Drink Driving

Chancer3001

I think the limit is too low too.

Should be roughly 3 pints

Bruthal

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

People who drink and drive are muppets.

A very high percentage of people are muppets sometime.

Wompa1

Chancer3001 wrote: »

I think the limit is too low too.

Should be roughly 3 pints

nah. It should be zero.

Bruthal

Jumboman wrote: »

You should be allowed to drink one or two pints before your over the limit.

I have driven when I was tired in which I was in a worse state than if I drank 8 pints yet that is perfectly legal.

Yea but drinking is completely avoidable. I'm sure many would be better drivers after 5 or 6 pints than others are with none.

But voluntarily drinking reduces your competence no matter how great or bad it is to start with.

Bruthal

Wompa1 wrote: »

nah. It should be zero.

I don't think it should be zero. Otherwise might be penalty points for fresh breath etc.

end of the road

Wompa1 wrote: »

nah. It should be zero.

no it shouldn't. it can't be done. to many medications and other necessary things contain alcohol. so a 0 limit is not worth the fall out or even the cost. back in the old days the car knew its way home, now days with to much traffic on the road that isn't an option but a 0 limit is not something i want my taxes wasted on enforcing.

alan partridge aha

We may go back to the horse and car like Michlin in The Quiet Man.
https://varchitectthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/horse-cart-car.jpg

genericguy

Chancer3001 wrote: »

I think the limit is too low too.

Should be roughly 3 pints

Should be 3 pints because it suits you? Sorry but I hope someone has three pints and hits your child.

end of the road

genericguy wrote: »

Should be 3 pints because it suits you? Sorry but I hope someone has three pints and hits your child.

thats a disgusting thing to say. obviously you are someone with no morals

obplayer

genericguy wrote: »

Should be 3 pints because it suits you? Sorry but I hope someone has three pints and hits your child.

And Merry Christmas to you too.

the_syco

I have non-alcoholic cider in the boot of my car. If I happen across a party whilst driving, I usually just drink them (or you know, just not drink). If I know I'll be going to a party, either I'll ensure there's room there for me to put my airbed and sleeping bag, or that there's room somewhere else nearby.

Jumboman wrote: »

You should be allowed to drink one or two pints before your over the limit.

This is Ireland. There is no such thing as "two pints".

Jumboman wrote: »

I have driven when I was tired in which I was in a worse state than if I drank 8 pints yet that is perfectly legal.

May you hit a tree next time this happens. Because if it's not a tree, it'll be some poor family. If this happens regularly, have a can of your caffeine drink of choice within reach whilst you drive that you can drink should you know that you're tired.

Wompa1

Bruthal wrote: »

I don't think it should be zero. Otherwise might be penalty points for fresh breath etc.

end of the road wrote: »

no it shouldn't. it can't be done. to many medications and other necessary things contain alcohol. so a 0 limit is not worth the fall out or even the cost. back in the old days the car knew its way home, now days with to much traffic on the road that isn't an option but a 0 limit is not something i want my taxes wasted on enforcing.

I understand, I meant 0 pints. You shouldn't be able to have any pints and then drive

Bruthal

genericguy wrote: »

Should be 3 pints because it suits you? Sorry but I hope someone has three pints and hits your child.

Bit of a nutter post there. Likely an indicator of some sort.

Bruthal

Wompa1 wrote: »

I understand, I meant 0 pints. You shouldn't be able to have any pints and then drive

No way to have an above zero limit and also guarantee 1 pint puts you over limit. Lots of factors involved.

Chancer3001

genericguy wrote: »

Should be 3 pints because it suits you? Sorry but I hope someone has three pints and hits your child.

Jesus, what a retard.

Chancer3001

Anyways.....

I think the effect 3 pints has on the average male (whatever that blood level is, apply it across the board) is pretty low.

Low enough to be safe.

Does anybody have any data from other countries where they have higher limits of alcohol and no increase in drink driving related deaths?

Jumboman

the_syco wrote: »

May you hit a tree next time this happens.

It wont happen because when I'm in that state I drive extremely slow.

If drink driving was legal I would do the same thing after 4 or 5 pints.

