Some people shouldn't be allowed have kids.

Maximus Alexander

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Problem solved so.

In the same way that you could solve a problem with mice by burning down the house I suppose. :pac:

Ash.J.Williams

topper75 wrote: »

Hee hee.

Now that we have recomposed ourselves after laughing at your sarcasm, we need to look for a solution. Care to post again?



So we reverted to a liberal agenda - which produced this. And will continue to produce this - as though that woman's right to reproduce comes before the rights of society and her offspring. I would endorse sterilisation in extreme cases like this with no qualms. Right to reproduce should be forfeited in such cases of outrageous neglect.



In fairness - I did not see any convictions against the grandparents. It is the best option in the circumstances. I wish that child the very best.

it's a liberal agenda now is it?

westcoast66

minidazzler wrote: »

The children would never go through Puberty, so wouldn't ever actually be able to have children.... you've just killed the entire world.

I said Vasectomise, not castrate!

topper75

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

it's a liberal agenda now is it?

In so far as ANYONE can have a child (indeed as many as they care to have) and this is viewed by lawmakers as some kind of inalienable RIGHT regardless of consequences, yes it is.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

In the same way that you could solve a problem with mice by burning down the house I suppose. :pac:

I never claimed it was a good solution :pac:

Ash.J.Williams

topper75 wrote: »

In so far as ANYONE can have a child (indeed as many as they care to have) and this is viewed by lawmakers as some kind of inalienable RIGHT regardless of consequences, yes it is.

it is a inalienable right....

There is an imbalance however and that is intelligent people are not breeding enough

Maximus Alexander

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

There is an imbalance however and that is intelligent people are not breeding enough

Don't worry guys, I got this. Send the women around to my place, let's get this thing done. :P

Bock the Robber

mickydoomsux wrote: »

There's proportionately a lot more in Limerick city though. That's why it's a kip.

Are you going for the moronic comments world record?

jimgoose

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Don't worry guys, I got this. Send the women around to my place, let's get this thing done. :P

<SNIFF> You Sir, are Superman, Clint Eastwood and Will Smith in "I Am Legend" all rolled into one. Thank you. :cool:

topper75

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

it is a inalienable right....

I doubt the cop who took off the toddler's urine-soaked socks at the roadside and smelled the beer on its breath would be of the same mind as you on that. But that would be pure conjecture on my part admittedly.

Maximus Alexander

topper75 wrote: »

I doubt the cop who took off the toddler's urine-soaked socks at the roadside and smelled the beer on its breath would be of the same mind as you on that. But that would be pure conjecture on my part admittedly.

So on that basis, you conclude that:

• It could have been known beyond doubt that the child would end up in this situation prior to its conception, so the parents should have been sterilized or otherwise denied the right to have children.
  
• No matter what happens for the rest of the child's life, it would have been better off never having been born because of this.

Have I got that right? If not, what are you actually saying?

topper75

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

So on that basis, you conclude that:

• It could have been known beyond doubt that the child would end up in this situation prior to its conception, so the parents should have been sterilized or otherwise denied the right to have children.
  
• No matter what happens for the rest of the child's life, it would have been better off never having been born because of this.

Have I got that right? If not, what are you actually saying?

No - not what I'm proposing.

In relation to point one - of course it could not have been known. That is the stuff of science fiction.

In relation to point two - the child seems to have been wrenched from its misery by the intervention of the law and the goodwill of its grandparents. If not for that ...

I'm saying that forced clinical sterilisation of that woman who was up in court is the only way of ensuring no repeat, stick in the throats of bleeding heart types as it might.

neamhspleachi

I chastised an African woman in the Square for beating & screaming at her young child, the child was terrified & visibly shaking

Told her if she laid one more hand on the child, I'd lay hands on her, not a threat, a statement of fact

Uproar, she kicked off big time & security were summoned to escort me out of the shopping centre as I was threatening her

I called AGS & refused to leave until CCTV was reviewed

The woman was taken into custody

Only for CCTV, the shoe would have been on the other foot & I'd have been in the back of the Maria

Curious thing was, nobody else was willing to step in & say "no, you're out of fúcking order, leave it out or I'll knock you out"

dj jarvis

caustic 1 wrote: »

I pity the vast majority of people from Limerick being tarred with the scummy brush every time something bad happens. There are people like this in every city, town and townland in the country.

ah sure every time Dublin is mentioned , its described as the land of urine and zombies - but in reality , its just the northside

looking_around

neamhspleachi wrote: »

I chastised an African woman in the Square for beating & screaming at her young child, the child was terrified & visibly shaking

Told her if she laid one more hand on the child, I'd lay hands on her, not a threat, a statement of fact

Uproar, she kicked off big time & security were summoned to escort me out of the shopping centre as I was threatening her

I called AGS & refused to leave until CCTV was reviewed

The woman was taken into custody

Only for CCTV, the shoe would have been on the other foot & I'd have been in the back of the Maria

Curious thing was, nobody else was willing to step in & say "no, you're out of fúcking order, leave it out or I'll knock you out"

Well, because becoming agressive yourself isnt the way to deal with it either.

