Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

keane2097

De Gea is great and has huge potential to improve but Neuer is a monster already, shocked at the lack of love he seems to have in the UK and Ireland.

keane2097

Technophobe wrote: »

Would we want him tho...
Presume Verratti too much like what we have?

Khedira is another one, how could you not want him? He's brilliant.

DM_7

Technophobe wrote: »

Would we want him tho...
Presume Verratti too much like what we have?

I would take him any day especially to replace Carrick but for the money maybe going for Carvalho would make more sense so we could make full use of Carrick next season and have van Gaal work with him. Khedira would be a really good signing in his own right.

Not sure PSG would want to sell Verratti.

I think the way players like Khedira will become available or how players like Pjanic or Strrotman end up at Roma shows that midfield can be improved without great difficulty so lets have faith in van Gaal. Herrera is a great start.

glued

Neuer had good distribution but he lacks the concentration to be a really top keeper. Seems to make silly mistakes a lot.

EuropeanSon

glued wrote: »

Neuer had good distribution but he lacks the concentration to be a really top keeper. Seems to make silly mistakes a lot.

Ah now. If Neuer isn't yet a "really top keeper", who the hell is?

Giggsy11

keane2097 wrote: »

De Gea is great and has huge potential to improve but Neuer is a monster already, shocked at the lack of love he seems to have in the UK and Ireland.

Not sure about that, almost every English journalist rates him as the best GK in the world.

Adamocovic

glued wrote: »

Neuer had good distribution but he lacks the concentration to be a really top keeper. Seems to make silly mistakes a lot.

I think he's one of the top keepers already. You don't see him make too many mistakes, I'd argue his concentration is one of the best for keepers, always off his line very quick and gets to the ball. Sometimes it may look a bit nerve racking but to be fair he always looks calm and in control for the most part. Just different opinions on him though.

keane2097

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Not sure about that, almost every English journalist rates him as the best GK in the world.

Maybe it's just here so, was trying to give irish people credit for not being the only christys

mrkiscool2

Have to agree that Neuer is an immense keeper. However, De Gea is probably the best young keeper in the world and has 5 years to catch up where Neuer is now. De Gea has markedly improve in every field in the last few years as well as being probably the best shot stopper in the world. Neuer has something that De Gea doesn't have yet- presence in the goal and over the defence and an ability to read the field with near 100% accuracy.

Adamocovic

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Have to agree that Neuer is an immense keeper. However, De Gea is probably the best young keeper in the world and has 5 years to catch up where Neuer is now. De Gea has markedly improve in every field in the last few years as well as being probably the best shot stopper in the world. Neuer has something that De Gea doesn't have yet- presence in the goal and over the defence and an ability to read the field with near 100% accuracy.

Very true, I think the main difference between De Gea and Neuer is confidence. Neuer seems to be one of the most relaxed and confident goalkeepers in the world.

De Gea has been making terrific improvements and is an outstanding keeper, a few more season and taking over from Casillas at Spain, and I can see his confidence going sky high.

glued

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Ah now. If Neuer isn't yet a "really top keeper", who the hell is?

Not sure really. I liked Neuer at Schalke where he was as solid as a rock. I don't think he's still at that level.

I suppose he is one of the top keepers though.

Technophobe

DM-ICE wrote: »

I would take him any day especially to replace Carrick but for the money maybe going for Carvalho would make more sense so we could make full use of Carrick next season and have van Gaal work with him. Khedira would be a really good signing in his own right.

Not sure PSG would want to sell Verratti.

I think the way players like Khedira will become available or how players like Pjanic or Strrotman end up at Roma shows that midfield can be improved without great difficulty so lets have faith in van Gaal. Herrera is a great start.

