€258k salary for HSE manager in Limerick

pilate 1

ulinbac wrote: »

Thats all you took from the post? Wow!!

You didn't take into account hard work, sacrifice and long hours worked? This is how you meet people to network.

It's a pity really...

sorry had a look again and forgot sanctimonious drivel and bad grammer:p

ulinbac

pilate 1 wrote: »

sorry had a look again and forgot sanctimonious drivel and bad grammer:p

Grammar isn't always perfect but what is drivel?

Nobody gets to top on their own. Even Mark Zucherberg who owns facebook had to receice funding through going to events, dinners etc. That is also a form of networking.

How many people have been elected to govt. Because somebody threw them a vote as they new them or were mates with someone?

pilate 1

ulinbac wrote: »

Grammar isn't always perfect but what is drivel?

Nobody gets to top on their own. Even Mark Zucherberg who owns facebook had to receice funding through going to events, dinners etc. That is also a form of networking.

How many people have been elected to govt. Because somebody threw them a vote as they new them or were mates with someone?

the above is drivel, and has no relevance to anything, particularly the original post

Conar

pilate 1 wrote: »

the above is drivel, and has no relevance to anything, particularly the original post

To be fair to him or her they gave an opinion and you've been more interested in their grammar than the content of the post. Also you don't appear to believe in the use of capital letters which is strange for a grammar nazi.

I'd echo previous statements in that it seems overly common to obsess on higher salaries these days, but also on how high people's social welfare payments are.
So many socialists that think that everyone's salary should be capped at the level they have managed to reach.... Not saying that's what's being advocated here.

When public sector salaries are mentioned they include employer contributions etc. Never in my life in the private sector have I ever considered my companies pension contributions as part of my salary, nor health insurance payments or any other extras.

Pointless arguing about a figure with no real details of how it's broken down.

Lady Chatterton

No more references to spelling or grammar please.

Lady Chatterton

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

It is not clear to me if the €258K figure is what it is costing the HSE to fill the position or if that is the salary.

I am inclined to believe it is the total cost to the HSE and the persons salary is probably ~€100K less.

I am also not clear of what a "senior manager" position is in the overall hierarchy.

I think the HSE could learn a huge amount about running an efficient and effective service from The Clare Crusaders Clinic.

Clare Crusaders provide free speech therapy, occupational therapy, physiotherapy and play therapy to over 350 children with special needs in Clare.

The clinic is run on a budget of €250,000 and receives no state assistance. One major difference between the HSE run services and Clare Crusaders is the latter can operate without layers of unnecessary administration.

If I was advising the HSE, I'd be recommending that they headhunt Clare Crusaders' Manager.

Clareman

Very good point Mrs. D, Clare Crusaders are a great example of how things can be done right when the right people are involved.

If I was to be in charge of the HSE I would be getting managers from outside of medical fields involved, just because you are a good doctor doesn't make you a good administrator.

Lady Chatterton

Clareman wrote: »

If I was to be in charge of the HSE I would be getting managers from outside of medical fields involved, just because you are a good doctor doesn't make you a good administrator.

I completely agree with you.

There was great expectation when Dr. Rory O'Hanlon (FF) and Dr. James Reilly (FG) were made Health Ministers but they both performed/continue to perform very poorly. They're proof that being doctor and having an understanding of medical issues isn't enough on it's own.

I'm too young to remember Dr. Noel Browne but I recall I reading about him at school, there was a good man and decent Health Minister at a time when money was tight in the country. Every pregnant woman in this country has access to free maternity care due to his efforts.

periodictable

ulinbac wrote: »

Are you agreeing with that quote from Thatcher? I do!

Have you read the post? You seem to have tremendous difficulty understanding what I said, which was that the Thatcher quotation was my philosophy!!!
Do I agree? The answer is clear..but for some reason not to you.
Look before you leap.
And to recap, let me speak to you as I would to a 4 year old:
Why is someone paid €142k more than if the HSE directly employed him?

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periodictable wrote: »

Have you read the post? You seem to have tremendous difficulty understanding what I said, which was that the Thatcher quotation was my philosophy!!!
Do I agree? The answer is clear..but for some reason not to you.
Look before you leap.
And to recap, let me speak to you as I would to a 4 year old:
Why is someone paid €142k more than if the HSE directly employed him?

at last we are back to the original post and not drivel! can we start again folks pls? as one who has been banned for troling before(properly) can we stay on topic?

Johnboy1951

periodictable wrote: »

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Why is someone paid €142k more than if the HSE directly employed him?

Has that been established?

Has it been established that this is much more costly on the HSE than if they employed him directly?