AnimalChin

genericguy wrote: »

Should be 3 pints because it suits you? Sorry but I hope someone has three pints and hits your child.

Generic people are the worst.

Bridge93

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Anyways.....

I think the effect 3 pints has on the average male (whatever that blood level is, apply it across the board) is pretty low.

Low enough to be safe.

Does anybody have any data from other countries where they have higher limits of alcohol and no increase in drink driving related deaths?

It would depend on the length of time they were drunk in. You would feel considerably more drunk if they were all in an hour than if they were over 3 or so hours.
Would be difficult to police this, hence it's easier to have it at such a level that it isn't felt regardless of the speed it was consumed at. Really it shouldnt be higher than it is now

Sofiztikated

Are people actually trying to argue that driving with alcohol consumed is ok?

Fúck, this place just oozing arseholes at times.

Degag

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Are people actually trying to argue that driving with alcohol consumed is ok?

Fúck, this place just oozing arseholes at times.

Being honest, I think the people chastising others for driving after a pint or half a glass of wine are the arseholes.

Jumboman

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Are people actually trying to argue that driving with alcohol consumed is ok?

Fúck, this place just oozing arseholes at times.

You should be allowed to have 1 or 2 drinks with a meal etc.

I don't think people who have had 1 or 2 drinks are a major danger on the roads.

The zero drink drive limit is just political correctness in my opinion.

Sofiztikated

Degag wrote: »

Being honest, I think the people chastising others for driving after a pint or half a glass of wine are the arseholes.

A pint is 2.3 units, a 1/2 a glass of wine is 1.1 units, which is a bit of a difference. But what if the alcohol % is stronger than the 4% (ish) on beer? What if you have a pint of Sink The Bismark? That's 41% ABV. Is one or two pints of it ok to drive after?

See, that's why it's measured on blood alcohol units, rather than a "ah a pint is ok."

Wompa1

Wompa1 wrote: »

nah. It should be zero.

You have an anti-drink agenda in general but you can't have a zero limit its nonsense.

If you can't drive after 3 pints then you can't drive imo.

People really need to start separating a lad driving home after there 2 or 3 pints and a lad driving home hammered.

Degag

Sofiztikated wrote: »

A pint is 2.3 units, a 1/2 a glass of wine is 1.1 units, which is a bit of a difference. But what if the alcohol % is stronger than the 4% (ish) on beer? What if you have a pint of Sink The Bismark? That's 41% ABV. Is one or two pints of it ok to drive after?

See, that's why it's measured on blood alcohol units, rather than a "ah a pint is ok."

Don't be silly. You know I meant a pint of beer/cider etc.

Sofiztikated

Degag wrote: »

Don't be silly. You know I meant a pint of beer/cider etc.

That is beer. See, that's where your one or two pints gauge is daft.

If I have 3 pints of standard 4.5% lager, I'll know about it, and I wouldn't fancy my chances if my reactions were tested. But by your scale, I'd be ok, because I only had 3 pints.

osarusan

Zahir Thoughtless Lap wrote: »

People really need to start separating a lad drinking home after there 2 or 3 pints and a lad driving home hammered.

I certainly hope the police never start separating the two.

The "I'm grand after a few pints" line makes my blood boil.

FloatingVoter

I've driven unlicensed, untaxed and with a bottle of vodka in the mix. It was an emergency and I got us there in one piece. A hospital run.
Adrenalin does the business in that situation. Sitting on your ass and saying I'm going out tonight to get drunk and then I'll chance my arm on driving home is idiotic. For a start its become so taboo that someone in the bar (probably the barman) will ring the cops before you put the key in the ignition.
Smoke your brains out in pubs, do a few lines on the counter for all I care but don't drive a weapon home.

looking_around

Jumboman wrote: »

It wont happen because when I'm in that state I drive extremely slow.

If drink driving was legal I would do the same thing after 4 or 5 pints.

so you want to police "if drunk, drive slow" ...good luck with that. the blood alcohol limit, exists because it's the easiest.and most efficient to.enforce.

