Child Shot in Ballyfermot

Dravokivich

Birroc wrote: »

Only heard of this story this morning. What's going on in Dublin these days?
I suppose the authorities wont lift a finger until it happens in the leafy suburbs. Dublin is losing it's allure very fast lately.

Shootings tend to get attention on a case by case basis. It seems they haven't quite cracked going all timecop on it.

carzony

From what i'v heard the department of justice want these people caught and dealt with asap because of the already bad press. I live here and the amount of guards around the place now is unbelievable. Lots of new unmarked cars about and armed detectives..

Little CuChulainn

carzony wrote: »

From what i'v heard the department of justice want these people caught and dealt with asap because of the already bad press. I live here and the amount of guards around the place now is unbelievable. Lots of new unmarked cars about and armed detectives..

A child was shot. I doubt the department of justice have to put any pressure on anyone.

CrazyRabbit

Since details have already been published by the media, I guess it's ok to publish them here.

The boy who was shot is Sean Scully:
http://i.imgur.com/wgIus5V.jpg

The man arrested for withholding information is his uncle Keith Lyons.

mickydoomsux

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Since details have already been published by the media, I guess it's ok to publish them here.

The boy who was shot is Sean Scully:
http://i.imgur.com/wgIus5V.jpg

The man arrested for withholding information is his uncle Keith Lyons.

The scummer code of not talking to the police is still in force then?

Spring Onion

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I love how people who are from these ****ty areas will defend them to the last.

They won't improve if ye all just keep ignoring the problem and trying to convince everyone else that there's nothing wrong. It's not a personal flaw of yours that you came from a kip.

Agree with this. Dubliners seem happy to accept the cesspit that is Dublin's inner city provided the scum doesn't migrate to their suburbs.

No Pants

artful_codger wrote: »

prisoners...sorry...'steakholders'

I've never seen prisoners being described in this way before. I didn't even know they got steak. How long are they asked to hold it for and for what purpose? Is it cooked and do they get to eat it later?

smellmepower

Spring Onion wrote: »

Agree with this. Dubliners seem happy to accept the cesspit that is Dublin's inner city provided the scum doesn't migrate to their suburbs.

Only the entire inner city,and areas like Ballyfermot/Clondalkin/Tallaght etc aren't actually cesspits.That's why Dubliners and people who live in these areas don't like ignorant,media hysteria influenced idiots (who use terms like scum for instance) labeling them so.

kid234

i hope the child will be ok

EyeSight

Why is this story not bigger? Why are the politicians not up in arms about this? Instead they're bickering over some needless bank inquiry

Electric Sheep

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I doubt it to be honest. Shooting a child would be one of those things that would lose you your neighbour privileges up there. It might even convince some of the witnesses to come forward.

As the child's uncle has been arrested for withholding information from the Gardai, I guess not.

old hippy

smellmepower wrote: »

Only the entire inner city,and areas like Ballyfermot/Clondalkin/Tallaght etc aren't actually cesspits.That's why Dubliners and people who live in these areas don't like ignorant,media hysteria influenced idiots (who use terms like scum for instance) labeling them so.

Well said.

It's easier for those who don't or won't take time to look beyond labelling to trade in cliches and righteous indignations, though.

antodeco

I live in Ballyfermot. Wife grew up here. I moved here from what is known as a very posh area. Things people need to know about Ballyfermot:

• There are scum here
• Not everybody is scum (Some of the most decent people you will meet live here)
• Parts of Cherry Orchard is a law upon itself
• The scum normally only attack the scum
• Its fairly empty at night. Yes fights happen, but nowhere more than anywhere else.
• There is a drug influence in parts of Ballyfermot. The locals know who/where they are, and dont want anything to do with them and would rather them gone.
• The fact that a family member of the child is refusing to talk to police should give people an idea of the types that exist in Ballyfermot/other parts of Ireland. This does not mean its everywhere.

Like anywhere, there are elements of scum, but people also need to remember that there are also lots of very nice people. In an area of several thousand people, you will have scum who will cause tarring of everyone else who lives here.

salmocab

Spring Onion wrote: »

Agree with this. Dubliners seem happy to accept the cesspit that is Dublin's inner city provided the scum doesn't migrate to their suburbs.

Ballyfermot isn't inner city not by a good bit. Dubs aren't happy to accept any crap in our city its not a case of the poor inner city and the rich suburbs some of the poorest parts of Dublin are suburbs and rich areas like the famous D4 is practically inner city but don't let geography get in the way of your sweeping statements.

artful_codger

No Pants wrote: »

I've never seen prisoners being described in this way before. I didn't even know they got steak. How long are they asked to hold it for and for what purpose? Is it cooked and do they get to eat it later?