A direct report to the gardai and or social services, is.

neamhspleachi

looking_around wrote: »

Well, because becoming agressive yourself isnt the way to deal with it either.

A direct report to the gardai and or social services, is.

Thank you for your sage input

Should I have stood idly by as the beating of a child occurred while waiting for AGS/social services to respond?

Or maybe ask the lady (sic) to politely stop assaulting her child while everyone else, including security, waltzed by with their blinkers & noise cancelling earphones on?

I think not, aggression is called for when dealing with child beaters IMHO, for which I feel no urge to apologise for or justify to anyone but myself

Jonny Blaze

Was having a chat with some friends about this a while back, moreso about how under prepared we would be were any of us to become parents unexpetedly.

It kind of occurred to me then that they should really have some sort of mandatory education involved before giving birth which covers the basic stuff about how to care for a newborn etc.

I mean you have to go to the hospital for scans and so on from reasonably early on so it's not like the authorities couldn't inform the department of welfare or whatever.

Also, before I get accused of sexism, it wouldn't be solely on the mother to attend, however the unfortunate position remains that if the father pulls a legger or some such that the mother still kind of has the baby um.. on her person and so the responsibility would still fall on her.

If anything it could also be used as a way of getting fathers names on birth certs. You could for example be disallowed from having your name on the birth cert had you not completed the course.

Anyway, obviously you can't in a 3 or 6 month state administered education course expect to overturn a lifetime of moral and ethical stagnation but you know.. wouldn't hurt?!

dark crystal

neamhspleachi wrote: »

I chastised an African woman in the Square for beating & screaming at her young child, the child was terrified & visibly shaking

Told her if she laid one more hand on the child, I'd lay hands on her, not a threat, a statement of fact

Uproar, she kicked off big time & security were summoned to escort me out of the shopping centre as I was threatening her

I called AGS & refused to leave until CCTV was reviewed

The woman was taken into custody

Only for CCTV, the shoe would have been on the other foot & I'd have been in the back of the Maria

Curious thing was, nobody else was willing to step in & say "no, you're out of fúcking order, leave it out or I'll knock you out"

Good for you!

Kermit.de.frog

Funny thing is the government is actually paying these people to have children through child benefit. Some women out there have made a rewarding career out of pumping out sprogs. Proper parenting is the last thing on their minds.

the_monkey

Plazaman wrote: »

Poor wee lad, the first years of a childs life are crucial where they absorb everything from language to social skills to moral imperatives.

How has he a chance when all he knows or learned from his mother is drinking and crime which he'll probably think is the norm and so the cycle continues. Hopefully his grandparents can readjust him to a normal life so that he doesn't end up another scumbag.

Yeah I'm sure his grandparents are upstanding citizens, they brought up the scrote mother so they'd be the same I'd guess...

Pumpkinseeds

bluewolf wrote: »

On the one hand, it sounds like a good idea
On the other hand, you give people the power to take kids away and you get this
http://wgntv.com/2014/06/11/dad-nj-threatens-to-take-away-son-after-pencil-twirling-incident/

True, but then there's the other extreme of kids in homes without food or heating or care because the adult is off their face on booze or drugs.

spurious

We could go a long way in this country by recognising that 'the family' is not always the best place for a child to be.

Ash.J.Williams

spurious wrote: »

We could go a long way in this country by recognising that 'the family' is not always the best place for a child to be.

The opposite of that was the main opposition to the gay marriage this year wasn't it??

StinkyMunkey

Ive said it before, pay these people not to have childern. Its a win situation for everyone. They get paid either way. Pay them to take contraception (the various different forms). Its a cull without anyone being killed, and if they wanna start breeding (i use the term breeding purposely) again, hit them hard financially.

Problem solved, they are not being rewarded for having kids, kids dont suffer, the world is a better place.

nc19

Just saw a mid 20s girl about 7months gone smoking a cig

She should be sterilized

Maximus Alexander

nc19 wrote: »

Just saw a mid 20s girl about 7months gone smoking a cig

She should be sterilized

People are awful quick to judge. She could have had a tumour, a pot belly, or a really big lunch.

