Season 4 Finale : HAVE read the books - spoilers possible

username123

Liam O wrote: »

Which would surely make Stannis doubt Melisandre's power which is another needless change.

I bet we find out about his death in the opening episode of Season 5, leading nicely into lots of stuff about the Iron Born.

OneOfThem Stumbled

username123 wrote: »

I bet we find out about his death in the opening episode of Season 5, leading nicely into lots of stuff about the Iron Born.

In a possibly leaked piece of info on the fifth season, in the first episode we're supposed to see Balon crossing Pyke on foot, but upon his appraoch to one of Pyke's many bridges, he gets accosted by an old, sinister fellow; possibly magical in origin. This man is supposed to call out to Balon and say "What is your name?", to which Balon naturally responds "I am Balon Greyjoy: Lord Reaper of Pyke, King of Salt and Rock, Son of the Sea Wind." "What is you favourite colour?"

RobbingBandit

If it is a magical person it will probably be Pyat Pree as Euron Crows Eye is said to have saved the warlocks from the sea on his way back.

Raphael

chupacabra

username123 wrote: »

Bit rushed with Tywin Lannister, also, they must be ditching Tyrion travelling with Penny or perhaps ditching Jon Connington, which would be a shame.

I believe Varys will replace Jon Connington.

ixoy

Both of us here really enjoyed it.

Maybe it's because I read "A Storm of Swords" years and years ago, but the deviations didn't bother me and I'm quite happy for the show to take its own journey rather than slavishly follow every twist and turn (which will be important for the somewhat tiresome "A Feast for Crows").

LS not being there - grand. Good twist but I felt it was a little bit of a cheap one and really, other than going "Ohh cool - Zombie mum!" it didn't really do much for me.

FunLover18

Very disappointed with the Tywin/Jaime stuff. Really rushed, was it too much to expect watchers to remember who Tysha was? "AAre you afraid of a dead whore" doesn't have the same ring as "Wherever whores go"

Not sure where there going with Cersei. Really didn't like her telling Tywin about herself and Jaime, a complete deviation from the books.

Hound v Brienne was epic!! Dying Hound and Arya, excellent. I was sceptical of the Arya/Hound buddy comedy thing at the start but it really worked out in the end.

No LS

razorblunt

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

In a possibly leaked piece of info on the fifth season, in the first episode we're supposed to see Balon crossing Pyke on foot, but upon his appraoch to one of Pyke's many bridges, he gets accosted by an old, sinister fellow; possibly magical in origin. This man is supposed to call out to Balon and say "What is your name?", to which Balon naturally responds "I am Balon Greyjoy: Lord Reaper of Pyke, King of Salt and Rock, Son of the Sea Wind." "What is you favourite colour?"

I hope he's swotting up on his seagulls.


The tyrion killings didn't have the same effect for me as in the books, especially as they removed Jaimie's reveal of his first love.

Un Croissant

The duke out between Brienne and Hound was class, I thought. I thought the skeletons were dodgy at best. It seemed very frantic or something. I also had to remind a very very recent book reader about Stoneheart so she didn't notice. No big deal really.

FunLover18

Someone just said to me "I still think Arya killed the Hound even if Brienne did all the work" he knows I've read the books do you think I could get away with something along the lines of "who said he was dead?"

bopper

FunLover18 wrote: »

Very disappointed with the Tywin/Jaime stuff. Really rushed, was it too much to expect watchers to remember who Tysha was?

I think so yes. Hasn't she only been mentioned once back in the first season?

My Dad and his wife are massive fans of the show but outside of the hour a week that they watch it, they really don't devote any time to it. Considering the large number of viewers who don't discuss the show online, read up on theories, revisit episodes a second time etc. I think if there were 2 minutes of forced dialogue thrown in about Tysha, a character we haven't heard about in three years, a lot of viewers would have been left scratching their heads.

Mr.Prodston

Ok I've re-watched it now with a clearer head and I was much happier with it the second time around. I guess I was caught up in my expectations this morning.

Sure I'm still disappointed that the Tysha angle was cut but I remember saying before the season started that as long as the Shae scene played out ok then it would all be cool. Tyrion walks in expecting to find his father and sees the woman he loved in his father's bed. Her betrayal was real and I can more clearly see Tyrion's rationale in the show, it's the same only powered by love for Shae rather than Tysha.

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Rory McCann was absolutely fantastic and Maisie Williams is destined for great things. Their scenes this season have been some of the greatest in tv history, no hyperbole there either. He truly brought the Hound to life and fair play to D&D for keeping the Quiet isle theory alive at least.

