ESP v NED 20.00 hrs BBC1/RTE2

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CountyHurler wrote: »

Ronnie looks a bit stern or angry tonight..

He regrets spending all that money on his wig, with Liam and Richie being bravely bald alongside him.

Nuri Sahin

Blind was outstanding.

Turtwig

Thing is if the game went 2 0 before half time this would be very different. Energetic playing won the day.

Spain looked shattered. Chile could very well do them.

Fescue

JRant wrote: »

Biscuits was truely awful, along with Iker and Ramos.

Wonderful display by the Dutch. Completely bypassed the Spainish midfield and got at a very mediocre backline.

Great game of football really.

It was a strange game really. I thought the Dutch weren't even in the game until they scored. Once they did, they were rampant. Not sure they are as good as they looked tonight though.

I actually fancied Spain for this tournament. Don't now why really. Not sure they can recover from this.

Son Of A Vidic

Flicked over to the RTE panel, ah God bless them, the result must be killing them. Lets look for every excuse under the sun and not state the obvious - Spain were outplayed and outclassed tonight.

Francie Barrett

Turtwig wrote: »

Spain looked shattered. Chile could very well do them.

Good point in fairness. You have to remember a lot of these lads were contesting a CL final just a few weeks ago.

dolliemix

fact from fifa website: The last time Spain conceded at least 5 goals was in 1963 when they were defeated in Madrid 6-2 by Scotland.

Absolute shocker tonight but really enjoyed the dutch goals

theoneeyedman

Big mistake taking off Alonso and bringing on Torres at 2-1 down....bad call

Just watched that Robben goal again. The man is nearly 30 and his speed and acceleration is still unbelievable.

Mickeroo

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Flicked over to the RTE panel, ah God bless them, the result must be killing them. Lets look for every excuse under the sun and not state the obvious - Spain were outplayed and outclassed tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ882QYzr-M

McGrath5

Where any Spanish fans singing the Fields of Athenry?

A Primal Nut

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Flicked over to the RTE panel, ah God bless them, the result must be killing them. Lets look for every excuse under the sun and not state the obvious - Spain were outplayed and outclassed tonight.

I thought they would be in their element. Don't they always go on about how bad Spain's defence is? Especially Ramos.

MagicIRL

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Just watched that Robben goal again. The man is nearly 30 and his speed and acceleration is still unbelievable.

He's a bollox, but what a player!

Lightbulb Sun

the_monkey wrote: »

Are the RTE lads in a studio in Brazil or back in Dublin ?

Donnybrook4Lyfe

Kerrigooney

I'm no fan of the Dutch,in fact I hate them but it's very satisfying seeing Spain get absolutely twatted.

MagicIRL

MagicIRL wrote: »

He's a bollox, but what a player!

I agree he pisses me off at times but you gotta give it to him what a player.

For a certain few who think Costa was trying to keep his balance :pac:

Andersonisgod

Before the final whistle sounds in Salvador, Del Bosque goes down the line and, to a man, thanks his players. A gentleman to the end. A style implemented by Luis Aragones following quarter final heartache against France in the quarter finals of the World Cup 2006, it's a style fraught with risk and danger, a style that can only be utilized with a certain kind of player. When it works, it is football at its purest form, the best kind of football. When it doesn't work, it will collapse, often with more spectacular results than other brands of football, by nature it is fraught with risk.

What does Del Bosque do now? Up until David Silva misses the chance to put Spain 2-0 ahead this was a football masterclass, an orchestra of flowing, one touch football. To say that Xavi, Iniesta, Silva ect. can't do it, the first half of that game suggests otherwise entirely. The problems arose after the Dutch equaliser. The pressing disappeared and the back four and goalkeeper became a bumbling shambles, Ramos and Pique, arguably Spain's two best players in Euro 2012, have never been worse than tonight. Casillas, far from having a calming effect on his team, seemed to put everyone, himself included, on edge.

What is in Del Bosque's favour is that he has the players to change. Whether he will change his entire shape in the middle of a tournament is another thing but the option for a double pivot, the option to bring in Koke, the option to bring in Martinez, these options are all available to the Spanish coach. It all may not be enough, so devastating is the goal difference following that game. The nature of the defeat, the lack of fight and hunger after going behind, the style, a style fraught with risk, these have all contributed to the heavy, and potentially decisive margin of the defeat.

