Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

fatherted1969

Brilliant news if Shaw is confirmed, just a question though for anyone that has seen a lot of him. When Spurs bought Bale i remember him starting out at full back, can anyone see anything in Shaw that suggests he may move out into a wing position in midfield.

Great credit due to Moyes on these deals as i'm convinced the bulk of them were in place in his tenure. Exciting times

EuropeanSon

Billy86 wrote: »

Are you arguing that your £20+m keeper was a bargain? Because he wasn't. He was a good signing, and an excellent player, but if you think that's what a bargain is you have no understanding of money.

thelad95

merlinsmerryman

One of my most unproductive days ever in work. Sitting here in full view of everyone following this joy filled thread all day :D My F5 key is starting to wear out.

TheTownie

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Craig Norwood ‏@CraigNorwood 1m
Luke Shaw admits he wanted the deal to be sorted before the World Cup, but more than happy to be a Manchester United player now.

Lord TSC

Cannot wait for the preseason tour now...

Mars Bar

These feelings I have...I don't understand them!

Montroseee

Is Shaw the most expensive left back ever now? Pretty sure Real paid less for Coentrao

Mars Bar

Lord TSC wrote: »

Cannot wait for the preseason tour now...

Really hope i can make the galaxy game now!

Mars Bar

So we've signed paddy Jackson and Ryan gosling look a likes

irishfeen

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Are you arguing that your £20+m keeper was a bargain? Because he wasn't. He was a good signing, and an excellent player, but if you think that's what a bargain is you have no understanding of money.

DeGea was an absolute bargain in a world where David Luiz is worth 50million - he will be between those posts for years to come and he just keeps getting better and better... Also he's our main man for signing Spanish players

EuropeanSon

Adamocovic wrote: »

Valid opinion and no one will know until his career is over whether or not the move works but my opinion is i'd rather spend 30 million on a left back with huge potential and under 20 than buy a short term fix of a 27-28 year old left back at 15-20 million .

You're overestimating the cost of a good left back there by a large margin.

£15-20m would probably get you a guaranteed top class left back.

The_Kew_Tour

A ****ing great day!!!!!!

Wait till number 3 is announced now baby!!!!

Adamocovic

Whether or not it is a good deal is all based on opinions. Personally considering before Southampton were asking Chelsea and Man United for 40-45 million I think it was a decent deal.

27 million (optional 3 depending on success) for a 4 year contract with the option of another year seems like good business. He has been one of the standout left backs of the last year and at a young age has huge potential.

Yes it's risky basing off potential but if you didn't take these risks you wouldn't have many standout players. Hopefully he goes on to have a great career with United and show the deal was good.

irishfeen

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

A ****ing great day!!!!!!

Wait till number 3 is announced now baby!!!!

C'mon Kew who will it be?

EuropeanSon

irishfeen wrote: »

DeGea was an absolute bargain - he will be between those posts for years to come and he just keeps getting better and better... Also he's our man man for signing Spanish players

Again, you don't seem to understand the English word "bargain". It doesn't mean "excellent footballer". De Gea is the second, but not the first.

Kylo Ren

Billy86

fatherted1969 wrote: »

Brilliant news if Shaw is confirmed, just a question though for anyone that has seen a lot of him. When Spurs bought Bale i remember him starting out at full back, can anyone see anything in Shaw that suggests he may move out into a wing position in midfield.

Great credit due to Moyes on these deals as i'm convinced the bulk of them were in place in his tenure. Exciting times

Why do people keep making this assumption? Am I missing something on this? Moyes was so dead set on Leighton Baines and nothing but Leighton Baines that when given the option of Coentrao or nothing (when Everton said they would not sell him, or set €50mn as the price or something to that effect)...he basically chose nothing, blindly chasing Baines to the death while Madrid were trying to throw Coentrao at us. And Baines wasn't/isn't even a top tier FB.

A lot of talk is that he was the guy who pulled the plug on Herrera last season, too.

I just don't see why a good few people are assuming this?

The_Kew_Tour

irishfeen wrote: »

C'mon Kew who will it be?

dont care..

it will be good though.

