Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

Spazdarn

Mitch Connor wrote: »

personal preference, and i'd actually hope a new CB comes in to take one of the spots regardless.

He's better than both, and much better than Smalling imo.

dulux99

Mitch Connor wrote: »

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De Gea
Rafael--Smalling--Jones--Shaw

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XXXXXX

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Herrera

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Mata
---Rooney--RVP--Di Maria.

With Di Maria being given a floating role, similar to what he did for Mardrid on occassion last season. Not sure about the midfield though, I do know Herrera gets stuck in, but a midfield of him, Mata and even Vidal or De Jong could potentially be too open. Mata would need to get stuck in to the midfield battle too.

That's what I'd be worried about. I think if Di Maria comes in, we could see one of our bigger name players essentially frozen out. I don't know a whole lot about LVG admittedly, but I slightly worry for Juan Mata

Spazdarn

Hummels, Vidal and Di Maria.

Feels like I'm playing Football Manager!

Mitch Connor

ToiletFusion wrote: »

He's better than both, and much better than Smalling imo.

Fine, it is hardly important to the current discussion.

FWIW, I believe both Jones and Smalling would/will surpass Evans if they are actually given a run at centre back.

Mitch Connor

glued wrote: »

Di Maria's best position is as part of a midfield 3.

He's done pretty fecking well for the rest of his career as a more traditional wide player, with the move central really only happening since Bale signed for Madrid, so I don't think it an issue.

Mitch Connor

dulux99 wrote: »

That's what I'd be worried about. I think if Di Maria comes in, we could see one of our bigger name players essentially frozen out. I don't know a whole lot about LVG admittedly, but I slightly worry for Juan Mata

If we look to play 433, as in the formation I guess at, Mata could be in trouble regardless of Di Maria coming in.

Brendan Flowers

I've posted this formation before but I've updated now to see how I'd fit in Di Maria. Seems the best option to fit everyone in (and Rooney in his preferred position) if the dream happened and Vidal and Di Maria were signed.

bucketybuck

Mitch Connor wrote: »

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De Gea
Rafael--Smalling--Jones--Shaw

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XXXXXX

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Herrera

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Mata
---Rooney--RVP--Di Maria.

Again, Rooney is the one that doesn't fit.

Mitch Connor

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

I've posted this formation before but I've updated now to see how I'd fit in Di Maria. Seems the best option to fit everyone in (and Rooney in his preferred position) if the dream happened and Vidal and Di Maria were signed.

http://i60.tinypic.com/dg2ck5.jpg

Not a fan, no balance to that formation at all.

dulux99

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

I've posted this formation before but I've updated now to see how I'd fit in Di Maria. Seems the best option to fit everyone in (and Rooney in his preferred position) if the dream happened and Vidal and Di Maria were signed.

Realistically, any decent team we come up against will beat us with that. No balance.

StaticAge11

I'd say we could stick with the Diamond midfield formation

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De Gea

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Rafael---Smalling---Jones---Shaw

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Carrick

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(or whichever defensive midfielder we sign)

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Herrera

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Di Maria/Vidal

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Mata

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Rooney---RVP

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That formation could easily be adapted to 3-5-2 to allow the full backs to double as wingers, with the defensive midfielder basicall acting like a 3rd centre half while Rafael/Shaw push forward.
It also could be adapted to a 4-5-1 with Mata/Rooney covering the wings while RVP is the lone striker, but personally I think Mata would be wasted out wide

The_Kew_Tour

Beautiful morning.

And may I wish the Orangemen all the best this week.

Mitch Connor

bucketybuck wrote: »

Again, Rooney is the one that doesn't fit.

Indeed - I'd sell Rooney, but I do feel even LVG is going to shoehorn him into the side somehow.

glued

Mitch Connor wrote: »

He's done pretty fecking well for the rest of his career as a more traditional wide player, with the move central really only happening since Bale signed for Madrid, so I don't think it an issue.

Yep but only at Real Madrid did he first begin to play out wide. He started in a midfield three for Benfica.

He's a fine player and we really should go after him if he's available

Mitch Connor

glued wrote: »

Yep but only at Real Madrid did he first begin to play out wide. He started in a midfield three for Benfica.

He's a fine player and we really should go after him if he's available

You sure? My memory of him at the time he trasfered to Madrid was that he was an exciting winger.

A quick google now indicates he played on the wing for Benfica, and was described as a winger when Madrid signed him.

TheDoc

Strong indication that Bayern and MAdrid are close to an agreement for Kroos. €25m the rumoured fee and the deal will be announced once the WC finishes and Kroos signs off.

Will be seriously annoyed if that comes to pass, €25m for him is outragously good business, and seriously bad business on our part if we were in with a shout.

TheDoc

OUt of interest did Januzaj get any WC playtime?

IncognitoMan

We probably were in for him and he probably chose real over us. Same goes with fabergas. This is the aftermath of last season. Can't blame him either moving to the European champions

fish fingers

TheDoc wrote: »

OUt of interest did Januzaj get any WC playtime?

