Unpopular GAA opinions you hold

Flem31

megadodge wrote: »

.....eh, yes actually.

Galway competed in Munster between 1959 and 1969.

So they were competing in Munster as Tipp's dominance commenced.....more a coincidence than a consequence. In the previous four finals 55-58, there were four different winners

harpsman

RoyalCelt wrote: »

I really am devastated with some of the fixtures that could have been. While Dublin / Donegal was interesting from a tactical point of view imagine a Dublin v Kildare AI semi back then when Kildare were at their peak. And it would have been the rematch after Dublin robbed Kildare in the Leinster semi that year.

Another similar match up missed would have been Dublin & Meayh both losing in the AI semi finals in 2007. Imagine the two of them playing in the AI and the rivalry was a lot more intense that year especially after a draw and a replay in front of a full house.

Eh?? Kildare played against a 14 man Dublin and were 4 points down with a couple of minutes to go when they got a goal and a point to level it. Jounny Doyle spent most of the 2nd half in his own defence. Then Dublin got a free for an off the ball tackle which Kevin Mc Stay deemed to be unfair cos he was thought a draw would be more fair!! Anyway a rematch was not something anybody was particularly excited about seeing.

Wrt Meath Dublin in 07-is this a wind-up? Meath were hammered out the gate by a bad Cork team in front of a ridiculously small crowd-if ever a team didnt deserve to be in a final it was that Meath team

harpsman

There should be a unified and fixed club and county fixture list at the start of every year with the season starting 1st week in February and finishing on the October bank holiday with the club finals. The bulk of club and intercounty championship matches would be played over the Summer months.

The current situation is that despite GAA supposedly being a Summer sport there are more intercounty matches in January,February and March (each county has about 9 games in this period,depending on whatever pre-season comp theyre in) and most county finals are at the end of October, and the club championships start after that!!

This should be imposed from headquarters, which would save county boards from getting grief from county team managers. Personally I think county boards and clubs would be deighted to have this format. One caveat is that knockout matches would probably have to be decided on the day so possible penalties:eek: (think ive suggested this before somewhere)

Amprodude

Tipperary were better team than KK from 2009 and 2010 and should have won more.

Syferus

harpsman wrote: »

There should be a unified and fixed club and county fixture list at the start of every year with the season starting 1st week in February and finishing on the October bank holiday with the club finals. The bulk of club and intercounty championship matches would be played over the Summer months.

The current situation is that despite GAA supposedly being a Summer sport there are more intercounty matches in January,February and March (each county has about 9 games in this period,depending on whatever pre-season comp theyre in) and most county finals are at the end of October, and the club championships start after that!!

This should be imposed from headquarters, which would save county boards from getting grief from county team managers. Personally I think county boards and clubs would be deighted to have this format. One caveat is that knockout matches would probably have to be decided on the day so possible penalties:eek: (think ive suggested this before somewhere)

It is?

nice_guy80

Amprodude wrote: »

Tipperary were better team than KK from 2009 and 2010 and should have won more.

they were better for one game - the AI final.
that was it.

adrian522

nice_guy80 wrote: »

they were better for one game - the AI final.
that was it.

When games got close KK found a way to win while Tipp found a way to lose. Looking at this years league final I would say that not much has changed since then.

Incidentally how do we judge the best team if not by the games played between them?

Moneymaker

nice_guy80 wrote: »

they were better for one game - the AI final.
that was it.

I always felt Tipp deserved to win the final in 2009, they were the better team for long spells and the Kilkenny goalkeeper was MOTM, which tells you all you need to know.

I also remember KK getting a very soft penalty.

Amprodude

nice_guy80 wrote: »

they were better for one game - the AI final.
that was it.

2009 AIF Tipp were better team and it was sad not to see them winning for the way they played KK. KK were outclassed and outplayed for most of the game and only for a moment of crazyness from B Dunne and a lovely soft penalty they would have defintely have been defeated that day. In 2011 KK were far superior to Tipp but then again things started to fall apart long before the final for Tipp.