Jesus lad, 2600 posts in one year. Get yourself a few outdoor hobbies instead of being stooped over a keyboard picking up on spelling mistakes.

No Pants

artful_codger wrote: »

Jesus lad, 2600 posts in one year. Get yourself a few outdoor hobbies instead of being stooped over a keyboard picking up on spelling mistakes.

You mean like running, cycling and mountain climbing? :rolleyes:

I'm not that pushed about spelling. I wouldn't remark on it unless (a) it was so bad that the message was lost or (b) there was potentially some humour in it. Take the lousy attempt at a joke at face value.

MadsL

UCDVet wrote: »

This is why we need to outlaw guns!

I was waiting for someone to blame law-abiding gun owners.

dodderangler

MadsL wrote: »

I was waiting for someone to blame law-abiding gun owners.

I don't know of any crimes that have happened involving someone who has a licence for a gun other than few poachers

Little CuChulainn

dodderangler wrote: »

I don't know of any crimes that have happened involving someone who has a licence for a gun other than few poachers

Probably because people don't report crimes to you.

dodderangler

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Probably because people don't report crimes to you.

Well smartarse I happen to be involved in hunting and shooting and a licensed firearm holder and being on a few hunting forums myself I would hear of a gun attack involving someone who is a licensed firearms holder.

EyeSight

dodderangler wrote: »

I don't know of any crimes that have happened involving someone who has a licence for a gun other than few poachers

it's the Irish reaction to a problem. Ban it or tax it but never solve it

dodderangler

EyeSight wrote: »

it's the Irish reaction to a problem. Ban it or tax it but never solve it

Or ramble on bout it an do nothing bout it then.

Little CuChulainn

dodderangler wrote: »

Well smartarse I happen to be involved in hunting and shooting and a licensed firearm holder and being on a few hunting forums myself I would hear of a gun attack involving someone who is a licensed firearms holder.

And you've heard of none? Despite how informed you think you are, it's unlikely you hear of the majority of issues that arise with legally held firearms.

dodderangler

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

And you've heard of none? Despite how informed you think you are, it's unlikely you hear of the majority of issues that arise with legally held firearms.

No. Never heard of anyone shooting someone with their own legally held firearm.

Little CuChulainn

dodderangler wrote: »

No. Never heard of anyone shooting someone with their own legally held firearm.

John Carthy?

Witcher

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

John Carthy?

He didn't shoot anyone.

Puzzle35

I haven't heard much coverage regarding this child's shooting on the radio, RTE /Newstalk. If the child were from a more salubrious area I reckon there would be a real crackdown. Cynical maybe but that's the way i see it!

Little CuChulainn

Blay wrote: »

He didn't shoot anyone.

He shot at them. There's a few others that can be found with a simple google. Legally held guns have been used in domestics and suicides too. I'm not proposing they be banned or anything, but outright denying they are used in crimes is ignorant at best.

Little CuChulainn

Puzzle35 wrote: »

I haven't heard much coverage regarding this child's shooting on the radio, RTE /Newstalk. If the child were from a more salubrious area I reckon there would be a real crackdown. Cynical maybe but that's the way i see it!

Crackdown on what?

Witcher

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

He shot at them. There's a few others that can be found with a simple google. Legally held guns have been used in domestics and suicides too. I'm not proposing they be banned or anything, but outright denying they are used in crimes is ignorant at best.

Never been proven that he fired in anyone's direction. He was shot because he was walking towards unarmed Gardai and wouldn't drop the gun.

TeaBagMania

Other than the few rifle permits issued I thought guns were banned in Ireland? Does anyone know what kind of firearm or if it was even firearm?

Puzzle35

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Crackdown on what?

Thought it was obvious. Gang land shootings.....

Witcher

TeaBagMania wrote: »

Other than the few rifle permits issued I thought guns were banned in Ireland? Does anyone know what kind of firearm or if it was even firearm?

No they're not banned. We don't know what was used yet, some articles said an air rifle.

riffmongous

dodderangler wrote: »

No. Never heard of anyone shooting someone with their own legally held firearm.

There was that Padraig Nally/ John Ward case a while back. He was found not guilty eventually though.

