Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

The_Kew_Tour

brinty wrote: »

Hows it going Uwe....
or is it Rosler

beakerjoe wrote: »

Was that Rosler who scored it?

actually maybe your right Rosler getting the winner, its actually Paul Walsh.

*just realised he played for Liverpool too.

oh dear..

I have made better choices in my life I admit:p

Gary Walsh was not option as no Gary was a Saint back then(i think you had pick saints name)

Hangballlouie

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

he has not got a patch on cantona

In a footballing sense?

brinty

Oh Kew, that disappoints me...
You could've siad it was after the Guv'nor himself...Ince
We'd never have known!!!

MagicIRL

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

actually maybe your right Rosler getting the winner, its actually Paul Walsh.

*just realised he played for Liverpool too.

oh dear..

I have made better choices in my life I admit:p

Gary Walsh was not option as no Gary was a Saint back then(i think you had pick saints name)

beakerjoe

brinty wrote: »

Oh Kew, that disappoints me...
You could've siad it was after the Guv'nor himself...Ince
We'd never have known!!!

Even Pogba, a former pool and City player.... tut tut.

Andrei was my other option.... then Ryan... you get the picture

bucketybuck

I can think of one very important distinction between the Cantona and Suarez situations.

Why did Alex Ferguson stand by Eric Cantona when many people felt that he had gone too far and should be let go? It wasn't just because he was an important player, but also because Eric Cantona had a deep and abiding love for Manchester United, he was on record many times stating how much the club meant to him and he bought into the United culture completely. Don't forget, this is the guy who retired early rather than move abroad and rekindle his desire for football elsewhere, he didn't want to play for anybody but United.

Alex Ferguson clearly saw that if he stood by Cantona there was a high likelihood that Cantona would learn his lessons, that he would make the effort to stay out of trouble and repay the faith shown. And he was right.

Liverpool are now in a similar situation with Suarez, he has been banned again and what are they going to do with him? But does anybody think Suarez has the same love and loyalty to Liverpool that Cantona had to United? No chance.

The_Kew_Tour

brinty wrote: »

Oh Kew, that disappoints me...
You could've siad it was after the Guv'nor himself...Ince
We'd never have known!!!

ya. i was only 10-11 in my defense:pac:

The_Kew_Tour

sorry i let you all down:pac::pac:

martinr5232

beakerjoe wrote: »

On the topic of Cantona, did anyone else take Eric or any other United players name as their Confirmation name??....no...just me??! Grand ......

God I used to love him

I called my young lad Eric :-)

The_Kew_Tour

bucketybuck wrote: »

I can think of one very important distinction between the Cantona and Suarez situations.

Why did Alex Ferguson stand by Eric Cantona when many people felt that he had gone too far and should be let go? It wasn't just because he was an important player, but also because Eric Cantona had a deep and abiding love for Manchester United, he was on record many times stating how much the club meant to him and he bought into the United culture completely. Don't forget, this is the guy who retired early rather than move abroad and rekindle his desire for football elsewhere, he didn't want to play for anybody but United.

Alex Ferguson clearly saw that if he stood by Cantona there was a high likelihood that Cantona would learn his lessons, that he would make the effort to stay out of trouble and repay the faith shown. And he was right.

Liverpool are now in a similar situation with Suarez, he has been banned again and what are they going to do with him? But does anybody think Suarez has the same love and loyalty to Liverpool that Cantona had to United? No chance.

+1

and anybody who says different was either not old enough to remember, or just want to twist it.

never once back in 1995 did I fear Cantona would leave.

even Ronaldo was open enough to admit it that he wanted to play for Madrid.

it annoyed some United fans and others again tried twist that story, but I actually gained more respect for Ronaldo then when he admitted it.

at least he was honest enough to say he wanted out.

beakerjoe

martinr5232 wrote: »

I called my young lad Eric :-)

A Pool lad I know named his kid Fernando.... 6 months later he went to Chelsea.


Fail

martinr5232

beakerjoe wrote: »

A Pool lad I know named his kid Fernando.... 6 months later he went to Chelsea.


Fail

I know one who called his young lad Owen Michael we all know how that one worked out :-D

DM_7

Saw Hummels linked with United on the basis United were ready to make an offer:

Of £20million

Jaysus if the papers are making stuff up you would think a realistic bid price would be mentioned.

How I miss the days (of last week) when signings were being made and the need to link players didn't exist

Mitch Connor

beakerjoe wrote: »

On the topic of Cantona, did anyone else take Eric or any other United players name as their Confirmation name??....no...just me??! Grand ......

God I used to love him

I took Eric as my confirmation too, same reason. CANTONA.

beakerjoe

DM-ICE wrote: »

Saw Hummels linked with United on the basis United were ready to make an offer:

Of £20million

Jaysus if the papers are making stuff up you would think a realistic bid price would be mentioned.

