Thoughts on Legalizing Marijuana

dundalkfc10

catallus wrote: »

What's ridiculous is people saying that cannabis is a harmless drug. Its ridiculous to say that it has no downsides. Its ridiculous to promote it as a good thing for people with depression (as has been said in-thread), it is ridiculous to say "There is no come down, you get high hour later your no longer high but it puts you back to straight line." or " your "endo canabaniod" system actually creates "canabinoids" in everyone's system so weather or not you smoke it you enjoy the effects of it." It is ridiculous to say "If you smoke indica, it can make you tired, but when that wears off, you actually feel more energetic." and "There simply is no come down from cannabis."

What is it with drug-users that they want to drag everyone else into their malaise?

Personally, I couldn't care less what people want to do drugwise, if you want to dope yourself up to the eyeballs with whatever you're having yourself, but the idea of making it legal and freely available is just dumb. The damage caused by alcohol would, one thinks, give a good indicator of what an intoxicant can do if it is freely available, and that legality is, perversely, given as a reason why we should **** up society more!?

I think you have smoked a bit too much yourself

Nemeses

Its simple enough to legalise it: (I don't smoke the stuff myself - I prefer good aul fashion Nicotine)

• Its a natural (somewhat) plant.
• You can make paper / other products from it
• You can smoke it (woohoo says the guy in the back)
• You can make profit
• You can remove a ton of criminal activity
• More Tax income
• More jobs
• The list goes on..

There's more benefit to remove such restriction than there is restricting it.

If someone can actually provide a valid argument as to why it should still remain illegal then maybe there would be a proper discussion on this.

The Anti drug parade here using the same aul excuses... grow up. Use some facts to make your argument.

Its about time this planet moved forwards.. not backwards.

ScumLord

catallus wrote: »

Your point of view seems to be blind to the after-effects of this insidious drug.

There's nothing nicer, from the pov of a barman or even the government, than a stoned person; they are mellow and malleable, all is good with the world; until the problem of coming down arises. This is when the paranoiac violence and rage comes out.

The inner illumination offered by drugs is enticing. But it is a false light.

Do actually know what cannabis is? What it does? I think you need to find some new sources of information because what you've said doesn't even remotely relate to cannabis at all. It's a complete fantasy, what kind of a barman would like to see a stoner walk in his door?

catallus wrote: »

What's ridiculous is people saying that cannabis is a harmless drug.

Who said that? What's ridiculous is when people don't listen to the other side of the argument and just start making stuff up instead.

Your points make it clear you have your head in the sand, you would rather wallow in your own delusions than listen to the facts of the drug, how it affects people and the opinions of people that actually know what they're talking about through experience and have information that comes from more reputable sources than the daily mail.

Its ridiculous to say that it has no downsides. Its ridiculous to promote it as a good thing for people with depression (as has been said in-thread), it is ridiculous to say "There is no come down, you get high hour later your no longer high but it puts you back to straight line." or " your "endo canabaniod" system actually creates "canabinoids" in everyone's system so weather or not you smoke it you enjoy the effects of it." It is ridiculous to say "If you smoke indica, it can make you tired, but when that wears off, you actually feel more energetic." and "There simply is no come down from cannabis."

Who are you supposed to be quoting here? You do know putting quotes around statements doesn't make them true?

What is it with drug-users that they want to drag everyone else into their malaise?

No drug user wants to drag people like you into their group, they just want you to mind your own business and stop spouting hatred.

Personally, I couldn't care less what people want to do drugwise, if you want to dope yourself up to the eyeballs with whatever you're having yourself, but the idea of making it legal and freely available is just dumb.

So you think a black market funding organised crime is preferable to a regulated market? That is dumb.

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I don't like listening to drunks any more than I like listening to people who are stoned. I can avoid listening to drunks by not going to bars, if dope is legalised I'll be forced to listen to stoned morons in cafes and in public areas.

I don't see how, unless you go out of your way to find stoners, stand beside them and spark up a conversation. It's not like people would be allowed to smoke in most public places, it's not allowed in Amsterdam and seeing as we have the smoking ban I don't see coffeeshops like amsterdam working here.

frag420

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

I think you have smoked a bit too much yourself

Fantastic argument, a round of applause!!

dundalkfc10

frag420 wrote: »

Fantastic argument, a round of applause!!

