pretty unknown.

Ulysses Gaze

Muff_Daddy wrote: »

Honestly? Yes, I believe Thiago Silva would be making a step up in class if he moved to a top club in Spain, Germany or even the much maligned EPL.

Well he did play for a small club called AC Milan for a few years....

Flincher

Rodriguez is an interesting one. I wouldn't consider it a breakthrough for him, he's already playing at a high level on the back of a massive fee. He's definitely seen his profile rocket sky high as a result of his performances.

In fairness, bar here where everyone pretends to be an expert on every league, the majority of World Cup viewers wouldn't have picked Rodriguez out of a police line up a month ago. I'd venture that a narrow majority here would have heard of him and seen a few clips on YouTube. Now he's one of the most recognisable faces of the tournament and could potentially earn a move to Madrid off the back of it.

In terms of profile and announcing himself to a global audience, it has been absolutely massive for him.

Nuri Sahin

Flincher wrote: »

Rodriguez is an interesting one. I wouldn't consider it a breakthrough for him, he's already playing at a high level on the back of a massive fee. He's definitely seen his profile rocket sky high as a result of his performances.

In fairness, bar here where everyone pretends to be an expert on every league, the majority of World Cup viewers wouldn't have picked Rodriguez out of a police line up a month ago. I'd venture that a narrow majority here would have heard of him and seen a few clips on YouTube. Now he's one of the most recognisable faces of the tournament and could potentially earn a move to Madrid off the back of it.

In terms of profile and announcing himself to a global audience, it has been absolutely massive for him.

Are Ligue 1 games not shown on ESPN/BT Sport back in the UK and Ireland?

MD1990

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Are Ligue 1 games not shown on ESPN/BT Sport back in the UK and Ireland?

Yeah Monaco nearly shown every week. Rodriguez really stepped up for Monaco & Columbia when Falcao was injured.

Mantis Toboggan

simongurnick wrote: »

Not sure if a dude in his 30's could be considered breakthrough but Fred is vastly underrated and I feel like he could be the guy at the tail end of a lot of Brasil's moves popping it in the onion bag. The "breakthrough" for him would be a move back to Europe while he still has a couple of decent years left.
Maybe more redemption than breakthrough for him.

Ooo controversial!

Omackeral

I think Guillermo Ochoa has to be given an honourable mention. Mexico's goalkeeper came into this World Cup without a club! He last played for Ajaccio who I think are second tier in France. He's earned at least one man of the match award also. A fine showcase for him.

Hotfail.com

Omackeral wrote: »

I think Guillermo Ochoa has to be given an honourable mention. Mexico's goalkeeper came into this World Cup without a club! He last played for Ajaccio who I think are second tier in France. He's earned at least one man of the match award also. A fine showcase for him.

Yeah that's a good pick actually, although he's only without a club because the team he played with got relegated last year... Navas (Costa Rica's goalkeeper) was also fantastic.

Nuri Sahin

MD1990 wrote: »

Yeah Monaco nearly shown every week. Rodriguez really stepped up for Monaco & Columbia when Falcao was injured.

Since I've never heard of or seen X player, no one else must have seen X player, except for Youtube.

Ridiculous.

I remember seeing Monaco play when I was back in Ireland for a month on BT Sports a couple of times this past season.

Rodriguez has played in the Champions League with Porto too and long touted as the next big thing from Colombia prior to his move to Portugal, let alone to Monaco.

Nuri Sahin

Ochoa is nowhere near a breakthrough player of the tourney for me. Highly regarded in France for a long time, and if it weren't for his family and he himself being very happy in France, he'd have been been on the move ages ago. Marseille have been tipped to sign him since January too. Ochoa's performance against PSG early last season is worth checking out.