The music in the episode was absolutely fantastic too and should get a lot more credit. Julian Glover as Pycelle was hilarious too. Season 5 will be the year of the Stan. His scene with Mance was great and Ciaran Hinds in general was very good in both scenes. It would have been nice to have had even one or two more scenes this season with him. Tormund and Jon's little chat was nice and well placed ahead of next season.

So yeah Mr.P's a much happier camper tonight

Gbear

bopper wrote: »

I think so yes. Hasn't she only been mentioned once back in the first season?

They had plenty of time dicking around with pointless romance scenes between Grey Worm and Missandei or the "beetles" speech.
Lack of time is no excuse in this show.
That applies to LS as well.

Some parts, I liked very much. The funeral pyre for the men of the Nights watch was poignant, as was the one for Ygritte. The scene in the tent did a job.

Stannis charge felt a bit pointless. There was about 12 wildlings there. I don't really blame them there though - I'm sure they'd have had 100k, mammoths and giants if they had the budget.

Not sure about Bran's scene. I'd imagine Jojen is dead soon in the books anyway, if he isn't already. The magic grenade things were a bit weird. Ultimately the scene did what it was supposed to, albeit without capturing the desperation of the books.

Missing a little change like "Now that's where you're wrong, Father. Why, I believe I'm you writ small." seemed pointless and it's a really good line. Mightn't have fit in with the tone they were going for but I don't think it hit the mark as it was.

Not sure what they're going to do with Brienne now. The Stoneheart storyline feels to big to leave out, so hopefully that corrects itself next season.

Not as good as the last couple of episodes but fairly good on the whole.

mrkite77

Gbear wrote: »

The magic grenade things were a bit weird.

They were horrible.. like the cheesiest special effect ever. I felt like I was watching an episode of Bewitched. Did anyone notice if the Child of the Forest twitched their nose?

Wereghost

I think we just got a taste of what GoT: the movie might be like; in fact, I wouldn't be too surprised to hear that The Children had gotten a limited cinema release. Epic and sweeping both visually and aurally. Loved the music accompanying Stannis's invasion and Arya's departure - stellar in both cases. The strains of The Rains Of Castermere in Tywin's final scene were a nice touch too.

Will miss Rory McCann - Sandor may have been "the biggest **** in the Seven Kingdoms", but McCann made him constantly watchable. Brilliant scene with Brienne, too.

The skeletons were an unexpected treat. A little goofy, but I saw it as a lovely homage to Ray Harryhausen's work.

I think Tyrion's desperate scuffle with Shae struck a good balance as compared to the book (though considering that the show had been prepared to "go there" with Oberyn's death, I had half-expected the writers to court controversy and just have him murder her outright as he does in book 3). The Tywin scene was great, but lost a little oomph by substituting Shae for Tysha as the sex worker in question, even if it did serve to redeem Tyrion somewhat.

I've heard that this episode is being submitted for consideration for this year's Emmys. Smart call; I feel like I say this every time I comment on an episode, but this one is one of the show's most impressive to date.

valor rorghulis

Really think they should have started with the tywin/cersei scene and ended with STANNIS

- like many arcs theyve been much more blatant about qyburns plans for gregor

I'm glad they left the end result with the hound identical to the books

lena headey is such a bloody troll. Shes actually more evil than cersei

also kinda think if shae was to replace tysha, tyrion should have promised to follow her to essos(and meant it)

he would have dropped everything and sansa for tysha, whereas he sent shae away, even if reluctantly so

Mickeroo

I actually thought it really was the best episode of the entire 4 seasons. Every scene was brilliant. So much feels all over the place. The last 3 episodes really have been brilliant television.

I understand the misgivings about leaving the Tysha stuff out but I thought it was pretty clear that being driven to murder Shae was why Tyrion went and killed Tywin and I'm ok with that. I liked that him and Jaimie parted on good terms.

To be honest, if Jaimie had mentioned Tysha I guarantee people who hadn't read the book would have been just like "Who the **** is Tysha?". It made more sense for the show because having Shae's death be the spark puts a face on his grief for the show watchers.

Jojen's death was unexpected but it was a good scene, and having Meera do it was very sad, even though they're far from my favourite characters. I'm not sure what the deal was with the Harryhausen skeletons as I'm pretty sure in the book they were just straight up wights, but hey it was a pretty cool bit of fantasy action anyway.

