Child Shot in Ballyfermot

corner of hells

DellyBelly wrote: »

Living in Dublin a few years now for a few years and every time there seems to be an incident in Dublin Ballyfermot is mentioned. Either the incident happened there or the people involved are from the area.

I went for a drive out there to see what it was really like 1 Sunday and I have to say it's really frightening place. I went to the Tesco there and the amount of people who looked they were zonked out on drugs was unreal. I wont be in a hurry back there.

Im sure there are decent people living there (poor them) but it looks like it is becoming a real no go area. What can be done? Zero tolerant policing or something similar?

You went there for a drive to see what's it really like ? And then you say poor them in reference to the people living there.
What piece of paradise are you from ? So I'll know to fcukin avoid it .
I've family and friends living there and from all over south inner city Dublin , Fatima Mansions , Bluebell , Drimnagh and to have to like of you driving around as a voyeur is sickening.

DellyBelly

I'm from outside of Dingle and live in Ranelagh now. I'm sorry if I offended you but coming from where I am I don't see this sort of things. Of course we might get the odd bit of trouble on a friday after the pub closes but nothing ever serious.

The one thing I couldn't get over is the amount of people wearing pajamas in the middle of the day in Ballyfemot. My opinion is if people in an area don't give a ****e how they look than the area is going to go down hill.

.jacksparrow.

What is the problem lads, based on this man's experiences, news reports, General word of mouth ballyer isn't the most glamorous place.That's just the way the world works...

Let's have some stories convince us otherwise!

mickydoomsux

I love how people who are from these ****ty areas will defend them to the last.

They won't improve if ye all just keep ignoring the problem and trying to convince everyone else that there's nothing wrong. It's not a personal flaw of yours that you came from a kip.

mickydoomsux

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I love how people who are from these ****ty areas will defend them to the last.

They won't improve if ye all just keep ignoring the problem and trying to convince everyone else that there's nothing wrong. It's not a personal flaw of yours that you came from a kip.

Completely agree. Some of those areas really are like ghettos.

darkdubh

As bad as Limerick is theres been a lot of success in putting away the worst of the criminals and reducing shootings etc in the last few years.I know Dublin is bigger so maybe it dosen't compare but its seems theres never been any letup in gang activity and they almost never convict any big players they just seem to carry on with impunity.

cloud493

Ballyfermot is hardly a war zone Its awful whats happened to this poor lad, but its not indicative of Dublin as a whole.

cloud493

cloud493 wrote: »

Ballyfermot is hardly a war zone Its awful whats happened to this poor lad, but its not indicative of Dublin as a whole.

In inner-city Dublin it really is.

mickydoomsux

cloud493 wrote: »

Ballyfermot is hardly a war zone Its awful whats happened to this poor lad, but its not indicative of Dublin as a whole.

"Ah shure, it's not as bad as some other places......"

.jacksparrow.

cloud493 wrote: »

Ballyfermot is hardly a war zone Its awful whats happened to this poor lad, but its not indicative of Dublin as a whole.

Well that makes it ok so, it ain't as bad as other places.

Continue as you are.

cloud493

At what point did I say 'its not as bad as other places'?
I said this is not indicative of Dublin as a whole.

SEPT 23 1989

Ballyer is a lot quieter now than it used to be,I know a lot of very successful business people who came from there,,like most working class areas 99% of the time you won't get any trouble unless you look for it

corner of hells

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In inner-city Dublin it really is.

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Well I'm going to say that I'm incredibly offended by that comment. The vast, vast majority of times i've been in Ballyfermot I've seen people going about their business in a normal manner. There's a sizable elderly population out there too, they're hardly shooting up on the streets!

I don't deny that there's a problem but I can assure you that there's only a small element (mostly in the western half) and they're not indicative of the area as a whole. I don't go around with a bulletproof vest, nor do I have to. I follow the same precautions that I would in any busy area, such as minding my own business and not putting any valuables on display.

corner of hells

cloud493 wrote: »

Ballyfermot is hardly a war zone Its awful whats happened to this poor lad, but its not indicative of Dublin as a whole.

Deleted User wrote: »

In inner-city Dublin it really is.

Like Mosul or cities in the Ukraine ?

Gummy Panda

mickydoomsux wrote: »

"Ah shure, it's not as bad as some other places......"

