Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

beno619

TheDoc wrote: »

He was widely regarded as England's future CB and captain, having forged an impressive partnership for the u21 national side with Jones.

He was being gently broken into Fulhams first team, but I can assure you, as someone who actually has a fond interest in seeing UK pundits, journalists and oaches big up the next big thing to see them fall by the wayside, Smalling was being touted as a first choice CB for the next decade.

Now he's looking at questions of his inclusion in squads : /

Think your a little confused Jones was the one touted as the future England captain, Smalling very much came out of the blue and dropped out of the Fulham side after we agreed a deal for him.

Lucas Hood

Jones didn't get called up for the u21s till after Smalling signed for us. So there's no way they could have formed a good partnership before Smalling signed for us.

TheDoc

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Jones didn't get called up for the u21s till after Smalling signed for us. So there's no way they could have formed a good partnership before Smalling signed for us.

"I've played with Chris for three or four years in the England Under-21s and also at United, and we have a really good understanding," he told reporters.

I could be mixing up some of the underage levels, but it's definitely being flaunted about how the pair caused a stir in the underage setups as a future CB pairing for England

Your making no sense you said he was heralded as the best cb in England despite playing 13 games in two seasons at Fulham now he was being gently broke in. Which is it?

Why are you questioning me as if I made the claim? My point is discussing how typically English players get a hype train, with little to no evidence supporting it, and it falls way short of expectations.

I'd be very much in agreeance with you, in that there was very little to suggest Smalling could or would be a star English CB, whilst he was being gently integrated into the Fulham side.

He was very much receiving gentle exposure at Fulham being brought in gradually, as he was had just come up from practically nowhere.

He was frequently being touted as one of England's best young CB's whilst at Fulham, and expectations where he would be one of two CB's for a decade.

I'm not saying ths is my view, it's not. I'm just telling you what was said about these young players, the expectations. I know me, and you, might not see it. It's a mostly English thing, I'm sure few Irish people would buy into it.

I'm just trying to point out how there is a certain amount of hype that builds for every young English player, that in more cases then not, fizzles out into nothing more then being a "decent" footballer.

By the way, this is what planted the seed in my head for the points I raised throughout the day, it's so blatantly obvious, but just simply get's overlooked. Rarely to never does an English player reach the potential outlined for them, compared to other "big" footballing nations.

http://www.football365.com/john-nicholson/9360693/Kids-May-Never-Be-More-Than-Alright...

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Official: Zenit have signed Benfica and Argentina defender Ezequiel Garay for €6(!) million.

And we were going to pay over £20 million for him:eek::eek:

TheDoc

zerks wrote: »

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And we were going to pay over £20 million for him:eek::eek:

Atleast we don't have to deal with the lazy linking to us anymore

Giggsy11

zerks wrote: »

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And we were going to pay over £20 million for him:eek::eek:

Ridiculous, we were linked with same player for 20 Million but he is sold for 6 Million Euro which is around 4.8 Million pounds.

Maximus Alexander

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Ridiculous, we were linked with same player for 20 Million but he is sold for 6 Million Euro which is around 4.8 Million pounds.

Perfect example of why you shouldn't believe the majority of the the transfer rubbish that circulates.

Giggsy11

zerks wrote: »

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And we were going to pay over £20 million for him:eek::eek:

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Perfect example of why you shouldn't believe the majority of the the transfer rubbish that circulates.

Actually that's not true.

Jan Hagen ‏@PortuBall 2m

Sorry, guys. Not my intention to trick you. I blame this on Benfica's statement. €15m is Garay's fee. Not €6m.

Jan Hagen ‏@PortuBall 6m

€6m is of course Benfica's cut of Garay's transfer. They only own 40% of his rights. Real Madrid own 50%. Third-party 10%. €15m in total.

But I agree with you though about not believing transfer rumors. No one had a clue about Herrera.

Spazdarn

Still we should have been putting our hat in for him, even if we paid a Utd tax...

Maximus Alexander

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Actually that's not true.

But I agree with you though about not believing transfer rumors. No one had a clue about Herrera.

Just backs up my point though really. If we'd believed he had gone for €6m we'd look like a pair of assholes right now.

Giggsy11

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Just backs up my point though really. If we'd believed he had gone for €6m we'd look like a pair of assholes right now.

Yeah but no one reported 6 Million fee. The one who did it clarified it as 6 Million is what Benfica got. Just a small confusion.

Yeah re rumors, some people react to every single news no matter who and which paper reports it.

Crimson King

Considering how under the radar the Herrera business was, would anyone be surprised if Kroos was signed once the WC is over?

adox

Crimson King wrote: »

Considering how under the radar the Herrera business was, would anyone be surprised if Kroos was signed once the WC is over?

I`d be astonished.

Crimson King

adox wrote: »

I`d be astonished.

Yeah maybe you are right. Thinking about it a tackling midfielder is more likely.

john moloney

We're getting herrera who looks like a good box to box midfielder which is what we need!

Backstreet Moyes

Hopefully Carvalho and De Jong can be signed would be happy with that.

Spazdarn

Nuts102 wrote: »

Hopefully Carvalho and De Jong can be signed would be happy with that.

Yeah they're both attainable and would definitely add to the first team.