Pumpkinseeds

I went to bed at 10.30 last night, as I closed the bedroom curtains I saw 3 young kids on bikes, one so young it was on a little bike that still had stabilisers on it. What the absolute fcuk is wrong with some parents? Not an adult in sight, I don't even know who the kids are so they can't be from my immediate neighbourhood.

Up until I was 17 I had to be in by 10pm on weeknights, I was genuinely shocked and disgusted to see such young kids out alone at that time of night.

annascott

folan wrote: »

how do you deny this right? forced sterilization? forced abortion? confiscating children from their birth parents after delivery?

in come countries, people arent allowed have more than 1 kid. Consider yourself lucky no one is sticking their nose into your womb!

you have a problem with bad parents, then report them. there are services dedicated to making sure children are not abused.

Excellent idea. I don't know why this isn't done already. There should be an IQ test as well as a zero tolerance policy for drug addicts, alcoholics and anyone who has previously abused a child.

Renegade Mechanic

Her child should be taken into care and she should be sterilised along with the father so they cant have any more. If we are unable to drive properly, our licences are revoked. If someone is proven to be unable to raise a child they should have their ability to bring more in removed. And Im not talking financially, thats a situation that can change. Abuse and/or neglect however is a mindset that wont. Parenting standards are falling below acceptable standards and contrary to certain beliefs, Its got sweet **** all to do with the education system or "being in disadvantaged areas".

Grayson

nc19 wrote: »

Just saw a mid 20s girl about 7months gone smoking a cig

She should be sterilized

Really? Smoking doesn't actually do as much damage as people think. I'm not saying a pregnant woman should chug down 40 a day but I've heard doctors say that the occasional cigarette (and I mean like the equivalent of a packet or less during the entire pregnancy), whilst not good for the woman or baby, is actually better than the damage that can be cause by hypertension due to stress.

mrsbyrne

I rang the Garda station to report that very small children were playing, some on bikes, unsupervised in the middle of a busy road. Drivers were slowing down, blowing horns, some drivers actually got out and removed children not old enough to follow instructions, up on to the pavement. The Guard that answered the phone advised that I couldn't expect them (AGS) to " baby-sit" every estate in the town. This goes on and on, it is quite literally a miracle that one of the kids hasn't been killed. I'm dreading the school holidays. My nerves are shot. They also have no respect for property, cars etc. and the noise is unbearable. Two boys were standing in the middle of the road last night having what appeared to be a screaming contest. A neighbour in her 60s is undergoing radiotherapy for a reoccurrence of throat cancer and she's at the end of her rope with it.
One mother in particular galls me. She leaves the road in her car frequently, ignoring her kids on the way out. At lunchtime she goes to Centra, buys them chicken rolls and hands them out to them through the window of the car on the way back. But if they are not in school, they are out in the street, in all weathers, from they are out of bed until 11pm. If no other kids are out, her kids obsessively knock on doors until either somebody comes out or they are admitted. They follow any adult on foot in the estate until they reach their destination I think just to get some adult attention. Its so sad.:(:(

i hope the child is with someone who will love and take care of him to be safe warm and full and loved

looking_around

mrsbyrne wrote: »

I rang the Garda station to report that very small children were playing, some on bikes, unsupervised in the middle of a busy road. Drivers were slowing down, blowing horns, some drivers actually got out and removed children not old enough to follow instructions, up on to the pavement. The Guard that answered the phone advised that I couldn't expect them (AGS) to " baby-sit" every estate in the town. This goes on and on, it is quite literally a miracle that one of the kids hasn't been killed. I'm dreading the school holidays. My nerves are shot. They also have no respect for property, cars etc. and the noise is unbearable. Two boys were standing in the middle of the road last night having what appeared to be a screaming contest. A neighbour in her 60s is undergoing radiotherapy for a reoccurrence of throat cancer and she's at the end of her rope with it.
One mother in particular galls me. She leaves the road in her car frequently, ignoring her kids on the way out. At lunchtime she goes to Centra, buys them chicken rolls and hands them out to them through the window of the car on the way back. But if they are not in school, they are out in the street, in all weathers, from they are out of bed until 11pm. If no other kids are out, her kids obsessively knock on doors until either somebody comes out or they are admitted. They follow any adult on foot in the estate until they reach their destination I think just to get some adult attention. Its so sad.:(:(

record it, send it to the papers,

You called the gardi...did you also call child services? call them, daily.
Also WRITE to social services. (they can't ignore written stuff down as quick as phone calls.)

holystungun9

looking_around wrote: »

record it, send it to the papers,

You called the gardi...did you also call child services? call them, daily.
Also WRITE to social services. (they can't ignore written stuff down as quick as phone calls.)

