Water meter protests

degrassinoel

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Good question

I must remember to.ask that one the next time one of you posts a heavily edited youtube video claiming garda brutality or IW workers running over old ladies :rolleyes:

I actually seen something like that happen first-hand in Saint Annes in Raheny a few months back, it wasn't an old lady it was a middle aged guy and it was done deliberately. Afaik the young guy that was driving the van lost his job over it too

Ye cant dismiss it all as propaganda, there are always two sides.

Banjo String

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You see what you want to see

That's your MO

I may be converted yet, I may start to agree with you.

Once a peaceful protester is charged with assault or criminal damage.

Until then, it's not a case of seeing what I want to see, I only see reality, which in this case, is that the Gardai have yet to even charge a single protester with assault or criminal damage.

Mighty telling mind you, what with both sides equipped with video recording equipment.

Lmklad

Banjo String wrote: »

I may be converted yet, I may start to agree with you.

Once a peaceful protester is charged with assault or criminal damage.

Until then, it's not a case of seeing what I want to see, I only see reality, which in this case, is that the Gardai have yet to even charge a single protester with assault or criminal damage.

Mighty telling mind you, what with both sides equipped with video recording equipment.

Maybe some are being Adult Cautioned instead....

Banjo String

Lmklad wrote: »

Maybe some are being Adult Cautioned instead....

Maybe.

Assault and criminal damage are serious enough offences though (tbf).

Adult cautions aren't very likely for such an offence.

worded

Water can be such fun on a lighter note

https://www.youtube.com/embed/dkpzgS9rdTk

FREETV

Many more blockades need to happen.
You own the foothpaths in front of the houses.
It is called frontage and even grass that is growing there beside the footpaths outside is the owners or tenants responsibility to mow it.
It is your property that they are forcing installations of meters on without your permission and consent.

FREETV

Protesting will work as it did in Bolivia and it has to go on until Irish Water and the Coalition Government are put in their place.

https://www.culturalsurvival.org/news/alana-libow/bolivian-protesters-end-water-privatization-la-paz-el-alto

Timberrrrrrrr

FREETV wrote: »

Many more blockades need to happen.
You own the foothpaths in front of the houses.

This is a lie, if this is the case then the protesters are trespassing on private property when they attempt to stop installations.

It is called frontage and even grass that is growing there beside the footpaths outside is the owners or tenants responsibility to mow it.

More lies

It is your property that they are forcing installations of meters on without your permission and consent.

Now you're just getting desperate :rolleyes:

Banjo String

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

This is a lie, if this is the case then the protesters are trespassing on private property when they attempt to stop installations.

When did public footpaths become private property?

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

More lies.

Now you're just getting desperate :rolleyes:

Indeed.

Touch of irony about this post.

Any examples of protesters charged with acts of assault or criminal damage yet btw

Sam Kade

FREETV wrote: »

Protesting will work as it did in Bolivia and it has to go on until Irish Water and the Coalition Government are put in their place.

https://www.culturalsurvival.org/news/alana-libow/bolivian-protesters-end-water-privatization-la-paz-el-alto

If only we could get SF into power they would sort it, but beware we will pay for it some other way

Paulownia

Sam Kade wrote: »

If only we could get SF into power they would sort it, but beware we will pay for it some other way

SF promise Utopia with scant reference to how it would be funded after they have rifled the pot!

Fr. Ned

Paulownia wrote: »

SF promise Utopia with scant reference to how it would be funded after they have rifled the pot!

Do they?

Timberrrrrrrr

Banjo String wrote: »

When did public footpaths become private property?

That's something you will have to ask your buddy

FREETV wrote: »

Many more blockades need to happen.
You own the foothpaths in front of the houses.
It is called frontage and even grass that is growing there beside the footpaths outside is the owners or tenants responsibility to mow it.
It is your property that they are forcing installations of meters on without your permission and consent.

Indeed.

Touch of irony about this post.

Any examples of protesters charged with acts of assault or criminal damage yet btw

To coin a phrase used many times by the no side

"Do your own research"

Sam Kade

Paulownia wrote: »

SF promise Utopia with scant reference to how it would be funded after they have rifled the pot!

Hence the rolleyes

Sam Kade

FREETV wrote: »

Many more blockades need to happen.
You own the foothpaths in front of the houses.
It is called frontage and even grass that is growing there beside the footpaths outside is the owners or tenants responsibility to mow it.
It is your property that they are forcing installations of meters on without your permission and consent.

So if I tripped over the footpath outside your house and proved you at fault I could claim off you

Fr. Ned

As far as I can see there have been no charges of assault and/or criminal damage brought against any protesters.
More lies from known and proven liars.