SeanJ09

Surprised not to see Alexis Sanchez linked with United, given our lack of quality options on the flanks.

Neeson

No way sure isn't DeJong too hard and just not good enough. You missed the memo.

Spazdarn

SeanJ09 wrote: »

Surprised not to see Alexis Sanchez linked with United, given our lack of quality options on the flanks.

Think he's got better options available to him...

SeanJ09

Neeson wrote: »

No way sure isn't DeJong too hard and just not good enough. You missed the memo.

Disagree, exactly what we need in the middle of the park. He is also a better footballer than people give him credit for.

Backstreet Moyes

Neeson wrote: »

No way sure isn't DeJong too hard and just not good enough. You missed the memo.

Not a patch on Cattermole alright.

Backstreet Moyes

SeanJ09 wrote: »

Surprised not to see Alexis Sanchez linked with United, given our lack of quality options on the flanks.

Would love him you could probably pick up Depay and Sanchez for what people are willing to pay on Shaw madness i tells ya.

Neeson

Nuts102 wrote: »

Not a patch on Cattermole alright.

Certainly a higher profile bit of solidity.

thelad95

Any pics of Herrera in Carrington?

TheTownie

thelad95 wrote: »

Any pics of Herrera in Carrington?

You wouldn't have to ask the question if there was.

Iseedeadpixels

TheTownie wrote: »

You wouldn't have to ask the question if there was.

Couldnt just have said no? :pac:

TheTownie

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Couldnt just have said no? :pac:

That would go against the spirit of the internet.

Maximus Alexander

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Couldnt just have said no? :pac:

TheTownie wrote: »

That would go against the spirit of the internet.

Have to admit, has got you there.

Iseedeadpixels

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Have to admit, has got you there.

Always thought the spirit of the internet was easy porn access.

brinty

Crimson King wrote: »

Considering how under the radar the Herrera business was, would anyone be surprised if Kroos was signed once the WC is over?

highly highly unlikely to happen...
but who knows what LVG, the iron tulip, the csar of alkmaar, golden balls might have done whilst in brazil

he might've signed half the dutch team for us

imagine they win the world cup and all reveal united jersies and squad numbers at the end of the match...LVG with a big smug s***eating grin on his face going...

Your move engineer and special one....

Vic Vinegar

Evra up against Valencia later, should be a good game!

Lord TSC

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Evra up against Valencia later, should be a good game!

A defender who can't defend verses a winger who can't beat a defender. Jaysus, which level of uselessness will override the other? :pac:

Vic Vinegar

Lord TSC wrote: »

A defender who can't defend verses a winger who can't beat a defender. Jaysus, which level of uselessness will override the other? :pac:

Exactly! chaos will reign.... maybe.

Iseedeadpixels

Maybe one of them will have a good game........

hurlingman97

Valencia will be passing it to the fullback anyway.

ShooterSF

Ah the famous easily movable object versus the extremely stoppable force

Kylo Ren

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Evra up against Valencia later, should be a good game!

What happens when a stoppable force meets a movable object?

Edit: I should read more of the thread. Derp.

shrewdness

Evra's not playing.

Mars Bar

Koke has signed a new contract at Atletico Madrid so that's him out of the equation

tinofapples

Any development on left back transfers today ? Has Buttner officially completed his move away ?

UnitedIrishman

tinofapples wrote: »

Any development on left back transfers today ? Has Buttner officially completed his move away ?

Buttner went yesterday AFAIK. Was pictured in Moscow gear today.

alchemist33

And any news on Herrera today?

secman

Nuts102 wrote: »

Your making no sense you said he was heralded as the best cb in England despite playing 13 games in two seasons at Fulham now he was being gently broke in. Which is it?

Now your talking about him being hyped up to be the next big thing which is a totally different thing. Every young player that looks good is the next superstar and how many succeed to that potential very very few.

Fulham had only recently signed Smalling from a non league side when united bought him. Very few people had even heard of him. But have to agree that he needs to kick on this season, him and Jones. Really think players like them will prosper under LVG.

Mitch Connor

When smalling had a little run at cb beside vidic a few seasons back he looked absolutely superb. Looked like him and vidic were becoming the first choice pairing. Then vidic got injured.

Reckon smalling has the most potential of our cbs.

ShooterSF

I think Evans has shown more out of the 3 when he was given a run.

newballsplease

Herrera expected to be announced tomorrow.

kryogen

Mitch Connor wrote: »

When smalling had a little run at cb beside vidic a few seasons back he looked absolutely superb. Looked like him and vidic were becoming the first choice pairing. Then vidic got injured.

Reckon smalling has the most potential of our cbs.

This +1000

Degag

Think Evans has shown the most promise myself. Playing Smalling and Jones at RB has held them back a lot imo. They will never be proper right backs. Unless Varela is ready, I think signing a RB is very important this summer also.

The_Kew_Tour

Mitch Connor wrote: »

When smalling had a little run at cb beside vidic a few seasons back he looked absolutely superb. Looked like him and vidic were becoming the first choice pairing. Then vidic got injured.

Reckon smalling has the most potential of our cbs.

Agree totally Mitch.

he is awful FB but then again you put Rio or Vidic there and im sure they have been the same.

Smalling is a CB and a very good one with potential to be excellent.