I agree. Please please contact ss.

mrsbyrne

holystungun9 wrote: »

I agree. Please please contact ss.

Oh several neighbours have contacted SS. One neighbour has returned from UK and she tells that those kids would be in care by now over there. This family "appeared" almost 12 months ago , listening to the kids accent I would guess from London. But the mother is a native of this town. Maybe SS are monitoring them at some kind of low level but I don't see any evidence. We realised last night that since they came those kids have never been taken anywhere. They are brought to school. They come home from school. They are out in the road. At some point they go to bed. Within walking distance there is a swing park, a library, a swimming pool, a river with ducks and swans,, a rugby club, a soccer club, a GAA club, all crying out for kids. To the best of our knowledge she never takes them away from the road.What does she do all day?

eviltwin

I've contacted SS numerous times re my neighbours child, she is about 3/4 and is always covered in nits, bruises, she smells, she is still in nappies that are hanging off her and she has terrible marks on her skin. Last year I was in the garden with my son and she came along and wanted to play with his toys, after about 10 mins and no adult I went next door and her mother came to the door drunk with a spliff in her hand, this was about 11am and she was pregnant. I rang SS that day and as yet nothing has happened. I work in social care and even tried to get my boss to talk to someone to speed things up but nearly a year later and nothing has happened. It sickens me because a few years ago someone made a claim to SS about me that we were able to prove was malicious almost immediately but they were making surprise visits to us for months after. I have lost so much faith in our social services.

FunLover18

The right to have children drives me up the wall. Yes, everyone has that right but the rights and well being of the child should always come first and if the would-be parents are not up to that responsibility then they simply shouldn't be allowed have children in the first place.

The amount of vetting people go through to adopt like, and yet anybody can just produce their own, BUT if they can have all that bureaucracy surrounding adoption then I see no reason why they can't have it around biological birth. The problem is finding a way to stop people having kids but if they did there would be absolutely no objections from me.

EyeSight

If there was a process for this, it wouldn't work.
In an ideal world there would be good state facilities to handle kids taken from their parents. I'd be ok with taking their kids off them then

mrsbyrne

I don't think people realise how many kids are actually in care in this country. Of course a lot are only temporarily sepersted from their parents but many never go back and their mams won't give permission for them to be adopted.

Shakespeare's Sister

westcoast66 wrote: »

My solution: Vasectomies all boys at the age of 12.

Reverse the operation on request when the couple choose to have a child. Vasectomise the man again when the woman is giving birth.

All boys/men?

KTRIC wrote: »

I know, take the kids off them and put them in a home somewhere in the West. A good upbringing by a couple of nuns and they'll be on the straight and narrow in no time. Sure whats the worst that could happen.....

This is tongue-in-cheek but still pointless because it's not like that system exists anymore.

topper75 wrote: »

In so far as ANYONE can have a child (indeed as many as they care to have) and this is viewed by lawmakers as some kind of inalienable RIGHT regardless of consequences, yes it is.

People could always have as many children as they wanted - there's nothing "liberal agenda about it.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Funny thing is the government is actually paying these people to have children through child benefit. Some women out there have made a rewarding career out of pumping out sprogs. Proper parenting is the last thing on their minds.

No, the government is providing benefits for the children after they are born.

Shakespeare's Sister

annascott wrote: »

There should be an IQ test as well as a zero tolerance policy for drug addicts, alcoholics and anyone who has previously abused a child.

And then what?
Sometimes I can understand people calling for sterilisation when a child has been neglected/abused, when parents are drug-addicted to the point of hopelessness... but ending people's reproductive rights sets a dangerous precedent. I think children in those situations should be removed from their parent(s) but each case examined on its individual merits. And an increase in child protection (as the children's referendum will hopefully lead to).

eviltwin wrote: »

I've contacted SS numerous times re my neighbours child, she is about 3/4 and is always covered in nits, bruises, she smells, she is still in nappies that are hanging off her and she has terrible marks on her skin. Last year I was in the garden with my son and she came along and wanted to play with his toys, after about 10 mins and no adult I went next door and her mother came to the door drunk with a spliff in her hand, this was about 11am and she was pregnant.

That's just really upsetting.

Bock the Robber

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Of course she's from Limerick city.

This morning a man was shot in Balbriggan. Today 7 people were charged with the murder of a man in Tallaght and tonight we hear that a (9-year-old) correction 6-year-old boy has been shot in Ballyfermot.

What was that you were saying about Limerick, again?