I think he played the third group match.

bullvine

TheDoc wrote: »

OUt of interest did Januzaj get any WC playtime?

Started last group game

Trigger

TheDoc wrote: »

OUt of interest did Januzaj get any WC playtime?

Played an Hour against Korea.

glued

Mitch Connor wrote: »

You sure? My memory of him at the time he trasfered to Madrid was that he was an exciting winger.

A quick google now indicates he played on the wing for Benfica, and was described as a winger when Madrid signed him.

No he was in a midfield three with Ramires and Javi Garcia and they were fantastic together.

People called him a winger because he attacked so much but it's a lazy analysis of his play. For Madrid he often did actually play as a winger but even his best performances for Madrid have come as part of a midfield three.

Spazdarn

Looks like Januzaj and Kagawa are the names getting marginalised from that formation.

Brendan Flowers

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

I've posted this formation before but I've updated now to see how I'd fit in Di Maria. Seems the best option to fit everyone in (and Rooney in his preferred position) if the dream happened and Vidal and Di Maria were signed.

That lineup gives me a stirring in me pants,just to see those names! Never mind if the formation would actually work!

Mikeyt086

I did a quick mock-up of how I think our kits would look if we go with Adidas or Warrior.

Vic Vinegar

That's brilliant Mikey!

MagicIRL

.CO.UK?

YOU'VE CHANGED MIKEY, YOU'VE CHANGED.

IncognitoMan

I'm tweeting that out ha

Adamcp898

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

I did a quick mock-up of how I think our kits would look if we go with Adidas or Warrior.

That Adidas one actually looks class.

This certainly would be Ed's most best received sponsorship deal ever if it does turn out to be Adidas. I'd actually consider buying a United jersey again, if they work their magic.

NeVeR

NeVeR wrote: »

World Cup Sweeps Update

I think this is right .. but please correct it if it's wrong.

Most yellow cards in group stages €20 - Honduras -- LostBoy101
1st Red Card €20 - Uruguay -- Gadge
1st OG €20 - Croatia -- ninja900
1st Peno €20 - Brazil -- markc1184
Worst goal difference in group stages. €20 - Cameroon -- bennyl10

Guys can a few of you who participated in the sweep review this and let me know if it's correct.

Thanks.

Will I Amnt

Sky Sports News running with the Evra to Juventus offer on the yellow ticker now.

Fenix

I can understand the excitement of bring in new players, especially after the car crash of last season, however, I think it's equally as important to thin the squad of the deadwood, for a couple of reasons.

Lower the overall wages, prevent younger talent coming through not getting a chance to realise their potential.

If we're talking fringe players, we have;

Anderson
Faillaini
Valencia
Zaha
Hernandez
Wilson
Fletcher
Nani
Janujaz
Henriquez
Keane (both)
Varela
Lawrence
Pereira
Powell

Probably forgotten a few and I know I've mentioned a couple of the younger lads but some will turn 21 this year and really need to be kicking on.

I think we have a player who is potentially better than Di Maria in Januzaj for example, signing him could significantly stunt his chances of success at utd IMO.

I just feel that while it's always nice to be linked with world class attacking players like Sanchez, and Di Maria, in positions I think the club is already stacked, we should really be going for a world class CB (Hummels) and midfielder (Vidal), in the 2 positions of glaring weakness.

Summer business concluded with the signings of Shaw, Herrera, Hummels, and Vidal, with the addition of a world class Coach in LVG and a rejuvenated RVP would be absolutely fantastic business.

This post was probably typo-tactic as I'm on the phone :S

Rayne Wooney

If it came down to Vidal or Di Maria it has to be Vidal, unless we want to partner Ander with Carrick/Fellaini

Both would be out of this world, two world class players in positions we need. We still would need a CB though

Mikeyt086

MagicIRL wrote: »

.CO.UK?

YOU'VE CHANGED MIKEY, YOU'VE CHANGED.

I'm on both, just need to get some visibility on the UK site.

Spazdarn

Fenix wrote: »

I can understand the excitement of bring in new players, especially after the car crash of last season, however, I think it's equally as important to thin the squad of the deadwood, for a couple of reasons.

Lower the overall wages, prevent younger talent coming through not getting a chance to realise their potential.

If we're talking fringe players, we have;

Anderson
Faillaini
Valencia
Zaha
Hernandez
Wilson
Fletcher
Nani
Janujaz
Henriquez
Keane (both)
Varela
Lawrence
Pereira
Powell

Probably forgotten a few and I know I've mentioned a couple of the younger lads but some will turn 21 this year and really need to be kicking on.

I think we have a player who is potentially better than Di Maria in Januzaj for example, signing him could significantly stunt his chances of success at utd IMO.

I just feel that while it's always nice to be linked with world class attacking players like Sanchez, and Di Maria, in positions I think the club is already stacked, we should really be going for a world class CB (Hummels) and midfielder (Vidal), in the 2 positions of glaring weakness.