I loved Brienne and Arya's little conversation before the Hound came out. The fight was good, and the fact we didn't see old Sandor die makes me think he is actually alive as they have had no qualms about snuffing out fan theories in the past, then again they could be trolling us.

Stuff at the wall was all top notch too.

Regards LS, not bothered, it wouldn't really have fit in this season I guess. I actually would not be surprised if we don't see it until near the end of season 5. Plus it makes sense that they leave something dramatic for next season as sweet FA actually happens for the foreseeable future. This also excites me a great deal because I have a feeling they might start bringing more stuff from TWOW into play to move things along a bit.

TL:DR - Best. Episode. Ever.:pac:

bopper

Gbear wrote: »

They had plenty of time dicking around with pointless romance scenes between Grey Worm and Missandei or the "beetles" speech.
Lack of time is no excuse in this show.
That applies to LS as well.

Huh? I didn't mention anything about not having enough time.

Oranage2

Not my favourite episode, thought most scenes were very predictable, only really liked the Jon snow one with Mance.

Not too surprised about leaving LS out, we need some shock moments for the next season.

Washington Irving

I'm a bit hesitant to criticise it now lest I get lynched, but I was quite disappointed. It was a great episode from a TV only perspective but as one those people with a religious loyalty to the original material when it comes to any adaptation it really irked.

A sparse few of the 100,000 wildlings putting up a fight against Stannis, or even appearing, didn't do the books justice at all. A large portion of the wildlings are not warriors but that 'battle' was very tame. The standoff with Stannis, Davos, Mance and Jon was probably my favourite scene from the episode. No "Stannis! Stannis! Stannis!" chant but I'll let that go...

Straightforward look in to Qyburn and his plan for the Mountain. Nothing much to say here.

Wasn't too bothered with Cersei coming clean to Tywin, but didn't like Jaime going along with it in Lord Commander's chambers. That and the botched 'not-rape' scene are kinda ruining the redemption arc.

Daenarys' scene in the Meereen throneroom was fantastic. Slight change with allowing the former slave to sign a contract rather than to voluntarliy become slaves again but it shouldn't have too much of an affect on the story. The actor playing the shepherd deserves a medal or something for that performance. Chaining up of the dragons was a little too easy but was done fairly well all the same.

Jon bringing Ygritte's body north of the wall and lighting the pyre was a good close to the season for the Wall/NW.

Fight between Brienne and the Hound was brilliant if not slightly frustrating with her meeting Arya. Glad the Hound was not given 'mercy'. Cleganebowl. Get hype

The Children looked great though I was slightly disappointed Bloodraven looked so human. Didn't really have the same effect as the book (no branch through the eye socket wtf?!). Jojen getting killed by the wights seemed a bit unnecessary. Thought his eerie death in the cave was one of the more striking images from the books. COTF grenades ftw.

Tyrion's adventures and escape. Tysha, "wherever whores go", Lancel, Osmund Kettleblack, Tysha, Moone Boy for all I know, Varys on ship, Tysha. Just felt rushed. I has a sad

*waiting for Stoneheart, "oh, they're showing the retrieval of the body from the rive...oh, it's Arya", "Credits? They must be delaying it to the very end", sitting patiently with a slight heart sinking feeling, "They're not going to show it, are they?", music changes slightly, "Here it comes!". Ends. Tear slowly rolls down cheek.

Liam O

Washington Irving wrote: »

I'm a bit hesitant to criticise it now lest I get lynched, but I was quite disappointed. It was a great episode from a TV only perspective but as one those people with a religious loyalty to the original material when it comes to any adaptation it really irked.

A sparse few of the 100,000 wildlings putting up a fight against Stannis, or even appearing, didn't do the books justice at all. A large portion of the wildlings are not warriors but that 'battle' was very tame. The standoff with Stannis, Davos, Mance and Jon was probably my favourite scene from the episode. No "Stannis! Stannis! Stannis!" chant but I'll let that go...

Straightforward look in to Qyburn and his plan for the Mountain. Nothing much to say here.

Wasn't too bothered with Cersei coming clean to Tywin, but didn't like Jaime going along with it in Lord Commander's chambers. That and the botched 'not-rape' scene are kinda ruining the redemption arc.

Daenarys' scene in the Meereen throneroom was fantastic. Slight change with allowing the former slave to sign a contract rather than to voluntarliy become slaves again but it shouldn't have too much of an affect on the story. The actor playing the shepherd deserves a medal or something for that performance. Chaining up of the dragons was a little too easy but was done fairly well all the same.