How I miss the days (of last week) when signings were being made and the need to link players didn't exist

Could be good ol Ed low balling them.

TheDoc

I took the names of my Grandfathers , Kevin-James,

I'm such a ****ing square.

beakerjoe

TheDoc wrote: »

I took the names of my Grandfathers , Kevin-James,

I'm such a ****ing square.

Looks like a they must of been the Kings of Queens

Rubber_Soul

beakerjoe wrote: »

Could be good ol Ed low balling them.

Looking at our signings, Ed doesn't really do low-balling.

paulbok

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

sorry i let you all down:pac::pac:

Barcelona sporting director Andoni Zubizarreta believes Luis Suarez The_Kew_Tour has shown humility by apologising for his confirmation name.

"Suarez The_Kew_Tour has shown he is humble enough to admit an error, which is very important," Zubizarreta told reporters.
"He has been humble enough to apologise to those he has affected, because it happened in the middle of a festival of football Church. In this case it's the best thing a person can do."

Owryan

martinr5232 wrote: »

I called my young lad Eric :-)

I ve one named cody , as in Brian Cody (her choice) and one named Alex after the man himself (but she claims otherwise).

TheDoc

Owryan wrote: »

I ve one named cody , as in Brian Cody (her choice) and one named Alex after the man himself (but she claims otherwise).

I've a newborn on the way in the next few weeks. And have to say if I was naming the child after someone, I'd go a little higher in the echelons than footballers.




However Tiberius has been unreservedly crossed of the list.

MagicIRL

TheDoc wrote: »

I've a newborn on the way in the next few weeks. And have to say if I was naming the child after someone, I'd go a little higher in the echelons than footballers.

There can be only one name for this baby.


Zlatan.

Vertigo100

TheDoc wrote: »

I've a newborn on the way in the next few weeks. And have to say if I was naming the child after someone, I'd go a little higher in the echelons than footballers.




However Tiberius has been unreservedly crossed of the list.

I'm in the same boat and my missus just won't warm to xavier for some reason

Leroy42

^^^bet she would if she met him:P

Mitch Connor

Struggling to get my head aroudn this article...

Louis van Gaal plans to employ 3-4-3 system at Manchester United that has worked so well for Holland at the World Cup

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2677465/Louis-van-Gaals-tactical-revolution-transform-Manchester-United.html#ixzz36JkXMjQU

Firstly, they have been playing 532, no 343... but whatever...

Taking the 343 pemise (with wingbacks it would be more so 523), I don't get the player plans according to the article.

---

Rooney----RVP

---

Mata

---

Herrera--XXXXX
---Shaw

---

Rafael

---

Evans-Vermalen(?)-Jones

---

De Gea

Only way I could see it actually working out - and no way would i call it a 343!

Right off the bat, we'd need more centre backs. The rumoured move for cuadrado would make sense based on the whoscored stuff I saw, has seemed to play that right wingback role a bit.

May as well sell Nani and Young - no sure where you'd fit Januzaj.

Meh, Neil Ashton, don't know how reliable he is. Looks like a kite flier.

MagicIRL

Two words: Daily Mail.

TheDoc

Neil Ashton bungs out some serious muck in fairness.

He's been called up a few times by managers and players in press conferences, or elsewhere, over silly articles he wrote that were pure garbage in terms of tactics or formations, or what the plans were.

He's the dude AVB had beef with last year, over what I forget, but again might have been tactical discussion related, or something.

He's a decent host for Sunday Supplement but his actual journalistic work leaves a lot to be desired. He's probably a great read for the casual fan.

Donnielighto

F all point putting a formation to lvg. The players seem to have roles rather than positions.

Blatter

TheDoc wrote: »

Neil Ashton bungs out some serious muck in fairness.

He's been called up a few times by managers and players in press conferences, or elsewhere, over silly articles he wrote that were pure garbage in terms of tactics or formations, or what the plans were.

He's the dude AVB had beef with last year, over what I forget, but again might have been tactical discussion related, or something.

He's a decent host for Sunday Supplement but his actual journalistic work leaves a lot to be desired. He's probably a great read for the casual fan.

Ashton has good contacts within the game, he's often the first journo to get certain factual info. Although the info is almost exclusively Chelsea and England stuff from what I've seen. He was the one who broke the David Luiz to PSG transfer among others.

His opinion pieces are terrible though, he's a fairly poor judge on the game itself. He's very like John Cross, another one with good contacts within the Arsenal camp but has a poor understanding of the game itself.

Rayne Wooney

Never been a big fan of the 3 CBs and especially not if two of the three were Jones and Vermaelen

Corvo

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Struggling to get my head aroudn this article...