Much like when the national team was defeated in 2006 by an aging French side and it became clear that something needed to happen, Luis Aragones emerged as an inspirational figure, Pep Guardiola emerged as an inspirational figure. For Barcelona, for Spain, for football in it's purest form, we can only hope that Luis Enrique emerges as such an inspirational figure.

Nuri Sahin

Jelle1880

The first half was a bit meh, but then...

Unbelievable performance by the Dutch, helped in party some horrible goalkeeping and defending in general but what an insane result.

Mars Bar

the_monkey wrote: »

Are the RTE lads in a studio in Brazil or back in Dublin ?

Dublin. Bill said the only major tournament he has ever been at was the Ryder Cup in the K Club!

Kenjataimu

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Before the final whistle sounds in Salvador, Del Bosque goes down the line and, to a man, thanks his players. A gentleman to the end. A style implemented by Luis Aragones following quarter final heartache against France in the quarter finals of the World Cup 2006, it's a style fraught with risk and danger, a style that can only be utilized with a certain kind of player. When it works, it is football at its purest form, the best kind of football. When it doesn't work, it will collapse, often with more spectacular results than other brands of football, by nature it is fraught with risk.

What does Del Bosque do now? Up until David Silva misses the chance to put Spain 2-0 ahead this was a football masterclass, an orchestra of flowing, one touch football. To say that Xavi, Iniesta, Silva ect. can't do it, the first half of that game suggests otherwise entirely. The problems arose after the Dutch equaliser. The pressing disappeared and the back four and goalkeeper became a bumbling shambles, Ramos and Pique, arguably Spain's two best players in Euro 2012, have never been worse than tonight. Casillas, far from having a calming effect on his team, seemed to put everyone, himself included, on edge.

What is in Del Bosque's favour is that he has the players to change. Whether he will change his entire shape in the middle of a tournament is another thing but the option for a double pivot, the option to bring in Koke, the option to bring in Martinez, these options are all available to the Spanish coach. It all may not be enough, so devastating is the goal difference following that game. The nature of the defeat, the lack of fight and hunger after going behind, the style, a style fraught with risk, these have all contributed to the heavy, and potentially decisive margin of the defeat.

Much like when the national team was defeated in 2006 by an aging French side and it became clear that something needed to happen, Luis Aragones emerged as an inspirational figure, Pep Guardiola emerged as an inspirational figure. For Barcelona, for Spain, for football in it's purest form, we can only hope that Luis Enrique emerges as such an inspirational figure.

Nib

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Before the final whistle sounds in Salvador, Del Bosque goes down the line and, to a man, thanks his players. A gentleman to the end. A style implemented by Luis Aragones following quarter final heartache against France in the quarter finals of the World Cup 2006, it's a style fraught with risk and danger, a style that can only be utilized with a certain kind of player. When it works, it is football at its purest form, the best kind of football. When it doesn't work, it will collapse, often with more spectacular results than other brands of football, by nature it is fraught with risk.

What does Del Bosque do now? Up until David Silva misses the chance to put Spain 2-0 ahead this was a football masterclass, an orchestra of flowing, one touch football. To say that Xavi, Iniesta, Silva ect. can't do it, the first half of that game suggests otherwise entirely. The problems arose after the Dutch equaliser. The pressing disappeared and the back four and goalkeeper became a bumbling shambles, Ramos and Pique, arguably Spain's two best players in Euro 2012, have never been worse than tonight. Casillas, far from having a calming effect on his team, seemed to put everyone, himself included, on edge.

What is in Del Bosque's favour is that he has the players to change. Whether he will change his entire shape in the middle of a tournament is another thing but the option for a double pivot, the option to bring in Koke, the option to bring in Martinez, these options are all available to the Spanish coach. It all may not be enough, so devastating is the goal difference following that game. The nature of the defeat, the lack of fight and hunger after going behind, the style, a style fraught with risk, these have all contributed to the heavy, and potentially decisive margin of the defeat.

Much like when the national team was defeated in 2006 by an aging French side and it became clear that something needed to happen, Luis Aragones emerged as an inspirational figure, Pep Guardiola emerged as an inspirational figure. For Barcelona, for Spain, for football in it's purest form, we can only hope that Luis Enrique emerges as such an inspirational figure.