Little CuChulainn

FREETV wrote: »

Many more blockades need to happen.
You own the foothpaths in front of the houses.
It is called frontage and even grass that is growing there beside the footpaths outside is the owners or tenants responsibility to mow it.
It is your property that they are forcing installations of meters on without your permission and consent.

More blatant lies.

henryporter

You may own the footpath outside your house, but as there's a public right of way over that part of your property it facilitates public authorities to do what the wish with it and to maintain it (so if some eejit trips on it, it's the public authority who gets the summons)

Jazus, lads. I go out for a day and come back and ye're STILL going over the same old ground! There were peaceful protests around the country yesterday. They are the right way to go about it. Not behaving like thugs, confronting Gardai and IW workers with silly, factually incorrect sh1te and making themselves look like right twats in the process. Compare the following:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=747387101963668&set=gm.1560582260841008&type=1&theater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEhvP1cg6sw
Which gets their message across the clearest?

Guy:Incognito

Streetwalker wrote: »

Those Garda looked fierce embarrassed as they should. They should be out fighting real crime.

If people take a dislike to your job and blocked you from doing it i hope you don't consider calling the gardai to make them stop cos they have better things to do. You'll just have to stop going to work I suppose.

renegademaster

Deleted User wrote: »

Jazus, lads. I go out for a day and come back and ye're STILL going over the same old ground! There were peaceful protests around the country yesterday. They are the right way to go about it. Not behaving like thugs, confronting Gardai and IW workers with silly, factually incorrect sh1te and making themselves look like right twats in the process. Compare the following:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=747387101963668&set=gm.1560582260841008&type=1&theater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEhvP1cg6sw
Which gets their message across the clearest?

it's gas how the diehrads here on boards are still debating the merits of protesting and the usual suspects are doing their best to delegitimise all protesting in Ireland, meanwhile our government are $hitting themselves and talking about firing the whole IW board, and probably more. they'd really want to be copping themselves on very lively because there's a rising tide of Irish protestors who are awake and active now

Fr. Ned

renegademaster wrote: »

it's gas how the diehrads here on boards are still debating the merits of protesting and the usual suspects are doing their best to delegitimise all protesting in Ireland, meanwhile our government are $hitting themselves and talking about firing the whole IW board, and probably more. they'd really want to be copping themselves on very lively because there's a rising tide of Irish protestors who are awake and active now

There was always going to be a point where we said enough is enough.
We're a very passive, even docile, race of people.
Breaking point has been reached.

Timberrrrrrrr

renegademaster wrote: »

it's gas how the diehrads here on boards are still debating the merits of protesting and the usual suspects are doing their best to delegitimise all protesting in Ireland, meanwhile our government are $hitting themselves and talking about firing the whole IW board, and probably more. they'd really want to be copping themselves on very lively because there's a rising tide of Irish protestors who are awake and active now

Gave me a great laugh thanks

Timberrrrrrrr

Fr. Ned wrote: »

There was always going to be a point where we said enough is enough.
We're a very passive, even docile, race of people.
Breaking point has been reached.

The same buzzwords were trotted out when the LPT was announced :rolleyes:

Banjo String

When even the monsters creators are plotting against it, it's not looking too good.

I don't understand how senior members of the government can change the CEO of a private company.

I'm gonna guess that if things advance forward enough, whenever the mass non payment campaign kicks in, and Irish Water start threatening to reduce supplies to a trickle, the government will claim that they can not get involved because it's a 'private company'.



(with a general election on the horizon)

Guy:Incognito

Banjo String wrote: »

I don't understand how senior members of the government can change the CEO of a private company.
)

Its a fully state owned company.

The very same way these are:

ESB Networks
Bus Eireann
An Post
Irish Rail

Despite being companies. Yet no one seems to have the same hysteria about them.

Wanderer2010

Banjo String wrote: »

When even the monsters creators are plotting against it, it's not looking too good.

I don't understand how senior members of the government can change the CEO of a private company.

I'm gonna guess that if things advance forward enough, whenever the mass non payment campaign kicks in, and Irish Water start threatening to reduce supplies to a trickle, the government will claim that they can not get involved because it's a 'private company'.



(with a general election on the horizon)

Hasnt it already been established that IW cannot legally reduce the pressure or turn off your water?

Timberrrrrrrr

Banjo String wrote: »

When even the monsters creators are plotting against it, it's not looking too good.

I don't understand how senior members of the government can change the CEO of a private company.