Do you live in Dublin or have lived in those areas?

Micky Dolenz

I've often stayed in bf when I have an early am flight. Had myself some good times, nearly missed a flight one morning after a decent session with some locals.

Overall my experience of the area has been positive. Pity a few drag it down.

Has there been any news on how the little fella is doing?

I havent heard much about him, since the initial shooting. Hope hes doing well.

DrumSteve

I have lived there my whole life and I hate to see people on here talk about about the place like they have a clue about the area when they clearly ****ing dont.

There is a lacking of policing in the area which is contributing to incidents such as this. You barely ever see garda around here. They need to increase their resources. Because of that most of the people doing this stuff couldnt care less about the garda.

But if you think the place is a warzone and it's 99% zombie junkies and single mothers who only ever wear pyjamas you're the one smoking crack.

jimeryan22

Ban the guns..!!! Oh, they are banned..... Society to blame, the break down is escalating world wide, and sick fcuks are on the rise...
Pray for the young lad..

Little CuChulainn

The thing about Ballyfermot is that it's pretty divided. A lot of it is pretty ok, a lot like most middle income areas, but Cherry Orchard is a different story, particularly in Croftwood. It has often become a warzone between Gardaí and scumbags. Halloween is when the worst happens. I'm not talking about young lads acting up. I'm talking about deliberate attempts to murder Gardaí. Ambushes, petrol bombs and rammings are very real threats to Gardaí there regularly.

CrazyRabbit

So, I found out who the intended target was. (Don't worry mods, I won't mention the name on boards).
What I can say is, it's a guy that I wouldn't feel any pity for if he was shot.
Unfortunately, he is the kind of guy to retaliate, so this isn't over yet.

The target wasn't at his own house...it was a relatives house, so I'm surprised that he was attacked there. Sounds like a spur of the moment attack rather than something planned.

CrazyRabbit

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

So, I found out who the intended target was. (Don't worry mods, I won't mention the name on boards).
What I can say is, it's a guy that I wouldn't feel any pity for if he was shot.
Unfortunately, he is the kind of guy to retaliate, so this isn't over yet.

The target wasn't at his own house...it was a relatives house, so I'm surprised that he was attacked there. Sounds like a spur of the moment attack rather than something planned.

Id say a lot of people in Ballyfermot know who this muppet is. Will be interesting to see how he is treated from here on in. He will always be know as ' yer man who shot a child'.

If he is shot dead in retaliation, will his friends be on facebook saying ' ah, he was one of the best' 'Sleep with the Angels' etc..

Amalgam

RTE News online are reporting the death of a six year old on their app.

Serious mess up if that's not the case.. the wording in the article seems to suggest a contradiction of the events reported in the article. Something isn's right.

See attached. Screenshot_2014-06-15-20-16.jpg

Shakespeare's Sister

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Ballyer is a lot quieter now than it used to be

Yeh it had a bit of a bad-ass rep 15-20 years ago, going by news stories... but there hasn't been much of that in a long time.

Little CuChulainn

Amalgam wrote: »

RTE News online are reporting the death of a six year old on their app.

Serious mess up if that's not the case.. the wording in the article seems to suggest a contradiction of the events reported in the article. Something isn's right.

See attached. Screenshot_2014-06-15-20-16.jpg

One of the papers was reporting he may not walk again so it's possible his condition deteriorated.

Little CuChulainn

Magaggie wrote: »

Yeh it had a bit of a bad-ass rep 15-20 years ago, going by news stories... but there hasn't been much of that in a long time.

It was only 3 years ago when a Garda was nearly killed at Halloween.

cloud493

On the main site as well

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0615/624047-ballyfermot-shooting/

Micky Dolenz

They may have adjusted it cos it states.

The 6-year-old boy remains in a stable condition in Our Lady's Children's Hospital in Crumlin.

I live in Croftwood Park, which are the houses just behind where the shooting occurred, and have lived there all my life. I have a PhD in astrophysics, currently lecture in UCD and, modesty aside, consider myself to be very successful.

While all of this true, I consider myself a black sheep of the area. Stolen cars racing down the street wake me every odd day and numerous times I have had to take a long walk home due to the buses refusing to go near my area due to some crime happening earlier in the day. All of my former schoolmates still live in the area and the only reason I feel I have survived so far is that I was lucky enough to make a bunch of friends in Dun Laoighre when I was young.