Martin567

Amprodude wrote: »

2009 AIF Tipp were better team and it was sad not to see them winning for the way they played KK. KK were outclassed and outplayed for most of the game and only for a moment of crazyness from B Dunne and a lovely soft penalty they would have defintely have been defeated that day. In 2011 KK were far superior to Tipp but then again things started to fall apart long before the final for Tipp.

No, they weren't!

freddiek

Hill 16

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I don't think the Dubs would win half the games they do in Croke Park were it not for the Hill.

nice_guy80

freddiek wrote: »

Hill 16

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I don't think the Dubs would win half the games they do in Croke Park were it not for the Hill.

they used to lose a lot of games due to the Hill going very quiet!
think 2006 v Mayo.

the Hill gets frustrated very quickly and gets on the Dubs' players back once things aren't going well

wicklowwonder

Speaking of the Hill. Due to it been the only terrace and tickets cheaper there I think it should be split half and half between both teams playing there. Dublin shouldn't have the monopoly.

Prop Joe

wicklowwonder wrote: »

Speaking of the Hill. Due to it been the only terrace and tickets cheaper there I think it should be split half and half between both teams playing there. Dublin shouldn't have the monopoly.

:rolleyes:

Jaysus!!!! They don't get the majority,They just end up swapping alot of stand tickets for the terrace

Moneymaker

Here we go again.

:rolleyes:

Fr Tod Umptious

wicklowwonder wrote: »

Speaking of the Hill. Due to it been the only terrace and tickets cheaper there I think it should be split half and half between both teams playing there. Dublin shouldn't have the monopoly.

Mayo had a pretty big presence on Hill 16 in the 2013 final

Amprodude

Martin567 wrote: »

No, they weren't!

Take off the black and amber glasses.

zombieHanalei

Doesn't really matter how well Tipp played in 2009, all their good play counted for nothing as they were ultimately outscored. Regardless of who was better that was an absolute cracker; a fantastic trilogy of finals delivered to us by those two counties in 09-10-11.

savannahkat

Amprodude wrote: »

2009 AIF Tipp were better team and it was sad not to see them winning for the way they played KK. KK were outclassed and outplayed for most of the game and only for a moment of crazyness from B Dunne and a lovely soft penalty they would have defintely have been defeated that day. In 2011 KK were far superior to Tipp but then again things started to fall apart long before the final for Tipp.

Not just an unpopular opinion but a minority one as well.

robbiezero

zombieHanalei wrote: »

Doesn't really matter how well Tipp played in 2009, all their good play counted for nothing as they were ultimately outscored. Regardless of who was better that was an absolute cracker; a fantastic trilogy of finals delivered to us by those two counties in 09-10-11.

I thought the 2011 final was a pile of ****e. Am a Tipp man, was at the two previous All-Irelands and knew after 10 minutes something was radically wrong. All the intensity and physicality that Tipp showed in the previous two All-Irelands was non-existent. Beaten by only 4 in the end, thanks to an excellent defensive effort, but was only ever 1 team going to win that match, Tipp were lucky it wasn't a 10 points plus beating.

ArielAtom

Kildare have been a below average team for quite some time now and their support still see's them as a realistic Leinster challenger.

Royce McCutcheon

ArielAtom wrote: »

Kildare have been a below average team for quite some time now and their support still see's them as a realistic Leinster challenger.

What would you classify as below average? They beat Down by 10 points in Newry last week scoring 1-16 from play, Not many below average teams could achieve that in my opinion. The expectation amongst Kildare supporters at the moment is fairly low with most people being happy if we were even number two in Leinster, nobody whatsoever see's us having much of a chance against Dublin in the county.

davidfitz22

Instead of begrudging them, the rest of the country should enjoy watching dublins fluid,athletic football.

adrian522

Amprodude wrote: »

2009 AIF Tipp were better team and it was sad not to see them winning for the way they played KK. KK were outclassed and outplayed for most of the game and only for a moment of crazyness from B Dunne and a lovely soft penalty they would have defintely have been defeated that day. In 2011 KK were far superior to Tipp but then again things started to fall apart long before the final for Tipp.