I'm gonna guess that if things advance forward enough, whenever the mass non payment campaign kicks in, and Irish Water start threatening to reduce supplies to a trickle, the government will claim that they can not get involved because it's a 'private company'.



(with a general election on the horizon)

Well if you can't understand that it's not a private company (even though it has been explained to you many many times) then i'm not surprised that you don't understand how they can make changes in STATE OWNED companies :rolleyes:

More "election looming" posts? How many years have you been predicting this now?

Guy:Incognito

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

More "election looming" posts? How many years have you been predicting this now?

The government will collapse and we'll be using "punt nua"(remember that, sure its stockpiled in the mint) by the start of 2013.

_Kaiser_

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The same buzzwords were trotted out when the LPT was announced :rolleyes:

And you know well that the difference between the LPT and IW is that the former has the ability to be taken at source by Revenue whereas IW doesn't.

Is this one of those Straw man arguments I hear so much about?

EazyD

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Gave me a great laugh thanks

What's there to laugh about? FG have lost a boatload of voters over the course of this year and many in the party are worried about their own prospects of re-election.

UCDVet

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The government will collapse and we'll be using "punt nua"(remember that, sure its stockpiled in the mint) by the start of 2013.

Reminds me of all the claims that the euro would collapse.

AlekSmart

FREETV wrote: »

Many more blockades need to happen.
You own the foothpaths in front of the houses.
It is called frontage and even grass that is growing there beside the footpaths outside is the owners or tenants responsibility to mow it.
It is your property that they are forcing installations of meters on without your permission and consent.

The issue,or problem FREETV,is that is exactly what's NOT happening.

The vast majority of installations are going ahead with little or no interest being shown by anybody,other than those householders lookin for an extra little bitta concrete here'n there .

However,in the past 24 Hours comes yet another example that Irish Water,as currently structured,is nothing more than a shambles....

THAT would be my focus for protest,and I very much hope this latest revelation becomes centre-stage in PR terms,immediately !!!

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/irish-water-call-out-charge-plans-revealed-645848.html

As a Citizen who had no real problem with complying with the return of the Irish Water form,today's news had decided me to do the opposite...I shall now wait and see....As far as I am concerned,the approved rate for the supply of domestic potable water INCLUDES any & all support and service work associated with it,other than any problems with the household plumbing itself which I fully accept as MY responsibility as it is now.

This latest revelation is yet another reason for the removal of John Tierney AND most of the Phil Hogan appointees to IW's managerial structure.

Irish Water,as currently structured,is significantly flawed and does NOT possess Management of sufficent proven competence and application to carry out their task.

From what I can see the lowest level of Irish Water Labouers are FAR more adept at performing their jobs than those senior management benefiting from "Performance Related Bonus Payments".

Little CuChulainn

AlekSmart wrote: »

The issue,or problem FREETV,is that is exactly what's NOT happening.

The vast majority of installations are going ahead with little or no interest being shown by anybody,other than those householders lookin for an extra little bitta concrete here'n there .

However,in the past 24 Hours comes yet another example that Irish Water,as currently structured,is nothing more than a shambles....

THAT would be my focus for protest,and I very much hope this latest revelation becomes centre-stage in PR terms,immediately !!!

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/irish-water-call-out-charge-plans-revealed-645848.html

As a Citizen who had no real problem with complying with the return of the Irish Water form,today's news had decided me to do the opposite...I shall now wait and see....As far as I am concerned,the approved rate for the supply of domestic potable water INCLUDES any & all support and service work associated with it,other than any problems with the household plumbing itself which I fully accept as MY responsibility as it is now.

This latest revelation is yet another reason for the removal of John Tierney AND most of the Phil Hogan appointees to IW's managerial structure.

Irish Water,as currently structured,is significantly flawed and does NOT possess Management of sufficent proven competence and application to carry out their task.

From what I can see the lowest level of Irish Water Labouers are FAR more adept at performing their jobs than those senior management benefiting from "Performance Related Bonus Payments".

They will fix your first leak on your property for free. After that it's up to you. Why would you have thought they would be maintaining your pipes?

Fr. Ned

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

They will fix your first leak on your property for free.

Source?
A recent one.

Guy:Incognito

FREETV wrote: »

You own the foothpaths in front of the houses.
It is called frontage and even grass that is growing there beside the footpaths outside is the owners or tenants responsibility to mow it.
It is your property that they are forcing installations of meters on without your permission and consent.

Where are you getting that rubbish from?