Fair points..
Possibility that if PSG get Yaya, they may sell.. Given that they respect the Financial Fair Play rules so much

mcratsix

Am I the only one that doesn't rate Khedira at all? I'd take Strootman, Vidal, Carvalho, verrati or even de Jong over Khedira

Mikeyt086

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

While it's always tempting to sink your teeth into a juicy topic, I just wouldn't be bother with that threadabout 75% of threads in the soccer forum. Because any participation there is bound to come back and bite you. I'd prefer to be a lone Wolf and stay clear, rather than end up in the doghouse.

Fixed that for you.

Fuhrer

mcratsix wrote: »

Am I the only one that doesn't rate Khedira at all? I'd take Strootman, Vidal, Carvalho, verrati or even de Jong over Khedira

Saying hes not as good as those players isnt exactly saying hes ****

GSPfan

Fuhrer wrote: »

Saying hes not as good as those players isnt exactly saying hes ****

Which he didn't.

Donnielighto

redbaron_99 wrote: »

For what?

replied to chucky who took a swipe at utd, both got reds.

kryo actually had the next post too where he made a comment about threads getting derailed. wouldnt normally be a red but there was a mod warning 1 or 2 pages back i think. chucky got what he wanted, infer from that what you will, but at least he picked up a red too.

Pro. F

DM-ICE wrote: »

Sorry to be a bollocks but you surprise me here, you have very high standards for a midfield player, specifically touch but for a striker it sounds like good enough is sufficient. Hernandez is miles behind van Persie so should that not mean Robin is the one that we would want United to have/play and as he is better Chica really isn't good enough at all?

Nah, you're not being a bollocks. It's true, I think the requirements for first touch are more demanding for a CM than a CF. It comes from the fact that, imo, the part of the CM's job that requires touch and control is more important and more difficult than for a CF.

CFs do need to control the ball, but a lot of that can be done by knocking it into the right spaces, either for a shot, a risky first time pass or a race with the a defender. Those spaces don't exist in the middle of the park. CFs also have to hold the ball up, but in that job backwards passes are not a problem. There's also much less trouble caused when CFs give the ball away than when CMs do it, so that relative lack of control can be tolerated if they're good at other things.

I agree that RVP is a much better striker than Hernandez all things considered anyway. However, I think Chico did enough to earn the starting spot in his first season at the club, we should have made better use of him after that imo. I do think he's good enough to be a starter for a top club.

Donnielighto

Pro. F wrote: »

Nah, you're not being a bollocks. It's true, I think the requirements for first touch are more demanding for a CM than a CF. It comes from the fact that, imo, the part of the CM's job that requires touch and control is more important and more difficult than for a CF.

CFs do need to control the ball, but a lot of that can be done by knocking it into the right spaces, either for a shot, a risky first time pass or a race with the a defender. Those spaces don't exist in the middle of the park. CFs also have to hold the ball up, but in that job backwards passes are not a problem. There's also much less trouble caused when CFs give the ball away than when CMs do it, so that relative lack of control can be tolerated if they're good at other things.

I agree that RVP is a much better striker than Hernandez all things considered anyway. However, I think Chico did enough to earn the starting spot in his first season at the club, we should have made better use of him after that imo. I do think he's good enough to be a starter for a top club.

As a lone frontman? I think he does best with players close to him or else seriously annoying wingers, lads who'll get ball, clean or dirty into the box.

Pro. F

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Which is still more then what you provided.

True. But I haven't put forward any theory about there being a difference between how often those two strikers score when they're having off days.

The few games you've mentioned when RVP scored, while he was having a quiet game, aren't anything like convincing evidence. You could just as easily point to as many games, or more, when RVP was having an off day and didn't score.

OdgeXD

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Have to agree that Neuer is an immense keeper. However, De Gea is probably the best young keeper in the world and has 5 years to catch up where Neuer is now. De Gea has markedly improve in every field in the last few years as well as being probably the best shot stopper in the world. Neuer has something that De Gea doesn't have yet- presence in the goal and over the defence and an ability to read the field with near 100% accuracy.

Honestly I think you're overrating De Gea a bit, sure he's a great young goalkeeper but he's not really near the level of Courtois. Calling him the best shot stopper in the world is a bit premature too, give him a few years.