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inforfun

With 6 (former) Feyenoord players in that Dutch team this was always going to happen

Fowler87

inforfun wrote: »

With 6 (former) Feyenoord players in that Dutch team this was always going to gappen

Well done Infor mighty win

delw

Well didn't see that score line coming :eek:

Turtyturd

Not quoting it might make it stop.

Angron

About sums up the second half for Spain.

Jelle1880

Cienciano

niallo27 wrote: »

But shouting for a team that has robben in it is hardly the answer.

Every team in the world has players that dive, spain have more than most.

Tigerandahalf

Be interesting to see what Del Bosque does in the next game?
Does he drop some of the players who brought so many titles to Spain?
Do they even have the players? Fabregas and Mata have been left go by clubs. Do Spain have anyone to play at centre half?
Xavi, Pique and Casillas were poor.

ThunbergsAreGo

No arsenal, man United etc to be the crisis club

Thank god we now have a crisis NATION

Liam O

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

Be interesting to see what Del Bosque does in the next game?
Does he drop some of the players who brought so many titles to Spain?
Do they even have the players? Fabregas and Mata have been left go by clubs. Do Spain have anyone to play at centre half?
Xavi, Pique and Casillas were poor.

I love this logic. Mata let go by Chelsea= worse player, Fabregas signed by Chelsea= worse player.

Tigerandahalf

Liam O wrote: »

I love this logic. Mata let go by Chelsea= worse player, Fabregas signed by Chelsea= worse player.

Well if they were top class those clubs would not be letting them go.

Take Your Pants Off

To be honest the midfield wasnt that bad.
It was all the striker costa and defence as well as gk.
Costa was playing very poor from the start, a whole different player that we see when he plays with athletico. He is usually more agressive and determimed.
Xavi Iniesta Silva and Bus were quite good in fairness they all had their share of tackles shots and chances.
But then again they were MUSCLED out so I think koke would be a good choice. Mata is not an option for me.
Maybe 2 strikers up instead of only 1 ?

eagle eye

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

Be interesting to see what Del Bosque does in the next game?
Does he drop some of the players who brought so many titles to Spain?
Do they even have the players? Fabregas and Mata have been left go by clubs. Do Spain have anyone to play at centre half?
Xavi, Pique and Casillas were poor.

They got a bad beating tonight but they lost their first game four years ago against the Swiss although they did dominate that game.

Players being let go by clubs means nothing, this is international football.

Del Bosque can change the who style and complexion of this team if he chooses. At GK he can bring in De Gea or Reina. At CB he can bring in Javi Martinez who for me is their best CB and Albiol had a great season too, at full back he can bring in Juanfran and switch Azpilicueta if he wishes.

In midfield he can go back to one defensive midfielder and leave either Busquests or Xabi Alonso in and then bring in Koke and Fabregas and get rid of one of Xavi, Silva and Iniesta if he pleases. He could also bring Javi Martinez in there in defensive midfield if he wanted to.

He still has Villa and Santi Cazorla is there too along with Mata and Torres.

Its a great panel and it will be interesting to see how they get on the next day.

I think the biggest problem for that team is older players tiring in the heat. They just fell apart in the last 20 minutes.

DARK-KNIGHT

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

Well if they were top class those clubs would not be letting them go.

if I knew how to put a facepalm gif in I would for this post

Tigerandahalf

eagle eye wrote: »

They got a bad beating tonight but they lost their first game four years ago against the Swiss although they did dominate that game.

Players being let go by clubs means nothing, this is international football.

Del Bosque can change the who style and complexion of this team if he chooses. At GK he can bring in De Gea or Reina. At CB he can bring in Javi Martinez who for me is their best CB and Albiol had a great season too, at full back he can bring in Juanfran and switch Azpilicueta if he wishes.

In midfield he can go back to one defensive midfielder and leave either Busquests or Xabi Alonso in and then bring in Koke and Fabregas and get rid of one of Xavi, Silva and Iniesta if he pleases. He could also bring Javi Martinez in there in defensive midfield if he wanted to.

He still has Villa and Santi Cazorla is there too along with Mata and Torres.

Its a great panel and it will be interesting to see how they get on the next day.

I think the biggest problem for that team is older players tiring in the heat. They just fell apart in the last 20 minutes.

