Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

tupac_healy

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Prize money rises, television money rises - flipside is always going to be that player values and wages rises in tandem. Remember when people called the Zidane and Figo transfers outrageous money. Go back to the first 1m transfer and people said the same.

Yeah that's what I'm saying.. we need to adjust to the Times and not penny pinch

burrenguy

Has the talk of signing Carvalho died off completely then?

Iseedeadpixels

burrenguy wrote: »

Has the talk of signing Carvalho died off completely then?

Yup, he was a Moyes player so doubt LVG wants him.

Lord TSC

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Yup, he was a Moyes player so doubt LVG wants him.

Herrera was a "Moyes Player" too :pac:

bucketybuck

Lord TSC wrote: »

Herrera was a "Moyes Player" too :pac:

Or he would have been had Moyes not dithered.

Larry Wildman

Hopefully we haven't bitten off more than we can chew with this Herrera transaction. We don't want to cannibalise our transfer kitty. Hopefully Van Gaal and Woodward can get their teeth into that list of transfer targets once the World Cup is over. We need to pay prospective players better than in-dentured slaves. We need someone who's as hard as enamel for our midfield. The rumoured signings could be savage. I'll celebrate like an animal if they come to fruition. Hopefully the details of future deals will be fleshed out soon.

Kerrydude1981

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Hopefully we haven't bitten off more than we can chew with this Herrera transaction. We don't want to cannibalise our transfer kitty. Hopefully Van Gaal and Woodward can get their teeth into that list of transfer targets once the World Cup is over. We need to pay prospective players better than in-dentured slaves. We need someone who's as hard as enamel for our midfield. The rumoured signings could be savage. I'll celebrate like an animal if they come to fruition. Hopefully the details of future deals will be fleshed out soon.

The Moldy Gowl

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Hopefully we haven't bitten off more than we can chew with this Herrera transaction. We don't want to cannibalise our transfer kitty. Hopefully Van Gaal and Woodward can get their teeth into that list of transfer targets once the World Cup is over. We need to pay prospective players better than in-dentured slaves. We need someone who's as hard as enamel for our midfield. The rumoured signings could be savage. I'll celebrate like an animal if they come to fruition. Hopefully the details of future deals will be fleshed out soon.

I have been saving my first post in here for something special.



No, just no.

Zico

If there's any bad or embarrassing news relating to the club now is the time to release it. Anything that happens in the next 48 hours will be buried under Suarez-gate III and no one will ever remember it.

Kerrydude1981

Kags starts,nice one.

Iseedeadpixels

Lord TSC wrote: »

Herrera was a "Moyes Player" too :pac:

True..... I fail at boardsing

Mantis Toboggan

Having watched the England game I really hope we don't pay 40 million for luke Shaw.

No left back is worth that.

Headshot

god I hate that money crap, its getting tiring at this stage

newballsplease

Buddy Holly wrote: »

Having watched the England game I really hope we don't pay 40 million for luke Shaw.

No left back is worth that.

Id rather Ashley Cole for free

DM_7

Headshot wrote: »

god I hate that money crap, its getting tiring at this stage

You don't think 40million is mental talk for a player that is 18 and a left back?

Even 30million seems crazy to me.

Headshot

DM-ICE wrote: »

You don't think 40million is mental talk for a player that is 18 and a left back?

Even 30million seems crazy to me.

Nope. Im certain he will be a WC left back and will have us cover for LB for years to come.

I would pay 40m even, just get it over and done with tbh.

DM_7

Headshot wrote: »

Nope. Im certain he will be a WC left back and will have us cover for LB for years to come.

I would pay 40m even, just get it over and done with tbh.

Fair Enough

I don't think its that important a position so that would be my disagreement but I won't argue, just curious at your thinking.

Headshot

DM-ICE wrote: »

Fair Enough

I don't think its that important a position so that would be my disagreement but I won't argue, just curious at your thinking.

I think these days its very important, infact the way the game is going, its one of the most important positions.

You see LVG Dutch team and the full backs and blazing forward all the time, Blink being the stand out performer.

I lost count how many times last season Jones at RB ****ed up the mojo of the team.

KH25

40million for Shaw would be madness. Better options available for less.

Headshot

KH25 wrote: »

40million for Shaw would be madness. Better options available for less.

Like who?

Name a player that is PL proven and has a better future than Shaw?

DM_7

Headshot wrote: »

I think these days its very important, infact the way the game is going, its one of the most important positions.

You see LVG Dutch team and the full backs and blazing forward all the time, Blink being the stand out performer.

I lost count how many times last season Jones at RB ****ed up the mojo of the team.

Oh I agree its important.

Buying a full back for the initial reported bid of 27 million wouldn't be a major issue for me if they were bit more established. Shaw is still so young, I would rather a player that was ready to go in an play all games from day one. I am not sure he fits that right now considering his age and experience.

alchemist33

Headshot wrote: »

Like who?

Name a player that is PL proven and has a better future than Shaw?

You can't see into the future. Phil Jones was supposedly a future England captain.

Headshot

alchemist33 wrote: »

You can't see into the future. Phil Jones was supposedly a future England captain.

Yes I can, I knew I would reply to this post

bucketybuck

Headshot wrote: »

Like who?