I thought so myself, The only explanation for the ridiculous ****e that he/she was posting was either
A. Too Much Drink
B. Smoked too much
c. Both

Im away for a Joint, just in from work (Yeh full time job and 2 degrees in my bag)
Free the Weed

mariaalice

I am all for it provide it can be keep away for those with mental health issues, family history of metal health issues and or issues with alcohol or any one who wants to medicate away the pain of living and so one.

A moderate amount used occasionally is not going to do any harm to a mature secure contented person.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

As a teenager I smoked probably more than I drank, because it was easier to get your hands on weed than alcohol when you were underage. Keeping it criminalised does NOTHING to keep it away from kids or anybody else who wants it.

I used to be a pretty heavy smoker, more occasional now. There are downsides to it when it's not done in moderation, just like alcohol, sleep, salt, sex, cheese, TV and basically everything else. The downsides for moderate use or even excessive use are far less damaging than those of alcohol or nicotine or codeine or paracetomol or a million other things that are not illegal and that adults are trusted to self-regulate with. The downsides for moderate or excessive use are also far less than those of almost every other illegal drug, weed quite simply is nowhere near in the same league as other drugs.

The possible downsides of decriminalisation or legalisation pale in significance to the current downsides of prohibition: taxable income going to criminals and violent gangs, easy access for kids, uncertainty about the quality and strength of what you're buying, clogging up garda and court resources and having serious negative impacts on the lives of adults who get caught with a (relatively) harmless drug for personal use.

It's not a case of 'weed is great! There's nothing wrong with smoking weed all day every day!', it's a case of 'prohibition of weed is ludicrous'.

Anyways, America sneezes and we get a cold, so hopefully there'll be some bit of sense about this at some point in the foreseeable future.

PopePalpatine

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Yeah man:rolleyes:

Do you actually have a point?

Given that you think that drunks are also "bores", will you be calling for a ban on alcohol too?

Holsten

My thoughts are 100% for legalization of it.

If I want to smoke myself into oblivion and become glued to my couch every night, why should that be illegal?

McChubbin

I would be for legalizing it in a medical sense. My mother has fibromyalgia and is in constant daily pain to the point where some days she struggles to do even the most simply of tasks. She has often thought about taking weed in a bid to blot out the pain but is fearful of the paranoia that comes with habitual weed smoking.
If weed was legalized and regulated so that the medical grade stuff was engineered in such a way as to eliminate or at the very least, reduce the bad side effects, I would be all for legalizing it if it meant my mother could get at least one day without chronic, crippling pain.

ScumLord

McChubbin wrote: »

If weed was legalized and regulated so that the medical grade stuff was engineered in such a way as to eliminate or at the very least, reduce the bad side effects, I would be all for legalizing it if it meant my mother could get at least one day without chronic, crippling pain.

I don't see too much paranoia that couldn't be put down to the illegality of the drug. People are going to have different reactions though, if it's going to make her paranoid it's probably going to happen from the moment she starts smoking it. Other than building up a tolerance how her body reacts to the drug won't change that much over time.

One thing you could both do is take a trip to Amsterdam, I'm sure if you do some research they have places that specialise in the medical uses of cannabis and they may be able to provide advice and cannabis in a safe environment, away from the legalities that would introduce paranoia, fear and guilt at home. Ye could tell everybody else you're just going on a holiday.

renegademaster

so it seems that the prohibition of cannabis in Ireland is essentially ending in the next few days!

http://www.thejournal.ie/medicinal-marijuana-ireland-1563673-Jul2014/

JUNIOR HEALTH MINISTER Alex White has confirmed that he will sign off on the introduction of Savitex, a medicinal marijuana product, within days.

White said that he remains “hopeful” about signing the legislation tomorrow, but noted that it may be delayed until early next week.

The junior minister made the comments during an Oireachtas Health Committee meeting this morning.

On Monday, the Health Products Regulatory Authority CEO Pat O’Mahony said that sufferers of Multiple Sclerosis (MS) would soon be able to avail of the drug, once they get a prescription from their GP.

Speaking on RTÉ’s Today with Seán O’Rouke, O’Mahony said:

This product is prescribed and dispensed for people with Multiple Sclerosis and it is very, very helpful for that cohort of patients for the muscle spasms that they suffer, which are a big complication of that condition.