A lot of the guys there don't play CH. Martinez wouldn't be quick. It is centre half that they are in real trouble. They also lack pace in the centre of midfield.
Do Atletico have centre halves in the Spanish squad?

Kenjataimu

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

if I knew how to put a facepalm gif in I would for this post

This will have to do

Tigerandahalf

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

Well if they were top class those clubs would not be letting them go.

eagle eye

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

A lot of the guys there don't play CH. Martinez wouldn't be quick. It is centre half that they are in real trouble. They also lack pace in the centre of midfield.
Do Atletico have centre halves in the Spanish squad?

Martinez is quick for a CB, he has played DM at a high level. He is world class in either position.

The don't need pace in the centre because they pass the ball so well. They have one of the best DMs in the world in Busquests. Alonso and Xavi didn't do well in the second half and thats age I think.

Hotblack Desiato

Antonio Banderas
King Juan Carlos
General Francisco Franco
Manuel from Barcelona
Julio Inglesias
Salvador Dali

YOUR BOYS TOOK A HELL OF A BEATING

Tigerandahalf

Busquets is very good in fairness. I had a look there at the Spanish squad and they really dont have much options at centre half. Chile with Sanchez will run at them.
I cant see Del Bosque making too many changes. Where he needs to change he doesnt have the players in those areas. Costa would probably benefit from more crosses coming in and Pedro would be an option. Would give them some pace too.

Richard Hillman

A great night for football

murpho999

Fair to say that tonight is the most shocking result since Cameroon beat Argentina in Italia '90?

MisterAnarchy

eagle eye wrote: »

They got a bad beating tonight but they lost their first game four years ago against the Swiss although they did dominate that game.

Players being let go by clubs means nothing, this is international football.

Del Bosque can change the who style and complexion of this team if he chooses. At GK he can bring in De Gea or Reina. At CB he can bring in Javi Martinez who for me is their best CB and Albiol had a great season too, at full back he can bring in Juanfran and switch Azpilicueta if he wishes.

In midfield he can go back to one defensive midfielder and leave either Busquests or Xabi Alonso in and then bring in Koke and Fabregas and get rid of one of Xavi, Silva and Iniesta if he pleases. He could also bring Javi Martinez in there in defensive midfield if he wanted to.

He still has Villa and Santi Cazorla is there too along with Mata and Torres.

Its a great panel and it will be interesting to see how they get on the next day.

I think the biggest problem for that team is older players tiring in the heat. They just fell apart in the last 20 minutes.

The time for change was after the Confederations Cup last season when the glaring flaws in the team were exposed.
Del Bosque continued to stubbornly saunter on .
I knew the writing was on the wall when a full strength Spanish side struggled against a bum second string Irish side last summer .

Xavi is a shadow of the player he was ,he has no pace anymore and plays too deep.
Busquets has come off a terrible season,he was a liability tonight and himself and Alonso dont work in the same team.
You either play Xavi or Aonso ,not both ,both are too slow and immobile to play together.

Pique has lost the plot since he hooked up with Shakira ,he was dreadful tonight ,himself and Ramos have no pace and were brutally exposed.
Alba at left back was anonymous too ,looked like a headless chicken and Azpilucueta wasnt much better ,Carvahal should have been in the squad and on the pitch.

I dont see Spain progressing now ,the core players in the team are exhausted ,they have had 1 summer off in 7 years and they look shattered .
They should have sent a second string to the Confederations Cup last summer and given the rest of the players a break they so badly needed.

bmcc10

murpho999 wrote: »

Fair to say that tonight is the most shocking result since Cameroon beat Argentina in Italia '90?

Yep Holland real minnows of world football like.

Turtyturd

murpho999 wrote: »

Fair to say that tonight is the most shocking result since Cameroon beat Argentina in Italia '90?

South Korea beating Italy?

Super-Rush

Turtyturd wrote: »

South Korea beating Italy?

Ireland beating Italy?

murpho999

bmcc10 wrote: »

Yep Holland real minnows of world football like.

Not the victory but the scoreline and manner of Spanish collapse is the big shock.

I'm not the only one who thinks so: Below is from the BBC

Netherlands produced one of the biggest shocks in World Cup history by coming from behind to annihilate reigning champions Spain in a stunned Arena Fonte Nova.

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