Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

Headshot

I was hoping Val would have a some what good WC, so maybe another club might want to buy him. Guess that wont be happening

Paul Tergat

Val is done imo. Offers nothing at all

Zico

Larry Wildman wrote: »

The fact that we were league champions is a red herring.

Everton clearly had a head start on us finishing 5th.

Unearthly

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Val is done imo. Offers nothing at all

Rte sounded surprised he was poor. Must have not seen him since 2012

Liam O

This DoF talk is even more stupid considering that LVG is pretty much one of them and Woodward would have to sign off and work on any deals too. How do people think it goes when Woodward talks to a player? "Oh don't mind me, you probably won't join us, we're not very good, I'll give you half of what Chelsea will, we'll probably only offer your club less than they'll accept for you anyway so it doesn't matter."

The only thing holding up deals I'd the WC. Shaw is signed as far as I'm concerned, there'll be a couple of Dutch young lads for midfield and a marquee winger I'd say. Hopefully Sanchez.

RobertKK

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Chatter on Twitter that De Gea has done his hip in and is out for the rest of the WC

What a pity, hopefully nothing too serious.

Casillas can keep the embarrassment going so, if Reina is not trusted.

Timmyctc

Reports elsewhere saying 10 days out for De Gea. See people quote DTGuardian on twitter. Saying deal for Schweinsteiger almost done. Dunno how old the tweet is because I'm on a windows phone and its **** so if someone else would research that and get back to me that'd be just swell.

Oh nvrmind . Its that fake account theyre referencing.

RobertKK

I know we need midfield players and player in the defense, but the wingers at United are rather woeful - exclude Januzaj.
Young - basically won the lottery when he joined United. Sell
Valencia - was good but now more famous for hitting defenders with the ball.
Nani - good if he was not an injury waiting to happen everytime he plays.

Sell all three, go after Alexis Sanchez and Arjen Robben, and watch United rain down goals against the opposition.
Robben at 30 looks like he has a lot of years left on the clock still, world class.

I think Fergie won the league in 2013, because the wingers did far more than they did the last season.
Wingers that got worse combined with a midfield that got worse was our downfall combined with injuries to RVP and Rooney.

Some say the wingers area is not the most important area we need to fix but I think it is as bad as our midfield and parts of our defense.

Watching the Ecuador game, I don't think anyone was thinking how lucky we are to have Valencia in our team.

shadowcomplex

RobertKK wrote: »

I know we need midfield players and player in the defense, but the wingers at United are rather woeful - exclude Januzaj.
Young - basically won the lottery when he joined United. Sell
Valencia - was good but now more famous for hitting defenders with the ball.
Nani - good if he was not an injury waiting to happen everytime he plays.

Sell all three, go after Alexis Sanchez and Arjen Robben, and watch United rain down goals against the opposition.
Robben at 30 looks like he has a lot of years left on the clock still, world class.

I think Fergie won the league in 2013, because the wingers did far more than they did the last season.
Wingers that got worse combined with a midfield that got worse was our downfall combined with injuries to RVP and Rooney.

Some say the wingers area is not the most important area we need to fix but I think it is as bad as our midfield and parts of our defense.

Watching the Ecuador game, I don't think anyone was thinking how lucky we are to have Valencia in our team.

robben looked 40 when he was 24:p

billyhead

RobertKK wrote: »

I know we need midfield players and player in the defense, but the wingers at United are rather woeful - exclude Januzaj.
Young - basically won the lottery when he joined United. Sell
Valencia - was good but now more famous for hitting defenders with the ball.
Nani - good if he was not an injury waiting to happen everytime he plays.

Sell all three, go after Alexis Sanchez and Arjen Robben, and watch United rain down goals against the opposition.
Robben at 30 looks like he has a lot of years left on the clock still, world class.

I think Fergie won the league in 2013, because the wingers did far more than they did the last season.
Wingers that got worse combined with a midfield that got worse was our downfall combined with injuries to RVP and Rooney.

Some say the wingers area is not the most important area we need to fix but I think it is as bad as our midfield and parts of our defense.

Watching the Ecuador game, I don't think anyone was thinking how lucky we are to have Valencia in our team.

Do you honestly think we could sign Robben. Not a hope he would leave Bayern when he is one of their star names and is guaranteed CL football every year

Deiseboy01

Zico wrote: »

Jesus, that's just an amazingly vague collection of words.

Ill make it simple for the crayola brigade.

Do you really think a senior business leader at a company worth over a billion dollars is incapable of hiring staff?

Personally id say a guy who is responsible for signing hundreds of millions worth of commercial deals can agree a 30m transfer and a few mill in wages.

Back to my original point. Having the ability to source key staff is core skill for business leaders. If Woodward cant do that he wouldnt be where he is today.

Son Of A Vidic

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Chatter on Twitter that De Gea has done his hip in and is out for the rest of the WC

All going well, Spain won't make it out of the group and De Gea will be well rested for the start of the season.

Iseedeadpixels

Silly Pogba.

VW 1

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Silly Pogba.