Ed is the man, the legend, the king.

bangkok

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Jones---Hummels----Evans

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Rafael

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Shaw

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Pogba

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Herrera

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RVP

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Rooney

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drooooooooooooooollllllllllllll

Pighead

Team shaping up nicely for next season. This was always gonna be a big spending summer and it's nice to see a couple of signings confirmed. Another midfielder is a must you would think. Maybe one midfielder and one central defender incoming to take the spending over the €100m mark.

Adamocovic

EuropeanSon wrote: »

You're overestimating the cost of a good left back there by a large margin.

£15-20m would probably get you a guaranteed top class left back.

I wouldn't be too sure these days, we've seen in the last while prices rising a lot. Considering some defenders have gone for a lot more, Luiz and Silva 40-50 million for example.

Also remember Man City bought Lescott for 28 million back in 2009, Coentrao and Pepe went for the 30-35 million mark too and don't forget Alves was 35-40 million too.

And we bought Ferdinand for similar money of near 30 million and at the time people questioned that.

irishfeen

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

dont care..

it will be good though.

Ed is the man, the legend, the king.

Haha some of yous doubted ED ... even in my hardest Moyes supporting times I always knew he would come good

yermandan

GIF - CENTRAL.

They have made my day, particularly the Brad Pitt one

glued

Another central midfielder, a centre half and a winger are surely still to come.

ElChe32

To Ed!

Billy86

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Are you arguing that your £20+m keeper was a bargain? Because he wasn't. He was a good signing, and an excellent player, but if you think that's what a bargain is you have no understanding of money.

He absolutely was, set us up to have one of the best keepers in the world for the next 15 plus years. If you track average fees, 30mn today translates to about 10mn in 2002, just after Juve spent €51mn(!) on Buffon. You will not find a Juve fan in the world who is unhappy with the value for money they got in that transfer. That is way, way, way more than we paid for DDG in relative terms.

If you buy a 27 year old fullback for 15mn today, you need to replace him in five years. With the ever inflating prices, a top end FB at that stage will likely cost over 20mn, and again in five more years for closer to 25-30mn. The total cost there comes to 60mn+ to cover you for the same 15 years Shaw will if he is as good as we think he is (and likewise you are taking a risk of all three of those guys) And that is why we pay our scouts top dollar, and put faith in them accordingly.

Long term, high end stability is almost impossible to put a price on in the modern game. If you think 50mn for 15 years of top, top end play at LB & GK is not good value then you really have a poor understanding of the market.

adox

Lord TSC wrote: »

Cannot wait for the preseason tour now...

You got signed as well?:eek:

Lucas Hood

newballsplease

glued wrote: »

Another central midfielder, a centre half and a winger are surely still to come.

A center half tes, but i wouldnt be so sure that we'l sign a winger.

Zico

irishfeen wrote: »

Haha some of yous doubted ED ... even in my hardest Moyes supporting times I always knew he would come good

You think it was an achievement buying a player for his buyout clause fee and paying £30m for an 18 year old?

He's a year late on what he's delivered so far in my opinion so I'll need to see a lot more before I join in the back slapping.

Maximus Alexander

I keep feeling like I've clicked in to the wrong thread. Signings, optimism, excitement, GIFs? What is this?

MagicIRL

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I keep feeling like I've clicked in to the wrong thread. Signings, optimism, excitement, GIFs? What is this?

IT'S THE MANCHESTER UNITER SUPER HAPPY FUN TIMES THREAD 2014/15 :):cool:

user2011

The bridge everyone else is taking to the title next season..


















In no way do I think we can win the league.

Yeah Shaw signed sealed delivered.

EuropeanSon

Adamocovic wrote: »

I wouldn't be too sure these days, we've seen in the last while prices rising a lot. Considering some defenders have gone for a lot more, Luiz and Silva 40-50 million for example.

Also remember Man City bought Lescott for 28 million back in 2009, Coentrao and Pepe went for the 30-35 million mark too and don't forget Alves was 35-40 million too.

And we bought Ferdinand for similar money of near 30 million and at the time people questioned that.

I think you're mixing your Euros and pounds up there a fair bit.

Alves was €32.5 million, Pepe €30 million, Coentrao €30 million, Lescott £22 million, all according to Wikipedia.

All were a good bit less risky than Shaw as signings, too. And Lescott was bought in the "pay whatever they ask" phase at the Etihad.