Name a player that is PL proven and has a better future than Shaw?

You could probably buy four talented young defenders for that amount of money.

Zico

Headshot wrote: »

Like who?

Name a player that is PL proven and has a better future than Shaw?

Jordi Alba

DM_7

Zico wrote: »

Jordi Alba

Who did he play for in the PL?

Zico

DM-ICE wrote: »

Who did he play for in the PL?

Barcelona and Valencia.

Primera Liga

Headshot

bucketybuck wrote: »

You could probably buy four talented young defenders for that amount of money.

But I would argue they wouldnt be near Shaw's lvl. Utd are buying a player that they dont need to replace for 10 plus years, its going to save money in the long run

Zico wrote: »

Jordi Alba

I must of missed him playing in the PL but jokes aside he would never everrrr leave Barca for utd.

DM_7

Zico wrote: »

Primera Liga

Well Played!

Vic Vinegar

Pretty impressive stats here from Herrera

DM_7

Out of interest is there a comparable transfer that anyone can think of (for Shaw), bearing in mind his age and lack of experience?

Rio was very expensive but had lots of experience in the EPL, Champions League, with England.

While Varane joined Real for only 10million euro (I know neither are full backs)

Rayne Wooney

Lucas Moura £44 million

DM_7

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Lucas Moura £44 million

I was thinking of defenders :pac:

Since you mention PSG, Marquinhos would fit the bill but I still think that was massive and unnecessary money.

RichFTW

DM-ICE wrote: »

Out of interest is there a comparable transfer that anyone can think of (for Shaw), bearing in mind his age and lack of experience?

Rio was very expensive but had lots of experience in the EPL, Champions League, with England.

While Varane joined Real for only 10million euro (I know neither are full backs)

Rooney?

Edit: See you said defenders now but he had little experience and cost a bit at the time.

Brenty

Marquinhos roma to psg €31 million

KH25

Headshot wrote: »

Like who?

Name a player that is PL proven and has a better future than Shaw?

Why need he be PL proven? We're looking for the club to sign players like Vidal. What PL experience has he got? So why must our LB have it? FWIW I would like to see us sign Shaw but 40million is ridiculous. Its literally just because of his nationality.

Brenty

Marquinhos roma to psg €31 million

Mikeyt086

I did a quick write up on Ander Herrera for Balls.ie/.co.uk here: http://balls.co.uk/ander-herrera-5-things-need-know-uniteds-new-signing/ for those who haven't seen any of him. It's only a quick piece but my thoughts on how and where he will play for us are in there.

Crimson King

KH25 wrote: »

Why need he be PL proven? We're looking for the club to sign players like Vidal. What PL experience has he got? So why must our LB have it? FWIW I would like to see us sign Shaw but 40million is ridiculous. Its literally just because of his nationality.

Don't see what the difference 5 or so million makes when you are investing in 10+ years cover in an important position. Just get the transfer done and concentrate on the others the team needs. Talk of money not being spent would irk me a lot more tbh

Lucas Hood

Southampton should give us a discount on Shaw considering we bought Buttner instead of them, had they bought him who knows how Shaw would have developed.

Crimson King

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

I did a quick write up on Ander Herrera for Balls.ie/.co.uk here: http://balls.co.uk/ander-herrera-5-things-need-know-uniteds-new-signing/ for those who haven't seen any of him. It's only a quick piece but my thoughts on how and where he will play for us are in there.

Nice piece Mikey. Hate to be THAT guy but the last sentence, career v carrer

Larry Wildman

Shaw's pass for Lallana was exquisite to be fair...although one swallow doesn't make a summer

Rayne Wooney

Full back positions are the easiest to fill on the pitch and spending £40 million on one is madness IMO and one who isn't even near world class at that

KH25

Crimson King wrote: »

Don't see what the difference 5 or so million makes when you are investing in 10+ years cover in an important position. Just get the transfer done and concentrate on the others the team needs. Talk of money not being spent would irk me a lot more tbh

Well its 10million, which is a fair chunk of change. I just think its money that should be better spent on midfield.

bucketybuck

Headshot wrote: »

But I would argue they wouldnt be near Shaw's lvl. Utd are buying a player that they dont need to replace for 10 plus years, its going to save money in the long run

I would be more than happy to buy Shaw and have him for ten years, but at some point you simply have to say that a transfer fee is not good value. Its not a computer game, overspending for certain players does have a tangible effect and I would prefer the club was run responsibly, within reason.

I wouldn't pay £100million for Gareth Bale, I wouldn't pay £35 million for Andy Carroll and £40 million is simply far too much money for Luke Shaw.

RasTa

You gotta be a certain type of special if you think it's worth spending £40m on a left back

The_Kew_Tour

we could get decent lb for 15 million

Will I Amnt

Rio cost 30m in 2002. Wonder what that would translate to in today's market?

The_Kew_Tour

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Rio cost 30m in 2002. Wonder what that would translate to in today's market?

english + united love for paying crazy cash for english = 130m est

Will I Amnt

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

english + united love for paying crazy cash for english = 130m est

It would easily be 50m and probably a good bit more. Looking back you would say it was money well spent but he was well established, Shaw isn't near that level yet. There is a big risk element involved even if he does look the real deal.