Jon bringing Ygritte's body north of the wall and lighting the pyre was a good close to the season for the Wall/NW.

Fight between Brienne and the Hound was brilliant if not slightly frustrating with her meeting Arya. Glad the Hound was not given 'mercy'. Cleganebowl. Get hype

The Children looked great though I was slightly disappointed Bloodraven looked so human. Didn't really have the same effect as the book (no branch through the eye socket wtf?!). Jojen getting killed by the wights seemed a bit unnecessary. Thought his eerie death in the cave was one of the more striking images from the books. COTF grenades ftw.

Tyrion's adventures and escape. Tysha, "wherever whores go", Lancel, Osmund Kettleblack, Tysha, Moone Boy for all I know, Varys on ship, Tysha. Just felt rushed. I has a sad

*waiting for Stoneheart, "oh, they're showing the retrieval of the body from the rive...oh, it's Arya", "Credits? They must be delaying it to the very end", sitting patiently with a slight heart sinking feeling, "They're not going to show it, are they?", music changes slightly, "Here it comes!". Ends. Tear slowly rolls down cheek.

This.

Nody

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The beautiful thing about Lady Stoneheart is she is revenge personified. The North remembers and the Frey's severely wronged the Starks so now Lady Stoneheart is taking her revenge on anyone even loosely connected to Walder.

And it also shows that the magic of the fire god is not omnipotent in it's application which sets up a certain priestess nicely for a fall...

Liam McPoyle

Not even remotely disappointed that LS didnt make an appearance. She is coming so thats good enough for me, after all the huge arcs that happened in S4, S5 needs some headline grabbing events.

Didn't enjoy this episode nearly as much as the 2 previous. I dont know why, alot of it seemed kinda flat?

Arya & The Hound delivered as they have done consistently done, I liked the return of Mance but after that, everything else felt a bit rushed and that they tried to shoe horn too much into one episode resulting in it all been a bit rushed.

One thing that really annoyed me was the scene with the Mountain. I was hoping/expecting him to be screaming in agony as he was in the books instead of just lying there with a small looking wound. They also ruined it by basically telling the audience that he isnt going to die and will be "changed"

Gah, it probably seems like Im nit picking but after the 2 best episodes in the entire series to date (imo), I was left a bit under whelmed.

Mr Freeze

Thought it was a great episode....

Rory McCann should get an award for playing The Hound for that no mercy scene alone, it was brilliant.

The show writers can never say something from the books is too fantastical to include now after their magic grenade throwing child and the video game skeleton warriors. While it was a good scene (till the magic grenades), it really felt it was something from a video game with the wight/skeletons exploding out of the snow and sprinting into battle.

Very little Daenerys, always a good thing.

I thought the scenes at the wall were excellent, I would like to have seen more interaction between Jon and Stannis, but the Jon and Mance and Jon and Tormund scenes were great, and reminding me of the book versions.

I would have liked to see LS this season, if only to see a few Freys get strung up!

Daith

Mr Freeze wrote: »

The show writers can never say something from the books is too fantastical to include now after their magic grenade throwing child and the video game skeleton warriors. While it was a good scene (till the magic grenades), it really felt it was something from a video game with the wight/skeletons exploding out of the snow and sprinting into battle.

Bran's entire story is like a video game. It's the most fantasy out of all the arcs. Having said that I find zombie revival and Mountain without a head just as video gamey. I'm wondering if we will see alot of him next season.

Actually a mention that Dorne wanted the Mountains head and Qyburn being non-plussed about it would have been nice.

I like that Dany has to chain her dragons all the while being the breaker of chains. Felt sorry for the poor tykes

The only thing I disliked about the Tyrion/Tywin stuff was that it came out of nowhere and it did seem really easy for Tyrion to get to Tywins chamber. That irked me more than anything.

intellectual dosser

They also missed a trick of Tyrion chastising Tywin just as he was about to die.

"Ah, so it turns out the great Tywin Lannister doesnt **** gold afterall" <<smirk>>

Kunkka

Thought it was excellent apart from the Tyrion stuff. That was quite disappointing to be honest. Just didn't have the same feel as the books at all & it felt very rushed. Makes me think that Jaime & Tyrion aren't due to see eachother again in the books because if they were the fact they left on good terms would surely **** up that story?

The stuff with Ayra, the Hound, Brienne & Pod was a nice addition. Quite a brutal fight scene & I like how they've left it open for the Hound to still be alive like the books... lets hope we see Rory McCann again after his overall amazing portrayal of the Hound.

Dany, meh.