Just saying it out of interest, I can imagine where this might go though..

end of the road

Puzzle35 wrote: »

Thought it was obvious. Gang land shootings.....

how would they do it? as tragic as this shooting is the only thing that could probably prevent such shootings is the guards gaining intelligence that a shooting is going to happen for which the ERU would turn up, if the guards don't get intelligence nothing can be done, thats the reality

Skill Magill

So now we have chaps with access to guns, who haven't a clue how to shoot and nearly kill some poor innocent kid, and not too long ago John Gilligan was sitting in the toilet and another gunman shot through the door and Gilligan survived. These muppets need training to say the very least, there's a very low level of competence with these fellows, which is scary.

end of the road

rubberdiddies wrote: »

Yes I know I'm rambling

yes, yes you are, and its daily fail/indo rabel rabel, nonsense like "I dot care what the bleeding hearts brigade think" = invalidate point, for what its worth all this "setting an example" rubbish has been proven to fail, you deal with someone because they commit a crime thats it, not to deter others or set an example as its a pointless waste of time

EyeSight

end of the road wrote: »

how would they do it? as tragic as this shooting is the only thing that could probably prevent such shootings is the guards gaining intelligence that a shooting is going to happen for which the ERU would turn up, if the guards don't get intelligence nothing can be done, thats the reality

or just cracking down on the gangs in general. We all know some of the main guys. Everyone does. But it's extremely rare lately to see the guards catching one of the big guys.

In any other country if a kid or a cop gets shot, the next morning there's plenty of raid on the big guys. Why? Because it makes them lose money and ****s with their "business". Then they think twice about what hits they sanction and on someone.
Sure it might not work. But it's better than doing what we usually do! i.e. Nothing

No Pants

Skill Magill wrote: »

These muppets need training to say the very least, there's a very low level of competence with these fellows, which is scary.

That's an interesting idea. Maybe Fás or Solas or whatever they're called now could run some courses.

My name is URL

Skill Magill wrote: »

So now we have chaps with access to guns, who haven't a clue how to shoot and nearly kill some poor innocent kid, and not too long ago John Gilligan was sitting in the toilet and another gunman shot through the door and Gilligan survived. These muppets need training to say the very least, there's a very low level of competence with these fellows, which is scary.

So are you condemning the shooting or saying that the scummers should be better with guns?

It's not scary that they have little experience with firearms, it's scary that people think it's grand that they shoot each other. That's what leads to innocents getting hurt.. idiots saying that they don't care if one cnut tries to kill another on the streets.

Skill Magill

They shouldn't have access to guns if they're not up to a certain standard, I have no problems letting them kill each other whatsoever, but if they're incompetent they shouldn't be given the guns in the first place.

Shakespeare's Sister

Yeh because whomever they acquire fire-arms from is really concerned about their shooting training.
Weird bemoaning their lack of training rather than bemoaning the shooting at all.

Bateman

Explain that to the gangs, I'm sure they'll see the value in it

Skill Magill

If they had been trained no innocent would have been injured

end of the road

EyeSight wrote: »

or just cracking down on the gangs in general. We all know some of the main guys. Everyone does. But it's extremely rare lately to see the guards catching one of the big guys.

if no evidence exists nothing can be done, if evidence is got they will be caught

EyeSight wrote: »

In any other country if a kid or a cop gets shot, the next morning there's plenty of raid on the big guys. Why? Because it makes them lose money and ****s with their "business"

for a few minutes maybe, then it will be business as usual

EyeSight wrote: »

they think twice about what hits they sanction and on someone.

they don't, if they want to take out a hit they will, thats the sad reality, deterrents don't work for such criminality.

EyeSight wrote: »

Sure it might not work. But it's better than doing what we usually do! i.e. Nothing

if the guards can't get the evidence together then they can't do anything, its the same in any civilized country.

No Pants

My name is URL wrote: »

It's not scary that they have little experience with firearms, it's scary that people think it's grand that they shoot each other. That's what leads to innocents getting hurt.. idiots saying that they don't care if one cnut tries to kill another on the streets.

What we need is a Hamsterdam offshore, some wee island off the coast where the drug trade is legal. Make sure they have loads of weapons on the island. Could even make a TV show out of it.

end of the road

Skill Magill wrote: »

If they had been trained no innocent would have been injured

oh dear, you really haven't a clue

emo72

end of the road wrote: »

oh dear, you really haven't a clue

hes fishing, and you took the bait:pac:

Skill Magill

Skill Magill wrote: »

If they had been trained no innocent would have been injured

or, if they were decent human beings, a child would not have been shot

Skill Magill

end of the road wrote: »

oh dear, you really haven't a clue

How so?
If the gunman was trained he would have shot the intended target and not the innocent kid, its not that hard of a concept.
Are you suggesting that the intended target was innocent?