They weren't the better team and they certainly didn't outclass Kilkenny. They stood up to Kilkenny very well for 60ish minutes, but their leaders and best players went missing in the last 10 mins when the game was on the line.

Kelly and Corbett in particular disappeared at this time. The same thing happened in the league final that year, Tipp played well, really put it up to Kilkenny but couldn't close it out when the game was there to be won.

I don't know how you define "outclassed" but this most certainly was not it. For outclassed reference the 2012 All Ireland semi final.

CrabRevolution

davidfitz22 wrote: »

Instead of begrudging them, the rest of the country should enjoy watching dublins fluid,athletic football.

Thats not really how sport works though is it? You arent going to openly start gushing praise about Dublin no matter how super they play. Same with Barca, Spain, Man Utd, Leinster, Munster etc. in recent years. People will always always detract and say negative things about winning teams.

Of course its only a coincidence that these detractors are fans of teams which arent winning. Absolutely no connection between the fact they constantly complain about Man U./Dublin/Leinster and the fact that they are Liverpool/Meath/Ulster fans.

Worst of all is the whole "If X team hadnt Y player/manager they'd have been bottom of the league instead of World Champions", as though this invalidates a teams success. Well guess what? They did have Y, so they are champions, that's how it works.

Dots1982

Everyone raved about Gooch at no.11 last year but I think Colm Cooper would have been better used in the full forward line for Kerry with Declan O'Sullivan a better foot passer at 11. Keep your biggest goal threats close to goal.

Gooch had a good year but Declan had a terrible one and a switch there could have improved both.

davidfitz22

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Thats not really how sport works though is it? You arent going to openly start gushing praise about Dublin no matter how super they play. Same with Barca, Spain, Man Utd, Leinster, Munster etc. in recent years. People will always always detract and say negative things about winning teams.

Of course its only a coincidence that these detractors are fans of teams which arent winning. Absolutely no connection between the fact they constantly complain about Man U./Dublin/Leinster and the fact that they are Liverpool/Meath/Ulster fans.

Worst of all is the whole "If X team hadnt Y player/manager they'd have been bottom of the league instead of World Champions", as though this invalidates a teams success. Well guess what? They did have Y, so they are champions, that's how it works.

But with Dublin it's not the Team it's the county that people have the issue with, we are always told "Dublins a bad place "the people of dublin are bad" etc. How could dublin and lets say, sligo have a rivalry? yet even if dublin played mayo or a close rival to sligo they will hapilly see dublin lose. this tribal mentality is embedded into us and the rest of the country to want to see them lose.

CrabRevolution

davidfitz22 wrote: »

But with Dublin it's not the Team it's the county that people have the issue with, we are always told "Dublins a bad place "the people of dublin are bad" etc. How could dublin and lets say, sligo have a rivalry? yet even if dublin played mayo or a close rival to sligo they will hapilly see dublin lose. this tribal mentality is embedded into us and the rest of the country to want to see them lose.

Because it's generally boring to see favorites win all the time? People like an underdog to win, its fairly straightforward. Its the same with every sport on earth. At the world cup, nearly everyone I heard wanted Brazil, as hosts and arguably favorites to lose at every opportunity.

Same with the All Blacks, a lot of people all over the world were tweeting and commenting support for Ireland when they were playing the game of their lives vs New Zealand last year. It's good to see a sporting giant get knocked off their perch.

Amprodude

savannahkat wrote: »

Not just an unpopular opinion but a minority one as well.

Your opinion but i think Tipp outclassed KK that day. They didnt have the balls to finish the job.

Hulk Hands

savannahkat wrote: »

Not just an unpopular opinion but a minority one as well.

Well the two would generally go hand in hand alright

adrian522

Amprodude wrote: »

Your opinion but i think Tipp outclassed KK that day. They didnt have the balls to finish the job.

Are you ever going to respond to the question of how exactly Tipp outclassed Kilkenny that day despite going to pieces in the last 10mins and never being more than about 4 or 5 points up at any stage.