Summer business concluded with the signings of Shaw, Herrera, Hummels, and Vidal, with the addition of a world class Coach in LVG and a rejuvenated RVP would be absolutely fantastic business.

This post was probably typo-tactic as I'm on the phone :S

From that list I can see a good few going.

Anderson - Practically out the door just a matter of finding a buyer.
Fellaini - Future in doubt, apparently not rated by LVG, his best position filled by better players

Valencia - Signed a new contract, likely not going anywhere
Zaha - Probably getting culled.
Hernandez - Wants to leave for first team football
Wilson - Young and promising
Fletcher - Can't see him getting the boot, despite not being able to offer a season of uninterrupted football.
Nani - Future in doubt, forever linked with Juve
Janujaz - Staying and promising

The rest are all young so will likely be loaned out..

FutureGuy

ToiletFusion wrote: »

From that list I can see a good few going.

Anderson - Practically out the door just a matter of finding a buyer.
Fellaini - Future in doubt, apparently not rated by LVG, his best position filled by better players

Valencia - Signed a new contract, likely not going anywhere
Zaha - Probably getting culled.
Hernandez - Wants to leave for first team football
Wilson - Young and promising
Fletcher - Can't see him getting the boot, despite not being able to offer a season of uninterrupted football.
Nani - Future in doubt, forever linked with Juve
Janujaz - Staying and promising

The rest are all young so will likely be loaned out..

I do feel SAF was getting a bit sentamental as he went on...Van Gaal will clear alot of those players out once he assesses then and finds them not up to standard. My guy says it'll happen at Christmas.

MagicIRL

FutureGuy wrote: »

My guy says it'll happen at Christmas.

Don't turn into bangkok, don't turn ito bangkok...

Spazdarn

MagicIRL wrote: »

Don't turn into bangkok, don't turn ito bangkok...

Bangkok is his guy

Cantona's Collars

MUFC have a strong interest in Hummels, Di Maria and Vidal. M.Hummels is a prime target. (@AndyMitten) #MUFC

SWEEEEETTTT!!

Delboy5

Andy Mitten on his latest playup update says United are definitely talked to both Juve and Dortmund for Vidal and Hummels......

zerks beat me by a minute!!

Mitch Connor

Heres the playup update.

http://news.playup.com/articles/2820397-july-9-update

Hococop

Nuts102 wrote: »

I am not starting a big debate here but i think LVG might like a go at turning around Anderson's career. He had so much potential when younger and LVG maybe able to get him sort his lifestyle around. Personally i have giving him too many chances and he deserves to go but maybe LVG will try to get him to sort himself out.

What lvg will do with Anderson when he sees him

Backstreet Moyes

glued wrote: »

No he was in a midfield three with Ramires and Javi Garcia and they were fantastic together.

People called him a winger because he attacked so much but it's a lazy analysis of his play. For Madrid he often did actually play as a winger but even his best performances for Madrid have come as part of a midfield three.

Di Maria played as a winger for Benfica.

Hococop

I want to believe we will sign them but after last season I still worry, I know we got shaw and Herrera but i still worry

Fenix

If the interest in Di Maria is genuine, then it really has to mean Nani and Young are looking at the exit door.

Personally I'd prefer to go all out for Vidal and Hummels this summer, and then turn our attentions to Rues next summer, just in time for the all German Adidas kit reveal! Think he's a better player than Di Maria anyway!

Backstreet Moyes

Last night after Hummels went off it showed the difference he makes. I would love Vidal but i would probably take Hummels over anybody right now.

FutureGuy

MagicIRL wrote: »

Don't turn into bangkok, don't turn ito bangkok...

Haha. I just don't think LVG will sell anyone he hasn't been able to take a good look at. The US tour will give a decent indication of who's who but he'll cerrtainly give a few of those names a few months before making a decision.

Who's to say he can't work wonders on the likes of Ando or Cleverly. He's certainly the type of manager that likes to improve players.

tupac_healy

Fenix wrote: »

If the interest in Di Maria is genuine, then it really has to mean Nani and Young are looking at the exit door.

Personally I'd prefer to go all out for Vidal and Hummels this summer, and then turn our attentions to Rues next summer, just in time for the all German Adidas kit reveal! Think he's a better player than Di Maria anyway!

Is it next summer will be our (assumed) Addidas kit?

Personally overall I think they make better kits

Mitch Connor

tupac_healy wrote: »

Is it next summer will be our (assumed) Addidas kit?

Personally overall I think they make better kits

Yep, this is the last season with Nike.

Wonder if Beckham will be a part of any United/adidas reveal, I suspect he will be.

Fenix

tupac_healy wrote: »

Is it next summer will be our (assumed) Addidas kit?

Personally overall I think they make better kits

Yea this is Nikes final year and they are definitely not renewing the deal, so whoever it is, it won't be Nike from 2015-16 on.