Donnielighto

OdgeXD wrote: »

Honestly I think you're overrating De Gea a bit, sure he's a great young goalkeeper but he's not really near the level of Courtois. Calling him the best shot stopper in the world is a bit premature too, give him a few years.

courtois is good, but he's not carling

Pro. F

Donnielighto wrote: »

As a lone frontman? I think he does best with players close to him or else seriously annoying wingers, lads who'll get ball, clean or dirty into the box.

Rooney and Hernandez was a really good partnership. Seemed to work well for both of them.

Rubber_Soul

Better look at the new home kit via reddit

GSPfan

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Better look at the new home kit via reddit

Honestly think thats the laziest looking design i've ever seen. That logo is awful too.

J. Marston

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Better look at the new home kit via reddit

I like it. Simple design and the gold logo is much smaller than I first thought it was going to be.

The button collar looks a bit out of place but it's a nice jersey. Almost tempted to get it, would be my first United shirt in years.

GSPfan

Just seen a similar picture in the new kit thread and the button is red not black so which one is a fake? Still the same general design though. Still crap.

Mikeyt086

Has nobody mentioned that the above jersey is just Man City's jersey from last year in red with a ****ing crap collar added to it? Very lazy from Nike.

DARK-KNIGHT

photos too big... making me not want jersey

jambofc

Manchester United: Louis van Gaal gives USA tour assurance

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28089772

Zico

I don't socialise much in this country anymore, it's too bloody expensive, but do people still wear soccer jerseys socially?

Would you see people wearing a shirt down the pub even if the team weren't playing that day?

RobertKK

Dwight Yorke believes United will sign 7 more players. Yes, you read that correctly.

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Zico wrote: »

I don't socialise much in this country anymore, it's too bloody expensive, but do people still wear soccer jerseys socially?

Would you see people wearing a shirt down the pub even if the team weren't playing that day?

Yes. And why not?

MagicIRL

RobertKK wrote: »

Dwight Yorke believes United will sign 7 more players. Yes, you read that correctly.

Did he happen to say who those sevena re or did he just pluck a number out fo thin air to sound cool?

de Vrij (CB), Shaw (LB), Herrera (CM), Vidal (CM), Depay (Wing) , Sanchez (Wing), Hummels (CB) (Strootman (CM) in January)?

Edit:

RE: New United jersey, I think it'll look very well on the team, I don't think the photo's do it any justice. It's not great, but it's not nearly as bad as people are making out imo.

FutureGuy

zorro2566 wrote: »

Had a nightmare that I had travelled back in time to exactly one year ago today!

It's like it never happened.

Will always have good time for Moyes, and there is not doubting he tried his best, but alas it was not meant to be.

One of the best things about Moyes' time at the club (apart from laying alot of groundwork for some of the transfers we have seen) is that Van Gall is not the man that has to follow SAF.

Will I Amnt

Zico wrote: »

I don't socialise much in this country anymore, it's too bloody expensive, but do people still wear soccer jerseys socially?

Would you see people wearing a shirt down the pub even if the team weren't playing that day?

Not to the pub but I wear football shirts all the time when around the house or out and about, although never United, they're always manky.
I've got a Parma top with me today to change into when I finish up in work, Porto yesterday and Lille the day before that. I don't know why some people get worked up about others wearing football shirts, they're comfortable and there's plenty of nice looking shirts out there.

FutureGuy

MagicIRL wrote: »

Did he happen to say who those sevena re or did he just pluck a number out fo thin air to sound cool?

de Vrij (CB), Shaw (LB), Herrera (CM), Vidal (CM), Depay (Wing) , Sanchez (Wing), Hummels (CB) (Strootman (CM) in January)?

Edit:

RE: New United jersey, I think it'll look very well on the team, I don't think the photo's do it any justice. It's not great, but it's not nearly as bad as people are making out imo.

For thr first time in ages, my official United shirt rater (Mrs. FutureGuy) has actually liked the new kit!