You would think "outclassed" would imply being on top of the opposition for pretty much the whole game.

Maybe you were thinking about the 2008 All Ireland, there was an example of one team "outclassing" another.

robbiezero

adrian522 wrote: »

Are you ever going to respond to the question of how exactly Tipp outclassed Kilkenny that day despite going to pieces in the last 10mins and never being more than about 4 or 5 points up at any stage.

You would think "outclassed" would imply being on top of the opposition for pretty much the whole game.

Maybe you were thinking about the 2008 All Ireland, there was an example of one team "outclassing" another.

I think Kilkenny closed the game out well and deserved to win, but only just about as befits the superb tight game that it was.
It was a great performance from Tipp and one of those games where a puck of all could/did make a huge difference. After the sending off, Michael Kavanagh mopped up a lot of ball in the last 10 minutes as the loose man. Kilkenny subs all made a difference when they came on (particularly M Comerford) whereas tired Tipp men were not replaced or were replaced by players not of the same standard.
The next year Tipp made sure they had a bench to finish the game and the Tipp subs made a huge impact when they came in.

A cracking game and its not fair to either team to say players went missing or were outclassed (neither team was outclassed).

Amprodude

adrian522 wrote: »

Are you ever going to respond to the question of how exactly Tipp outclassed Kilkenny that day despite going to pieces in the last 10mins and never being more than about 4 or 5 points up at any stage.

You would think "outclassed" would imply being on top of the opposition for pretty much the whole game.

Maybe you were thinking about the 2008 All Ireland, there was an example of one team "outclassing" another.

They played better than KK for most of the game. Need to know anymore? KK got a penalty with a loose decision that set them up and practically handed then the All Ireland. Tipp fell apart after that. Any team would.

Realt Dearg Sec

Amprodude wrote: »

They played better than KK for most of the game. Need to know anymore? KK got a penalty with a loose decision that set them up and practically handed then the All Ireland. Tipp fell apart after that. Any team would.

Except a team that was so classy it was outclassing that Kilkenny team. Which they weren't.

Amprodude

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Except a team that was so classy it was outclassing that Kilkenny team. Which they weren't.

Read the thread title. Its my opinion.

Realt Dearg Sec

Amprodude wrote: »

Read the thread title. Its my opinion.

Right. And my response is my opinion. Not sure I get what the problem is.

Godge

freddiek wrote: »

Hill 16

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I don't think the Dubs would win half the games they do in Croke Park were it not for the Hill.

As Dublin don't win every game they play in Croke Park (they have lost quite a few over the years), winning half the games they play in (say 35% of games) would mean they would probably win about 1 Leinster title in ten years and never an All-Ireland?

dundalkfc10

Dublin would be knocked out of Leinster alot more if they didnt have a HOME game every time they play

Realt Dearg Sec

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Dublin would be knocked out of Leinster alot more if they didnt have a HOME game every time they play

Yeah I'm sure if that match today had been in trim Meath would have been out the gap at half time...

Dirty Dingus McGee

The NFL is more entertaining than the championship and has been this way for the last 5 or 6 years since more emphasis has been put on the NFL by the teams.

Intercounty GAA is unimportant in the grand scheme of the association and should be used primarily as an advertisement for the GAA. This means that every effort should be made to make the championship as entertaining as possible even if it means having different rules for inter county game compared to club game then so be it.

The only thing that will improve Gaelic Football is a rule that outlaws the blanket defence. i.e. only 10 men allowed behind the 65 of the goal a team is defending.All other rule changes are pointless as long as the blanket defence exists.

dundalkfc10

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

The NFL is more entertaining than the championship and has been this way for the last 5 or 6 years since more emphasis has been put on the NFL by the teams.

Intercounty GAA is unimportant in the grand scheme of the association and should be used primarily as an advertisement for the GAA. This means that every effort should be made to make the championship as entertaining as possible even if it means having different rules for inter county game compared to club game then so be it.