Silly Pogba? He did well not to get up and floor Palacios.

Disgusting out of Palacios if anything, referee bottled it not giving him a red.

Lord TSC

VW 1 wrote: »

Silly Pogba? He did well not to get up and floor Palacios.

Disgusting out of Palacios if anything, referee bottled it not giving him a red.

Regardless, can't lash out like that. Both should have gone....

RobertKK

billyhead wrote: »

Do you honestly think we could sign Robben. Not a hope he would leave Bayern when he is one of their star names and is guaranteed CL football every year

Very unlikely, but is a possibility. The only thing we have that is a positive is the manager, and he has plenty of time to sweet talk Arjen and while at it Daley Blind.
I agree with you, LVG has his work cut out to get Robben, I am sure he would love to have him at United.
Getting him is another story.

dahat

Robben himself said not a hope of him leaving Bayern just before the World Cup so I would be stunned beyond belief if he did leave.

bucketybuck

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Ill make it simple for the crayola brigade.

Do you really think a senior business leader at a company worth over a billion dollars is incapable of hiring staff?

Personally id say a guy who is responsible for signing hundreds of millions worth of commercial deals can agree a 30m transfer and a few mill in wages.

Back to my original point. Having the ability to source key staff is core skill for business leaders. If Woodward cant do that he wouldnt be where he is today.

Maybe you should go back to the crayons, because you seem to forget that senior business leaders at multi-billion dollar companies fail all the time. Just because a guy gets where he is today does not automatically mean he is a success or will be a success in his present role.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/twitter/10056570/Twitter-CEO-resigns-as-UK-boss-after-accounting-fiasco.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthof/2014/01/15/yahoo-coo-henrique-de-castro-leaving-report/

If David Moyes couldn't source key staff he wouldn't be where he is today. Right?

Iseedeadpixels

VW 1 wrote: »

Silly Pogba? He did well not to get up and floor Palacios.

Disgusting out of Palacios if anything, referee bottled it not giving him a red.

Cant lash out regardless.

Edit: Karma for Palacios

Cantona's Collars

Headshot wrote: »

I was hoping Val would have a some what good WC, so maybe another club might want to buy him. Guess that wont be happening

This looks painfully familiar from Valencia.

collie0708

Lads does anyone know when the New Jersey will be released???? Thought is was normally the first week in June.

Zico

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Back to my original point. Having the ability to source key staff is core skill for business leaders. If Woodward cant do that he wouldnt be where he is today.

Really?

I would have thought being successful is all that matters, regardless of how you get there.

If you have to paint a picture then you're doing it wrong.

Winners don't explain.

statto25

collie0708 wrote: »

Lads does anyone know when the New Jersey will be released???? Thought is was normally the first week in June.

According to work its not out until July.

RobertKK

dahat wrote: »

Robben himself said not a hope of him leaving Bayern just before the World Cup so I would be stunned beyond belief if he did leave.

Doesn't stop the rumours though, how true or fake they are.

Manchester United have set their sights on raiding Bayern Munich and will try to lure Arjen Robben and Bastian Schweinsteiger.
United have a long list of transfer targets as they attempt to get back into the Champions League and will test the German title winners' resolve with big-money offers for their stars.
It is understood incoming United manager Louis van Gaal prefers Schweinsteiger to German team mate Toni Kroos and despite his denials, Robben could also be lured to Old Trafford after the World Cup.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2658025/Arjen-Robben-Bastian-Schweisteiger-Manchester-Uniteds-sights.html#ixzz34kFNMeNW
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with the claim Rooney could be forced out of United.

And any switch would mean Wayne Rooney possibly being a peripheral player at United next season – and having to look elsewhere for regular football.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2658025/Arjen-Robben-Bastian-Schweisteiger-Manchester-Uniteds-sights.html#ixzz34kFvmqgK
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Rooney would be a very expensive fringe player.

Zico

statto25 wrote: »

According to work its not out until July.

Do you work at black market stalls on Moore Street?

Cantona's Collars

RobertKK wrote: »

Rooney would be a very expensive fringe player.

He has a very expensive fringe :pac:

Deiseboy01

Zico wrote: »

Really?

I would have thought being successful is all that matters, regardless of how you get there.

If you have to paint a picture then you're doing it wrong.

Winners don't explain.

Riiiight.....now that you ve put it like that I totally understand...............you're a goon.

Time for me to check out.

close season really brings out the worst Iin this thread.

Deiseboy01

Zico wrote: »

Really?

I would have thought being successful is all that matters, regardless of how you get there.

If you have to paint a picture then you're doing it wrong.

Winners don't explain.

Riiiight.....now that you ve put it like that I totally understand...............you're a goon.

Time for me to check out.

close season really brings out the worst Iin this thread.

tosspot

RobertKK wrote: »

Doesn't stop the rumours though, how true or fake they are.



with the claim Rooney could be forced out of United.



Rooney would be a very expensive fringe player.