All the stuff at the wall & beyond were my favorite. Loved the scenes with Jon, Stannis & Thormond. Stannis is just such a boss! The Bran stuff is so far ahead but I think we may get flash back scenes next season as filler which would give show watchers a little more insight in to the history of Westeros. Imagine the battle of the Trident.... or the Tower of Joy...

I have to be honest I originally thought we wouldn't see LS at all but was convinced by you all and then Lena Hardley, damn you all! I really didn't enjoy the addition of her in the books so it didn't really bother me that much.

razorblunt

Anyone else think LS will come at the end of episode of 1 or quite possibly at the start and not be seen until mid season again?

The Purple Wedding may have set a precendent for something to happen in the earlier episodes but episode 1 will catch non book readers off guard. It will also allow them 2/3 episoded to set Dorne and it's characters up .

Nody

razorblunt wrote: »

Anyone else think LS will come at the end of episode of 1 or quite possibly at the start and not be seen until mid season again?

The Purple Wedding may have set a precendent for something to happen in the earlier episodes but episode 1 will catch non book readers off guard. It will also allow them 2/3 episoded to set Dorne and it's characters up .

If I was HBO I'd release two/three web episode clips around it to build hype or bundle it on the DVD/Blueray version for season 4 to sell them. Easy way to explain it with out taking up a full 1h episode and sets up some additional lore.

Mr Freeze

razorblunt wrote: »

Anyone else think LS will come at the end of episode of 1 or quite possibly at the start and not be seen until mid season again?

They'd hardly save it for a season 5 episode 9 shocker would they?

Cause I don't know what they are going to use for that at the moment, unless they really cut loads from book 4 and move straight to mostly book 5 plot and have have stuff from the end of that book, or possibly from the next unreleased book.

A Neurotic

Mr Freeze wrote: »

They'd hardly save it for a season 5 episode 9 shocker would they?

Cause I don't know what they are going to use for that at the moment, unless they really cut loads from book 4 and move straight to mostly book 5 plot and have have stuff from the end of that book, or possibly from the next unreleased book.

They could save it til then to be honest.

Maybe they'll set it up as a minor mystery thread running through season 5. A scene every couple of episodes showing the BWB doing their thing under orders from "the Lady". Maybe a few shots of a hooded figure whispering commands. Then episode 9 = Brienne (and the audience) get the full Lady Stoneheart reveal.

Cienciano

The only part the show missed out that annoyed me is that the mountain is supposed to be in screaming agony for a couple of weeks before Qyburn starts his work.

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Couldn't really care less about LS at this point in the books, let alone whether she appears now or next season. It's just a sideshow story at the moment. Cool but barely relevant at present.

Tyrion and Tywin was a bit weak compared to the books but it really is the time constraints letting the show down, and even then, only slightly. If they could have 12/13 episodes a season and a bigger budget it would give them more room to expand on these characters.

Because of the sheer amount of characters GRRM has put into the books, it is very difficult to include every little thing. People may come back with Grey Worm and Missendei as examples of superfluous content, but such examples are few and far between.

My biggest worry now is that I need to make a decision on whether to keep watching or wait for the books. There is very little of Bran's story left, for example, and we may fall into Night King territory a lot more next season.

Agree with all this. Not sure what's going to happen to Bran.

Mickeroo

I have a feeling that's exactly what will happen. I don't think we'll be seeing Jon's Julius Caesar bit next season so the LS reveal seems the most likely episode 9 wtf moment to me.

FunLover18

Washington Irving wrote: »

Straightforward look in to Qyburn and his plan for the Mountain. Nothing much to say here.

The Children looked great though I was slightly disappointed Bloodraven looked so human. Didn't really have the same effect as the book (no branch through the eye socket wtf?!). Jojen getting killed by the wights seemed a bit unnecessary. Thought his eerie death in the cave was one of the more striking images from the books. COTF grenades ftw.

Why wasn't Gregor screaming. For me it's some of the most powerful imagery in the books that basically in most Red Keep scenes I imagine his screams of agony in the background. Really helped get over Oberyn, knowing that the Mountain was suffering so greatly.

I agree about Bloodraven. There was a branch going through his wrist but I don't know if people would have noticed it. In my mind he's basically a rotting corpse buried in a tree. I suppose they didn't have much budget after the skeletons

celica00

I found the episode not too bad but was hoping for LS of course.
I liked the battle between Brienne and the Hound a lot! Arya was fantastic too, looking forward to the next season now

celica00

Maybe Tyrion will hook with Danaerys and he can be one of her advisors

Just saw this in the non-readers thread...they are good!