Let's just say I'm glad to be finally leaving the town in a few months!

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I live in Croftwood Park, which are the houses just behind where the shooting occurred, and have lived there all my life. I have a PhD in astrophysics, currently lecture in UCD and, modesty aside, consider myself to be very successful.

While all of this true, I consider myself a black sheep of the area. Stolen cars racing down the street wake me every odd day and numerous times I have had to take a long walk home due to the buses refusing to go near my area due to some crime happening earlier in the day. All of my former schoolmates still live in the area and the only reason I feel I have survived so far is that I was lucky enough to make a bunch of friends in Dun Laoighre when I was young.

Let's just say I'm glad to be finally leaving the town in a few months!

Hmm, I always lived further east, around Ballyfermot Road/Kylemore Road and had hardly any trouble. Seems to be mostly the Cherry Orchard and Gallanstown areas that bring the whole place down.

Hootanany

Deleted User wrote: »

I live in Croftwood Park, which are the houses just behind where the shooting occurred, and have lived there all my life. I have a PhD in astrophysics, currently lecture in UCD and, modesty aside, consider myself to be very successful.

While all of this true, I consider myself a black sheep of the area. Stolen cars racing down the street wake me every odd day and numerous times I have had to take a long walk home due to the buses refusing to go near my area due to some crime happening earlier in the day. All of my former schoolmates still live in the area and the only reason I feel I have survived so far is that I was lucky enough to make a bunch of friends in Dun Laoighre when I was young.

Let's just say I'm glad to be finally leaving the town in a few months!

Cool story bro

mickydoomsux

Hootanany wrote: »

Cool story bro

"The utter ****hole i live in is grand. Nothing to see here folks!"

cloud493

mickydoomsux wrote: »

"The utter ****hole i live in is grand. Nothing to see here folks!"

Don't actually think he said that

Shakespeare's Sister

God, it's not that long or hard to read. He clearly said where he grew up is pretty rough and he'll be glad to get out of there.

Magaggie

Magaggie wrote: »

God, it's not that long or hard to read. He clearly said where he grew up is pretty rough and he'll be glad to get out of there.

Yep this is what I was trying to imply, sorry if I didn't make it clear as I wrote it while walking!

Shakespeare's Sister

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep this is what I was trying to imply, sorry if I didn't make it clear as I wrote it while walking!

Very clear. Some folks probably didn't read it properly though.

Sunnyisland

Investigating officers yesterday arrested a relative of the boy, a man in his 30s, in the Ballyfermot area. He was taken to Ballyfermot garda station.

It is believed that the intended target of the shooting was a relative of Sean's. A row had broken out between two brothers and a relative, who ran towards a house. As he was trying to escape, the gunman opened fire, missing the intended target and instead hitting Sean in the neck.http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/pressure-mounts-over-gun-crime-after-boy-6-shot-30356765.html




From what I here the shooting arose out of a dispute between the family over an alledgedly house breaking incident.

rubberdiddies

20 year minimum sentence for this.
I dot care what the bleeding hearts brigade think of that. If an example is to be set then this is the perfect opportunity to set it.

Of course we know that there's a strong chance of just 100 hours community service being given instead due to the unfortunate background of the person responsible, coupled with their 79 previous convictions which of course all contributed to the hard life they have had and so they deserve a second (or 80th) chance.

Yes I know I'm rambling but I'm so mad

VinLieger

rubberdiddies wrote: »

20 year minimum sentence for this.
I dot care what the bleeding hearts brigade think of that. If an example is to be set then this is the perfect opportunity to set it.

Of course we know that there's a strong chance of just 100 hours community service being given instead due to the unfortunate background of the person responsible, coupled with their 79 previous convictions which of course all contributed to the hard life they have had and so they deserve a second (or 80th) chance.

Yes I know I'm rambling but I'm so mad

Heres what several interviews over the next few days will sound like

"ahh shewure hes a lurvely fella, didnt mean no harm by shooding dat chiuld, hes had a very hard life what with all the other misunderstandins, sewure where were dat childs parents? He shoulda been in skewel......"

"emm it was at 10 at night...."

"Yeah dats what I said he shoulda been in bed"

"and what about the man with the gun?"