Bruthal

FloatingVoter wrote: »

I've driven unlicensed, untaxed and with a bottle of vodka in the mix. It was an emergency and I got us there in one piece. A hospital run.
Adrenalin does the business in that situation. Sitting on your ass and saying I'm going out tonight to get drunk and then I'll chance my arm on driving home is idiotic. For a start its become so taboo that someone in the bar (probably the barman) will ring the cops before you put the key in the ignition.
Smoke your brains out in pubs, do a few lines on the counter for all I care but don't drive a weapon home.

Just because you got there in one piece is no indication that adrenalin did it's job. Plenty make it in one piece while hammered.

As for barmen ringing the cops after serving a driver all night, I doubt that. Follows people out to the car park to unsure they take to the road first does he?

Chancer3001

I think they should increase the limit to whatever effect normal beer has after 3 pints on an average male.


Now, if you wouldn't trust yourself with that much alcohol in your system to drive, then don't drive. Simples.

Bruthal

Chancer3001 wrote: »

I think they should increase the limit to whatever effect normal beer has after 3 pints on an average male.


Now, if you wouldn't trust yourself with that much alcohol in your system to drive, then don't drive. Simples.

The effect of 3 pints on an average person varies greatly due to numerous factors.

How much has been eaten, how fast they drank the pints, how long between last pint and actually driving. So big a variance that the blood alcohol level is the only real test to indicate an average affect.

Kathy22

I do not understand how people end up in situations where they drink drive. If I go out the car always stays at home or I drive and have a soft drink. It would never cross my mind to mix drinking and driving.

My grandfather was killed by a drunk driver as he cycled to work early one morning. His death left my mother and her brothers without a parent before her 22nd birthday. It had a huge effect on all of them. Anyone that condones or drink drives themselves are morans with no consideration for others in society. If I knew someone that was drink driving I would report them. End of!!

I read this story a few weeks back:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/anatomy-of-a-car-crash-part-1-1.2025739

It's not just the lives of the person that dies but it has such a knock on effect on all those that care for them. Its simply not worth it!!

Chancer3001

Bruthal wrote: »

The effect of 3 pints on an average person varies greatly due to numerous factors.

How much has been eaten, how fast they drank the pints, how long between last pint and actually driving. So big a variance that the blood alcohol level is the only real test to indicate an average affect.

Nope, on the average person.

Average height, average amount of food eaten, average alcohol tolerance.

The average male.

And I think you should be allowed drive just after finishing the 3rd pint.

UCDVet

Alcohol reduces your ability to drive. But if you think about it, the better driver you are, the drunker you could be and still safely drive.

A professional race car driver could be drunk and still in better condition to drive than my Grandmother sober.

Chancer3001

http://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/specialist/knowledge/alcohol/index_en.htm

That's a nice concise article that actually changed my mind a little.

Basically any increase in alcohol,increases your chance of crashing.

And the more you drink the more severe the accident gets.

Chancer3001

http://www.alcohol.org.nz/research-resources/nz-statistics/road-traffic-crashes-and-deaths

Another stat, for every 100 drink drivers who die, 50 passengers also die, and 19 non-drinkers die.

Kathy22

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Nope, on the average person.

Average height, average amount of food eaten, average alcohol tolerance.

The average male.

And I think you should be allowed drive just after finishing the 3rd pint.

What an absolute load of rubbish. Laws exist to apply to all of society. Will there be a seperate rule for women? Will it be the effect of 3 glasses of wine?

No matter how 'sober' you think you are after 3 pints, you are not. It effects your senses and it will impair how quickly you react to a difficult situation when behind a wheel.

Tarzana2

Zahir Thoughtless Lap wrote: »

If you can't drive after 3 pints then you can't drive imo.

Such a stupid statement.

Alcohol affects different people differently. I'd be nearly drunk on 3 pints, very very tipsy. You need to legislate with this in mind. The current limit errs on the side of caution to take into account different tolerances. It doesn't matter if 3 pints is nothing to YOU, others are different. And honestly, people's claims that they can drive perfectly after X amount of drink need to be taken with a pinch.

Jumboman

Chancer3001 wrote: »

http://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/specialist/knowledge/alcohol/index_en.htm

That's a nice concise article that actually changed my mind a little.

Basically any increase in alcohol,increases your chance of crashing.

And the more you drink the more severe the accident gets.

Yes we know that but alcohol is just one of many risk factors when it comes to driving.