Does everyone with a lamp post in front of their house own the lamp post too? Maybe they should be paying for the electricity to run it? What about Dublin Bus shelters for the people in the capital, does the homeowner own that too? How come its illegal to park on a footpath if you own it? How come none of the utility companies have to ask your permission to dig the paths? Sure why not extend your garden walls all the way to the road and use all of "your" land as garden?

Maybe I'lll stick a toll on the path outside my house and get some money in.

AlekSmart

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

They will fix your first leak on your property for free. After that it's up to you. Why would you have thought they would be maintaining your pipes?

You misunderstand my post.

Please re-read the relevant part....

As far as I am concerned,the approved rate for the supply of domestic potable water INCLUDES any & all support and service work associated with it,other than any problems with the household plumbing itself which I fully accept as MY responsibility as it is now.

Today's announcement relates to General Call-Out charges,with nothing specified as to the location of the problem.

The issue is really about Price-Gouging,with IW's domestic rate now set at a level towards the very top of EU norms,coupled with,a significant raft of added charges compensating for the lack of a Standing Charge...Irish Water can have one or the other,it cannot be allowed to have BOTH (Unless the RTE model is being used as it's template ?)

My belief is that going forward I shall willingly pay a FAIR price,BUT,I shall not willingly pay a charge already inflated to cover infrastructure and then more on top of that.....I'm afraid Mr Tierney needs to do a bit more to justify this policy ?

rubberdiddies

The first fix again is just spin.
I know two people so far who believe they have a leak as their meter is racking up the litres.

IW have told them to call a plumber to fix it or else pay for the reading as it is in January as they said they won't be introducing first fix till 2015.

Also IW are trying to implement a €188 call out fee and a large hourly fee after that.

And some people still insist on paying their bills when they come in January??

Little CuChulainn

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

They will fix your first leak on your property for free. After that it's up to you. Why would you have thought they would be maintaining your pipes?

Only one metre from property boundry. Having had cause to call Eircom out in the not too distant past to an elderly relative, they can only fix as far as the connection box inside the house. Any further and they have to charge. However, he recommended we hire an electrician as it would be cheaper than Eircoms charges!

Uncle Ruckus

Oh Lordy, the young of today sure have a mighty sense of Liberal self entitlement. Back in my day we just used our water to hose down hippies. First bath most of them ever had in their lives. Damn, ungrateful beatniks. You give them a free bath and they still want government hand outs...Lord have mercy...

Timberrrrrrrr

Uncle Ruckus wrote: »

Oh Lordy, the young of today sure have a mighty sense of Liberal self entitlement. Back in my day we just used our water to hose down hippies. First bath most of them ever had in their lives. Damn, ungrateful beatniks. You give them a free bath and they still want government hand outs...Lord have mercy...

1950's Mississippi >>>>>>>>>>

Uncle Ruckus

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

1950's Mississippi >>>>>>>>>>

Well young 'un much like the Liffey the Mississippi full of sh!t as well and just because it was filtered through 20 thousand kindeys doesn't mean it is clean, in the 1950's we knew our water was clean because only Elvis was allowed swim in it

flutered

FREETV wrote: »

Anybody who can stand up, walk or wheel a wheelchair should attend any future protests and one should be held outside the Dail when the scum are there who are supposed to represent us all.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Protest-against-water-charges-in-the-republic-of-Ireland/213410058694008

Don't fall for the Irish Media spin and lies or the 100 Euro Tax Allowance.
It is a con.

the 100 tax allowance, the goverment is giving iw 100 for each eligible house, we ound out today their mentality

Fr. Ned

flutered wrote: »

the 100 tax allowance, the goverment is giving iw 100 for each eligible house, we ound out today their mentality

Don't claim it. It'll connect revenue to your water tax/charge.

Timberrrrrrrr

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Don't claim it. It'll connect revenue to your water tax/charge.

Paranoia replaces conspiracy theory itt :rolleyes:

Fr. Ned

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Paranoia replaces conspiracy theory itt :rolleyes:

Run along there....good chap.

Timberrrrrrrr

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Run along there....good chap.

Na


I'll just stay here debunking conspiracy and paranoia ta very much.

Fr. Ned

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The truth hurts, I guess

You wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit you.
You've spent weeks on this thread now posting lies about other posters, myself included.

Timberrrrrrrr

Fr. Ned wrote: »

You wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit you.
You've spent weeks on this thread now posting lies about other posters, myself included.

Paranoia

http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/conditions/paranoia-and-paranoid-disorders

Symptoms of paranoia and paranoid disorders include intense and irrational mistrust or suspicion,

Fr. Ned

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Paranoia

http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/conditions/paranoia-and-paranoid-disorders

Liar.

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"the man was a notorious liar"
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