Maximus Alexander

GSPfan wrote: »

Honestly think thats the laziest looking design i've ever seen. That logo is awful too.

It looks like someone just bought a cheap t-shirt and ironed on some logos. Poor effort.

Giggsy11

I haven't checked last few pages and I'm not even sure if I remember it correctly..

Happy Moyes day.. IIRC this day last year he took charge of ManUtd officially.

keane2097

FutureGuy wrote: »

For thr first time in ages, my official United shirt rater (Mrs. FutureGuy) has actually liked the new kit!

I think it looks nice as well.

Mitch Connor

I don't mind the new jersey, better than the gingham crap, but it is so blandly inoffensive. Meh.

Lazy design like that is why I hope we change kit supplier on the new deal. At least Addidas or Puma or whomever might put a bit more effort in to it.

Very surprised the new deal hasn't been dnoe yet. remember reading a while back that due to the length of time the design process takes and getting enough kits made for sale, the deal needed to be done before the end of the season gone.

NTMK

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I don't mind the new jersey, better than the gingham crap, but it is so blandly inoffensive. Meh.

Lazy design like that is why I hope we change kit supplier on the new deal. At least Addidas or Puma or whomever might put a bit more effort in to it.

Very surprised the new deal hasn't been dnoe yet. remember reading a while back that due to the length of time the design process takes and getting enough kits made for sale, the deal needed to be done before the end of the season gone.

sample kits would have been designed for the bidding process so id imagine they'll use one of them and production doesnt usually occur until febuary before release

Adamcp898

The new shirt is fairly rank, the button kind of makes it look like a toddler's pyjamas.

Fingers crossed Adidas bid more than Nike are prepared to match for the next deal.

Al Capwned

That pic of the new home kit above.
Hard to tell from it, but the material looks very like that of the one from a couple years back with the black chevron on the front.
I like that one, still have it, and it's very comfortable to wear.

Have to agree though that Nike are pants generally.

RasTa

I spotted someone wearing that jersey yesterday, didn't look too bad. Logo is smaller then the pics. However I don't care how the jersey looks tbh

beakerjoe

RasTa wrote: »

I spotted someone wearing that jersey yesterday, didn't look too bad. Logo is smaller then the pics. However I don't care how the jersey looks tbh

I seen someone wearing a jersey a few years ago, it was about 4 weeks before the shirt was due to be released. I remember thinking, lucky so n so having the shirt early.....

Then when the jersey was released it looked nothing like what the lad had. Stinger!

Id wait til I see the shirt on an official website first.

TheDoc

Yeah the new shirt looks pretty meh to be honest.

Still end up getting no doubt...

markcahill1985

Reports in Spain that Madrid want to sign james Rodriguez as long as they can sell Di Maria, would absolutely love Di Maria or Sanchez at Utd, surely if one or both are available then LVG would be all over it, the types of players that can make a real difference when going for the league (plus Young would surely be shown the door ;-)

Crimson King

FutureGuy wrote: »

One of the best things about Moyes' time at the club........is that Van Gall is not the man that has to follow SAF.

The conspiracy theorist in me actually called this within the first week of last season starting. Only about 2 or 3 top managers would have had the ego to take on that challenge and Moyes looked like a deer caught in headlights from day one. Much much easier following in his footsteps than the very best that ever was.

RobertKK

MagicIRL wrote: »

Did he happen to say who those sevena re or did he just pluck a number out fo thin air to sound cool?

de Vrij (CB), Shaw (LB), Herrera (CM), Vidal (CM), Depay (Wing) , Sanchez (Wing), Hummels (CB) (Strootman (CM) in January)?

Edit:

RE: New United jersey, I think it'll look very well on the team, I don't think the photo's do it any justice. It's not great, but it's not nearly as bad as people are making out imo.

It is in the Express. The quote from Yorke: "They are probably looking to bring in another seven players into the squad, so with Van Gaal on international duty, his team are doing extremely well.