Last month, White told TheJournal.ie that while he does not think Ireland is in a position to fully legalise cannabis, he keeps “a very close eye” on what’s happening internationally.

ScumLord

It's basically the least they could do, but at least the people who really need it can get some limited access now.

renegademaster

ScumLord wrote: »

It's basically the least they could do, but at least the people who really need it can get some limited access now.

the horse is about to bolt, are ya ready?

Holsten

Only a matter of time really.

It will spread from Colorado to other states and then throughout the world.

InTheTrees

Holsten wrote: »

It will spread from Colorado

Colorado? Pffft. We here in Washington State legalized it at the same time, its just that Colorado allowed the retail stores to open a little sooner.

But Washington retail stores are open now and I think the "model" is better than colorado's. All weed sold in Washington state is certified as grown in Washington state. There should be no weird illegal stuff seeping into the supply chain.

Here's a local news story from opening day. Pretty cool. Even the Mayor of Seattle came and bought a bag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N0YyuIEo2c

renegademaster

is today the day, Fri 11th July 2014, the day cannabis prohibition ended in Ireland and people were allowed to experience the benefits of using cannabis without the paranoia of getting in trouble

Irishcrx

renegademaster wrote: »

is today the day, Fri 11th July 2014, the day cannabis prohibition ended in Ireland and people were allowed to experience the benefits of using cannabis without the paranoia of getting in trouble

Well no , It's only in a medical format for serious sufferers of MS I think , everyone else will still be dragged to court over a joint I'm afraid...

Guess it's a start though..

catallus

renegademaster wrote: »

is today the day, Fri 11th July 2014, the day cannabis prohibition ended in Ireland and people were allowed to experience the benefits of using cannabis without the paranoia of getting in trouble

Oh you crazy drug users! :rolleyes:

The paranoia will still be there.......

Leogirl

Irishcrx wrote: »

Well no , It's only in a medical format for serious sufferers of MS I think , everyone else will still be dragged to court over a joint I'm afraid...

Guess it's a start though..

I have MS - sorted!!

Buzz Killington the third

Marlboro Marijuana Cigarettes:

"Phillip Morris shares hit an all-time high on the marijuana news and shot up to $420.00 from $83.03 just a few hours after the announcement went public."
http://abriluno.com/phillip-morris-introduces-marlboro-marijuana-cigarettes/

They'll make a fortune, and since they're not classified as a tobacco product, they can advertise wherever they want.

catallus

That link is making my anti-virus thingys flash red, are you trying to infect me with your drug propaganda?!

Grayson

Leogirl wrote: »

I have MS - sorted!!

lol. First time that was celebrated

Hope you enjoy the sativex. I think I'll have to book flights to the dam

Ranchu

In a couple of years time I think we'll be able to buy it quite easily. If the uk legalises first it would be impossible to stop it coming in from the north and we'll be laughing.

Leogirl

Grayson wrote: »

lol. First time that was celebrated

Hope you enjoy the sativex. I think I'll have to book flights to the dam

About time there was some plus points to having it I might make a little business out of it!!

ONLY JOKING (of course)!!

PopePalpatine

catallus wrote: »

Oh you crazy drug users! :rolleyes:

The paranoia will still be there.......

Yeah, yours. Go back to writing your next serving of bile for next Friday's Indo.

renegademaster

Ranchu wrote: »

In a couple of years time I think we'll be able to buy it quite easily. If the uk legalises first it would be impossible to stop it coming in from the north and we'll be laughing.

i think you'll find the country is awash with top quality cannabis and grow houses already, has been for a long time now at this stage

weezy thursday

Its about time the government cop on and legalize marijuana its always going to be here people ar growing it in there attics now or some slave migrant locked away in the arse of no were slaving away and most are growin some very bad ****. an calling it a gate way drug alcohol is more gate way its a gate way drug for drug dealers they make so much money there buying a load of heroin then an really killing society its a shame our so called politicians have no vision FREE THE WEED...

InTheTrees

Buzz Killington the third wrote: »

"Phillip Morris shares hit an all-time high on the marijuana news and shot up to $420.00 from $83.03 just a few hours after the announcement went public."
They'll make a fortune, and since they're not classified as a tobacco product, they can advertise wherever they want.

I think its a gag judging by that share price.

$420?

DLMA23

Yes please