Rooney won't be a fringe player at United. I feel people are wrongly buying into the negative media surrounding him making him the scapegoat for United and England over the last few years. Against Italy, granted it wasn't a great game from him but he still came up with a quality assist. He's one of those players that can come up with something even on an off day.
Personally I thought Baines, Johnson and Gerrard were all worse than him last night, yet he is the medias' scapegoat once again.
Last year he was easily United's best player playing in a system without any real direction. Really looking forward to next season to see what LVG can do with himself, Kagawa and Nani. Expecting big seasons off all 3 of them with the new man in charge.

DM_7

Pjanic

Want

Another one to add to the 'envy other clubs midfield player' list, the world cup is a pain

Zico

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Riiiight.....now that you ve put it like that I totally understand...............you're a goon.

Time for me to check out.

close season really brings out the worst Iin this thread.

I've no problem with this post at all. I'll admit to being a goon if it get's him off a yellow. No harm here.

glued

DM-ICE wrote: »

Pjanic

Want

Another one to add to the 'envy other clubs midfield player' list, the world cup is a pain

Better player than Strootman but a different kind of player. Would be a nice acquisition

Vic Vinegar

DM-ICE wrote: »

Pjanic

Want

Another one to add to the 'envy other clubs midfield player' list, the world cup is a pain

He's very good, just signed a new contract though. Boo-urns.

kryogen

glued wrote: »

Better player than Strootman but a different kind of player. Would be a nice acquisition

His manager will walk if the club sell him

The_Kew_Tour

I want all the best players at the WC Ted:P

DARK-KNIGHT

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I want all the best players at the WC Ted:P

now dougal these are realistic targets and they are very unrealistic targets

statto25

Zico wrote: »

Do you work at black market stalls on Moore Street?

No I actually work for one of the "Good Sellers"! It's not out until the middle of July.

Lord TSC

BBC saying Southampton will announce their new manager today which should speed along the Shaw deal hopefully.

Telegraph saying we have agreed personal details with Vermealan (who she's name Inshould probably learn to spell if he is joining us).

J. Marston

Arsenal's injury prone, back-up centre half is our first signing?

Christ almighty.

RobertKK

Yeah about £10 million for Vermaelen is the rumour.

KH25

I would have thought we would be in for a bigger name at CB. Vermaelen is decent but not much of an upgrade on what we have. Not bad cover though.

Personally I'd love to see jones/Smalling/Evans really make a name for themselves this year but I don't know if they can do it. Evans has been the best of the three and is quite reliable. The other 2 are hit and miss although they have never had a proper run at CB as Evans had.

Mitch Connor

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/10902101/Arsenal-captain-Thomas-Vermaelen-agrees-deal-to-join-Manchester-United-this-summer.html

Arsenal captain Thomas Vermaelen has agreed a deal in principle to join Manchester United this summer.
United must now agree a fee with Arsenal after the World Cup, but Vermaelen hopes to move to Old Trafford and is preparing to leave the Emirates...

Painful, fecking painful. No better than the CBs we already have imo. Surprised this is being follow up on to be honest. It was flagged up in the fanzines a while back so I would have assumed he was a Moyes target - don't really understand the reasoning behind it.

I dont understand this bit at all, who fecking cares who is agent is?

He shares the same agent as Robin van Persie and that is understood to have been key to United’s interest.

KH25

Could amount to nothing lads. We'll see. That said I'll just trust LVG.

The_Kew_Tour

Would not be totally shocked if true, but Arsenal will become our feeder club soon if this continues

titan18

Eurghh, Vermaelen. Maybe LVG can turn him into a decent DM as I don't want him anywhere near a CB spot

Mitch Connor

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Would not be totally shocked if true, but Arsenal will become our feeder club soon if this continues

Could we not got take Ramsey from them instead then?

beno619

Ugh. He's experienced I guess, I would take issue with him walking into the side. He should have to fight for a spot with Jones and Smalling.

KH25

beno619 wrote: »

Ugh. He's experienced I guess, I would take issue with him walking into the side. He should have to fight for a spot with Jones and Smalling.

Nothing to suggest that won't be the case though. We do need cover at CB. I would have thought we'd go for a bigger name but he is a good player and if CM is properly addressed that will help out our defence massively.

bucketybuck

KH25 wrote: »

Not bad cover though.

Is cover what we need? We have enough squad players as far as I am concerned.

If we were picking him up on a free transfer then grand, sign him up. But paying £10 million? I don't know about that.

bad2dabone

beno619 wrote: »

Ugh. He's experienced I guess, I would take issue with him walking into the side. He should have to fight for a spot with Jones and Smalling.

I’m surprised at this move, I don’t consider him an upgrade on any CB you have at the club. He’s very professional by all accounts, his attitude is good.
But positionally he’s a liability – that’s the reason why he’s gone from Captain to third choice. He’s prone to being dragged out of position, often. He’s prone to costly individual errors – air swings etc.
And he can be a little bit bullied by physical forwards, shied away from tackling lukaku for instance in the league game vs everton.
Nice for him to be getting 100k a week though. But to be honest I don’t see him as being good enough. He’s trading our bench for yours and getting a payrise.