"Ahh sewure as I said he meant no harm"

AnonoBoy

rubberdiddies wrote: »

20 year minimum sentence for this.
I dot care what the bleeding hearts brigade think of that.

Just out of curiousity which bleeding hearts brigade member have you heard campaigning for the rights of someone who shoots a small child?

Realtine

DellyBelly wrote: »

Living in Dublin a few years now for a few years and every time there seems to be an incident in Dublin Ballyfermot is mentioned. Either the incident happened there or the people involved are from the area.

I went for a drive out there to see what it was really like 1 Sunday and I have to say it's really frightening place. I went to the Tesco there and the amount of people who looked they were zonked out on drugs was unreal. I wont be in a hurry back there.

Im sure there are decent people living there (poor them) but it looks like it is becoming a real no go area. What can be done? Zero tolerant policing or something similar?

In the the 17 years I have lived in Ballyfermot with my very decent family I can honesty say with hand on heart that I have never had an issue or an incident happen to me - maybe I just keep my head down and get on with it but I've never been afraid in the area. Take a drive in the area after dark and there is not a soul to be seen, as unbelievable at that sounds, it's true.
I don't find it scary at all - never have done and I'm a country lass.
It's far from a no-go area though, Cherry Orchard perhaps needs attention.
I will give you your point about Tesco's though, it's horrible - but not scary.

artful_codger

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Just out of curiousity which bleeding hearts brigade member have you heard campaigning for the rights of someone who shoots a small child?

The Irish Penal Reform Trust.

AnonoBoy

artful_codger wrote: »

The Irish Penal Reform Trust.

Probably not exactly what they stand for though is it?

artful_codger

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Probably not exactly what they stand for though is it?

Does it matter? Their stated position is that the number of prisoners...sorry...'steakholders' should be reduced, imprisonment should be used sparingly and bail should be even more liberal. That applies to all criminals, including rapists, paedophiles and gangsters.

AnonoBoy

artful_codger wrote: »

Does it matter?

I think it does.

Birroc

Only heard of this story this morning. What's going on in Dublin these days?
I suppose the authorities wont lift a finger until it happens in the leafy suburbs. Dublin is losing it's allure very fast lately.

rubberdiddies

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Just out of curiousity which bleeding hearts brigade member have you heard campaigning for the rights of someone who shoots a small child?

I haven't. Yet. But it's only a matter of time. Particularly when it comes to sentencing whoever was responsible

Little CuChulainn

VinLieger wrote: »

Heres what several interviews over the next few days will sound like

"ahh shewure hes a lurvely fella, didnt mean no harm by shooding dat chiuld, hes had a very hard life what with all the other misunderstandins, sewure where were dat childs parents? He shoulda been in skewel......"

"emm it was at 10 at night...."

"Yeah dats what I said he shoulda been in bed"

"and what about the man with the gun?"

"Ahh sewure as I said he meant no harm"

I doubt it to be honest. Shooting a child would be one of those things that would lose you your neighbour privileges up there. It might even convince some of the witnesses to come forward.

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Just out of curiousity which bleeding hearts brigade member have you heard campaigning for the rights of someone who shoots a small child?

When you think of it, the charges would be along the line of endangerment, assault causing harm and discharging a firearm. Not charges that generally carry high sentences. The fact the victim is a child will be unlikely to affect sentencing too much. If you support lighter alternative sentencing in general then you have to accept that people like the guy who shot the child will also take advantage of it.

Birroc wrote: »

Only heard of this story this morning. What's going on in Dublin these days?
I suppose the authorities wont lift a finger until it happens in the leafy suburbs. Dublin is losing it's allure very fast lately.

What do you mean lift a finger?

Sparks

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

When you think of it, the charges would be along the line of endangerment, assault causing harm and discharging a firearm. Not charges that generally carry high sentences.

Possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life (section 15 of the firearms act) would be the first charge I'd think you could prove if you caught the person responsible, seeing as how they had the gun and were shooting at someone with it. The punishment for that is "imprisonment for life or such shorter term as the court may determine" and "a fine of such amount as the court considers appropriate". I don't know what you think of as a high sentence, but I don't think the law is lacking teeth here (all your remaining life and all your money? You can't have a harsher sentence than that without bringing back hanging).
Whether or not the courts choose to use those teeth on the other hand...