Louis van Gaal plans to employ 3-4-3 system at Manchester United that has worked so well for Holland at the World Cup

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2677465/Louis-van-Gaals-tactical-revolution-transform-Manchester-United.html#ixzz36JkXMjQU

Firstly, they have been playing 532, no 343... but whatever...

Taking the 343 pemise (with wingbacks it would be more so 523), I don't get the player plans according to the article.

---

Rooney----RVP

---

Mata

---

Herrera--XXXXX
---Shaw

---

Rafael

---

Evans-Vermalen(?)-Jones

---

De Gea

Only way I could see it actually working out - and no way would i call it a 343!

Right off the bat, we'd need more centre backs. The rumoured move for cuadrado would make sense based on the whoscored stuff I saw, has seemed to play that right wingback role a bit.

May as well sell Nani and Young - no sure where you'd fit Januzaj.

Meh, Neil Ashton, don't know how reliable he is. Looks like a kite flier.

I would dread to see that system employed in the Premier League and think it would have to be a very carefull balanced side before it would actually work. Would prefer LVG to know the side better before he goes down that route.

Think he will likely play 4-5-1 with the wingers pushing up to form a three upon attack and one of the middle men also pushing up during an attacking phase as a number 10.

TheDoc

I'm sure we all remember how it went when we experimented 3 at the back when Quiroz convinced Fergie to give it lash, disaster.

Zico

Whenever I think of 3 CBs in the Premiership I think of Newcastle and Liverpool in the mid '90s.

Peacock -Albert -Howey

Wright/Ruddock - Scales - Babb

Comedy gold.:)

LVG is never going to make that mistake, not with Smalling -Jones -Evans.

bangkok

Liverpool played 3 at the back a lot this year with 2 wing backs, gerrard being the deep lying midfielder that basically played as a centre half, worked well for them..until may that is

TheDoc

Also I think LVG has been using the new system this World Cup to help the less then stamina friendly legs of Sneijder and RVP. Their team doesn't have blistering pace outside of Robben, so I think it makes sense in that climate to operate a more narrow formation that can nip the ball back and then launch a stinging counter attack. It's been really effective for Holland thus far.

But I don't think you would bust that out week in week out in the premier league. I'd say if the WC was on in a European climate, we'd see the more coveted LVG 4-3-3, I get the feeling what he's using is what he's tailored specifically for that climate and tournament ( which is really impressive btw)

Blatter

Juventus are a team that have used the 3-5-2 to very good effect over the last few years.

Irishcrx

beakerjoe wrote: »

Could be good ol Ed low balling them.

20 million for Hummels you say?

Liam O

Blatter wrote: »

Juventus are a team that have used the 3-5-2 to very good effect over the last few years.

Not so much in Europe but that obviously won't have an effect on United this season.

Son Of A Vidic

bucketybuck wrote: »

I can think of one very important distinction between the Cantona and Suarez situations.

Why did Alex Ferguson stand by Eric Cantona when many people felt that he had gone too far and should be let go? It wasn't just because he was an important player, but also because Eric Cantona had a deep and abiding love for Manchester United, he was on record many times stating how much the club meant to him and he bought into the United culture completely. Don't forget, this is the guy who retired early rather than move abroad and rekindle his desire for football elsewhere, he didn't want to play for anybody but United.

Alex Ferguson clearly saw that if he stood by Cantona there was a high likelihood that Cantona would learn his lessons, that he would make the effort to stay out of trouble and repay the faith shown. And he was right.

Liverpool are now in a similar situation with Suarez, he has been banned again and what are they going to do with him? But does anybody think Suarez has the same love and loyalty to Liverpool that Cantona had to United? No chance.

Spazdarn

Insulting bid for Hummels.

MagicIRL

What bid?

Spazdarn

Well apparent bid...

Kinda hoping Netherlands get dumped out so LVG can go and clear out the dross.

MagicIRL

At least gimme a link or something here, c'mon!

Hank Scorpio

Been messing around with formations but could something like this work? Arrow for Valencia should be straight, just a mistake

Spazdarn

MagicIRL wrote: »

At least gimme a link or something here, c'mon!

Tabloid stuff, wouldn't take any notice of it. Along the lines of United table 20million take it or leave it bid for Hummels

ShaneU

I like how valencia is running to the bench in that formation.

Hank Scorpio

ShaneU wrote: »

I like how valencia is running to the bench in that formation.

hahaha! :pac:

Got a good laugh out of that

Spazdarn

ShaneU wrote: »

I like how valencia is running to the bench in that formation.

Before cutting onto his trusty left foot

martinr5232

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Tabloid stuff, wouldn't take any notice of it. Along the lines of United table 20million take it or leave it bid for Hummels

How is it insulting if its only "tabloid stuff"??

Spazdarn

If there was truth in it.