:eek:

Naux

intellectual dosser wrote: »

They also missed a trick of Tyrion chastising Tywin just as he was about to die.

"Ah, so it turns out the great Tywin Lannister doesnt **** gold afterall" <<smirk>>

Agreed, it would be kind of hard to portray a bad smell on TV though........

maybe some loud gurgling and farting noises just before Tywin dies!!!!!:D

Naux

FunLover18 wrote: »

Why wasn't Gregor screaming. For me it's some of the most powerful imagery in the books that basically in most Red Keep scenes I imagine his screams of agony in the background. Really helped get over Oberyn, knowing that the Mountain was suffering so greatly.

I agree about Bloodraven. There was a branch going through his wrist but I don't know if people would have noticed it. In my mind he's basically a rotting corpse buried in a tree. I suppose they didn't have much budget after the skeletons

Definitely the mountain not screaming was a miss by the producers. It was very powerful in the books and could have been powerful in the TV Show.

Bloodraven was OK but the skeletons on the way in were just awful IMO, why did they not just use white walkers???

Daith

Naux wrote: »

Bloodraven was OK but the skeletons on the way in were just awful IMO, why did they not just use white walkers???

They just wanted enemies that the kids could kill. Otherwise why would people be afraid of walkers?

Duckworth_Luas

Gendry will be reintroduced next season, maybe by meeting Brienne.

Later the Brotherhood arrive at Gendry's location. Thoros will explain to Gendry that Beric is dead and they have a new leader, Lady Stoneheart.

The Brotherhood capture a Frey and LSH is introduced on camera, though wearing a hood.

Episode 9, Brienne and Pod are captured, brought before LSH, hood comes off, it's Catelyn Stark Ros!

Meltdown! :cool:

Mickeroo

They could have Gendry meet Brienne and Pod alright, he could replace the other character who tags along with them in the book that I can't remember.

intellectual dosser

Oh yeah one other thing that ground my gears, Varys wouldnt be seen dead hanging around the docks the night that Tyrion escapes, kills Tywin and disappears.

Daith

intellectual dosser wrote: »

Oh yeah one other thing that ground my gears, Varys wouldnt be seen dead hanging around the docks the night that Tyrion escapes, kills Tywin and disappears.

Does it matter? In the books doesn't he disappear anyway?

Mr Freeze

Daith wrote: »

Does it matter? In the books doesn't he disappear anyway?

Once Tyrion did what he did, Varys had no choice to disappear, I don't mind that he went off on the boat!

intellectual dosser

Daith wrote: »

Does it matter? In the books doesn't he disappear anyway?

Its completely out of character for Varys, we all know what his greater plan is. He is the master of deception and executes without blemish.

As far as everyone knows in the books, he may have been involved but just disappeared. He looked weak and vulnerable in the episode.

Gbear

bopper wrote: »

Huh? I didn't mention anything about not having enough time.

Yeah, they didn't mention Tysha.
My point is that they certainly had the time to, just like they've been name-dropping the Iron Bank and Golden Company all season so we know what's going on when they appear.

rawn

There was a prefect moment a few episodes ago, when Jaime and Tyrion were talking in his cell, can't remember exactly... but Jaime mentions Tyrion's wife and I fully expected him to ask "which wife? I was married before or have you forgotten my whore wife Tysha?". He didn't say it but if he had, it would have served perfectly as a reminder to the audience of who she was, to bring up again to Jaime as he escaped. Oh well. I hope the books will eventually tell us where whores go.

Daith

intellectual dosser wrote: »

Its completely out of character for Varys, we all know what his greater plan is. He is the master of deception and executes without blemish.
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Which he did. Him being around the docks did nothing to change that.

Jesus, he must have seen how easy it was for Sansa to escape through the city undetected. The docks at night time wouldn't be an issue.

"Where were you when Tyrion escaped"
"At the docks awaiting word from my spiders"

RasTa

Seemed rushed the big scenes compared to how I felt reading the book.

Owryan

Regarding LS, we know that Roose Bolton goes to Winterfell and brings the Freys with him. I wonder if in one off the first few episodes we will be re introduced to the Freys and then have a big WTF moment when LS is introduced hanging some of them.

At least that way the viewers will have had a chance to recall the Freys and it wont be "who is she killing?"

Im glad the "penny and tyrion" stiryline appears to have been dropped I found it pretty boring and hopefully leads to jorah and tyrion joining up pretty quickly.