Thiago Silva was one of the best defenders in the world and cost €42 million according to Wikipedia, which is about £34 million. And he was bought in PSGs period of crazy spending. I've no idea what they were doing with the Luiz deal.

I'm not saying Shaw won't work out, by the way. I expect he'll be a very good player for you. I'm just pointing out that by any measure you could concieve it was an extraordinarily expensive buy, and almost unarguably overpriced.

I'm going to drop this now before it goes in circles, as I've really spelled out what I mean quite clearly and can't really add much more.

Billy86

EuropeanSon wrote: »

You're overestimating the cost of a good left back there by a large margin.

£15-20m would probably get you a guaranteed top class left back.

Coentrao, approx 30mn
Sergio Ramos approx 27mn
Dani Alves approx 30mn
Glen bloody Johnson 17.5mn sterling

Kylo Ren

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I keep feeling like I've clicked in to the wrong thread. Signings, optimism, excitement, GIFs? What is this?

"No, you aresh in the rishe plache. Thish ish the Manchestersh United Superthreadsh on Boardsh.ie. Welcomesh."

Lucas Hood

This was at Psv pre season training today .

Rubber_Soul

Delighted with both signings so far even if they are both somewhat gambles. Hopefully a top class cb to follow soon. I'd be surprised if we see any more cm signings now though, I'd say we'll make the rumoured move for Strootman in January instead.

eagle eye

I hope the Ander Herrera talk is just rumour. I'll be gutted if he leaves Bilbao, especially as he will get Champion's league football if he stays.

thelad95

eagle eye wrote: »

I hope the Ander Herrera talk is just rumour. I'll be gutted if he leaves Bilbao, especially as he will get Champion's league football if he stays.

You might wanna sit down......

Lucas Hood

eagle eye wrote: »

I hope the Ander Herrera talk is just rumour. I'll be gutted if he leaves Bilbao, especially as he will get Champion's league football if he stays.

He's already signed for us.

NTMK

eagle eye wrote: »

I hope the Ander Herrera talk is just rumour. I'll be gutted if he leaves Bilbao, especially as he will get Champion's league football if he stays.

eh who wants to tell him?

Maximus Alexander

eagle eye wrote: »

I hope the Ander Herrera talk is just rumour. I'll be gutted if he leaves Bilbao, especially as he will get Champion's league football if he stays.

glued

eagle eye wrote: »

I hope the Ander Herrera talk is just rumour. I'll be gutted if he leaves Bilbao, especially as he will get Champion's league football if he stays.

Kylo Ren

eagle eye wrote: »

I hope the Ander Herrera talk is just rumour. I'll be gutted if he leaves Bilbao, especially as he will get Champion's league football if he stays.

Oh, God. I knew we'd have to have this talk one day. Listen champ, when a player and a club fall in love...

EuropeanSon

Billy86 wrote: »

He absolutely was, set us up to have one of the best keepers in the world for the next 15 plus years. If you track average fees, 30mn today translates to about 10mn in 2002, just after Juve spent €51mn(!) on Buffon. You will not find a Juve fan in the world who is unhappy with the value for money they got in that transfer. That is way, way, way more than we paid for DDG in relative terms.

If you buy a 27 year old fullback for 15mn today, you need to replace him in five years. With the ever inflating prices, a top end FB at that stage will likely cost over 20mn, and again in five more years for closer to 25-30mn. The total cost there comes to 60mn+ to cover you for the same 15 years Shaw will if he is as good as we think he is (and likewise you are taking a risk of all three of those guys) And that is why we pay our scouts top dollar, and put faith in them accordingly.

Long term, high end stability is almost impossible to put a price on in the modern game. If you think 50mn for 15 years of top, top end play at LB & GK is not good value then you really have a poor understanding of the market.

You clearly have no understanding of the time value of money. €1 now is not equivalent to €1 in 5 years time. Better to think of it as 1% of your income now being interchangeable with 1% of your income in 5 years time, in a very inflationary world like professional football (though obviously that simplifies it to much too).

The rest of your points I've already addressed, really, so this will be my (for real this time ) last post on this topic.

advertsfox

Herrerashaw!

user2011

Sarcasm*... No?

jonnyfingers

SAF said "There's no value in the market".

Ed be like.....