The only thing that will improve Gaelic Football is a rule that outlaws the blanket defence. i.e. only 10 men allowed behind the 65 of the goal a team is defending.All other rule changes are pointless as long as the blanket defence exists.

Have always said this!

Hibbeler

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

The NFL is more entertaining than the championship and has been this way for the last 5 or 6 years since more emphasis has been put on the NFL by the teams.

Intercounty GAA is unimportant in the grand scheme of the association and should be used primarily as an advertisement for the GAA. This means that every effort should be made to make the championship as entertaining as possible even if it means having different rules for inter county game compared to club game then so be it.

The only thing that will improve Gaelic Football is a rule that outlaws the blanket defence. i.e. only 10 men allowed behind the 65 of the goal a team is defending.All other rule changes are pointless as long as the blanket defence exists.

I would agree with you there but how would you police it. Are you suggesting a linesman is tasked to constantly count the no of players in each half?


I would personally be more in favour of rules to encourage attacking football rather than discourage defending. Just off the top of my head perhaps if they adopted the scoring system from the international rules it would encourage teams to get forward and shoot more?

Dirty Dingus McGee

Hibbeler wrote: »

I would agree with you there but how would you police it. Are you suggesting a linesman is tasked to constantly count the no of players in each half?


I would personally be more in favour of rules to encourage attacking football rather than discourage defending. Just off the top of my head perhaps if they adopted the scoring system from the international rules it would encourage teams to get forward and shoot more?

Pretty much.They would only have to count to 5 and the linesmen do very little as it is so just get them to keep an eye on it. Introduce a harsh penalty for breaking the rule like a free from the 21 straight in front of the goal and this would get teams to abide by the rule fairly quickly.

CurryFlavoured

The late changes to team lineups craic is stupid and takes away the point of announcing your team in the first place.

dundalkfc10

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

The late changes to team lineups craic is stupid and takes away the point of announcing your team in the first place.

Pretty sure they have to name a team now by the GAA so this is prob why, cause some managers might not know the final 15 until the day

liam7831

Jim McGuinness running on to the pitch like an under 12 ?? Its only ulster like

Moneymaker

liam7831 wrote: »

Jim McGuinness running on to the pitch like an under 12 ?? Its only ulster like

A manager showing passion? How dare he!

:rolleyes:

Davarus Walrus

The lack of senior success for Galway in hurling is as a result of players being put up on a pedestal at underage and school level. Developing an ego in Loughrea, Portumna, Gort and Athenry because they have a knack for hurling. A couple of years later they emerge out of GMIT with a belly and a self-belief complex.

freedominacup

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

The only thing that will improve Gaelic Football is a rule that outlaws the blanket defence. i.e. only 10 men allowed behind the 65 of the goal a team is defending.All other rule changes are pointless as long as the blanket defence exists.

Change the football. A ball that was lighter and capable of travelling a lot further would negate much of the blanket defence problem. Those blanket defences are there to be taken anyway but it requires that the opposition commit men to the attack. Football managers love these defensive tactics as they are relatively easy to coach and don't require any great degree of skill from players. Players actions are easy to proscribe in that scenario as well whereas attacking football requires that players are allowed to play what's in front of them and more off the cuff. Football is dominated by negatitvty and cynicism. Any rule change which seeks to curb these tactics is greeted by howls of derision from the county managers and funnily enough they get their way most of the time.

nice_guy80

freedominacup wrote: »

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Change the football. A ball that was lighter and capable of travelling a lot further would negate much of the blanket defence problem. Those blanket defences are there to be taken anyway but it requires that the opposition commit men to the attack. Football managers love these defensive tactics as they are relatively easy to coach and don't require any great degree of skill from players. Players actions are easy to proscribe in that scenario as well whereas attacking football requires that players are allowed to play what's in front of them and more off the cuff. Football is dominated by negatitvty and cynicism. Any rule change which seeks to curb these tactics is greeted by howls of derision from the county managers and funnily enough they get their way most of the time.

I think they will have to even out the funding to counties.

Dublin clubs have full time staff to organise coaching. Clubs outside Dublin don't have anything like that