Fr_Dougal

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Jesus, what a retard.

You're the one advocating drink-driving, yet he's the 'retard'?

Canyon86

anybody who drink drives regardless of amount is a selfish person,

danrua01

If I'm driving I prefer to not drink at all, that way I can be 100% sure.

MadYaker

I know it's possible to have one drink and be under the limit but if I'm driving I just don't drink at all it's just easier. I often drive the morning after though, as long as I'm sober but even then id say id be over the limit a lot of the time.

It's funny how the perception of drink driving has changed, it's really stigmatised now, when my dad was my age he says they used to go to the pub and he'd have 3 or 4 pints and drive and nobody thought twice about it. These days if I did that my friends would think I'm a moron and rightly so.

MadYaker

MadYaker wrote: »

It's funny how the perception of drink driving has changed, it's really stigmatised now, when my dad was my age he says they used to go to the pub and he'd have 3 or 4 pints and drive and nobody thought twice about it. These days if I did that my friends would think I'm a moron and rightly so.

It's not really stigmatised in rural areas. Half all the people who drink in my local would be driving home and everyone complains about guards bagging etc even people who don't drink and drive themselves.

Being from a rural area and currently living in a city I can see a big divide in opinions on the issue.

Tarzana2

Zahir Thoughtless Lap wrote: »

It's not really stigmatised in rural areas. Half all the people who drink in my local would be driving home and everyone complains about guards bagging etc even people who don't drink and drive themselves.

Being from a rural area and currently living in a city I can see a big divide in opinions on the issue.

Sorry, but no. I'm originally from a rural area and where my parents live, it is more certainly not considered acceptable by most people. People who do it are generally considered inconsiderate assholes. Where my folks live, the view is that not enough people are bagged by the guards. This is not an issue with an urban/rural divide.

Shenshen

Zahir Thoughtless Lap wrote: »

It's not really stigmatised in rural areas. Half all the people who drink in my local would be driving home and everyone complains about guards bagging etc even people who don't drink and drive themselves.

Being from a rural area and currently living in a city I can see a big divide in opinions on the issue.

What I can't get my head around is why people in rural pubs will complain and moan about the limit and the guards actually doing their job, as you said. Yet, at the same time they can't seem to get themselves organised to share a taxi driving them all home, or just have a designated driver rota.

Honestly, it's not all that difficult.

Tarzana2

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Sorry, but no. I'm originally from a rural area and where my parents live, it is more certainly not considered acceptable by most people. People who do it are generally considered inconsiderate assholes. Where my folks live, the view is that not enough people are bagged by the guards. This is not an issue with an urban/rural divide.

Very different people in your area so, I know virtually nobody of any age who would against someone having their couple of pints and driving home. Plenty still do it but the majority don't simply out of fear of being caught (I'd fall into this bracket), they would love to be allowed to do it.

Shenshen wrote: »

What I can't get my head around is why people in rural pubs will complain and moan about the limit and the guards actually doing their job, as you said. Yet, at the same time they can't seem to get themselves organised to share a taxi driving them all home, or just have a designated driver rota.

Honestly, it's not all that difficult.

Organising a taxi for after a proper night out is fine. It's a pain and totally impractical for someone popping in for 2 or 3 pints while grabbing milk and the paper or on the way home from work.

Plenty of the auld lads would have their 2 or 3 every evening after doing their bit of shopping it's would just be out of the question paying or even getting a taxi operating in the area for multiple people leaving at differnt times and going in different directions.

Dunford

Drink drivers are dangerous idiots. To themselves and others. Rural living is difficult to get to a bar.but drink driving isn't the answer.

hynesie08

Zahir Thoughtless Lap wrote: »

Organising a taxi for after a proper night out is fine. It's a pain and totally impractical for someone popping in for 2 or 3 pints while grabbing milk and the paper or on the way home from work.

Plenty of the auld lads would have their 2 or 3 every evening after doing their bit of shopping it's would just be out of the question paying or even getting a taxi operating in the area for multiple people leaving at differnt times and going in different directions.

Then don't "pop in for 2 or 3". If you're driving don't drink. I can't believe this is even a topic of conversation in 2014.