Season 4 Finale : HAVE read the books - spoilers possible

Sleepy

Bambi wrote: »

You're basing this on what?

Every street-fight I watched growing up, some basic martial arts training as a kid and what fights I wasn't able to talk my way out of.

Unless there's a major disparity is size, and even sometimes then, the fighter prepared to be the most savage tends to win a street-fight. Is it such a stretch to see Sandor Clegane as being more of a vicious / savage fighter than Brienne of Tarth?

Sleepy

Mickeroo wrote: »

Pretty sure the Hound got his nickname from being Joffrey's guard/lap dog all his life rather than his fighting skills.

That's true actually.

Daith

Sleepy wrote: »

Unless there's a major disparity is size, and even sometimes then, the fighter prepared to be the most savage tends to win a street-fight. Is it such a stretch to see Sandor Clegane as being more of a vicious / savage fighter than Brienne of Tarth?

Not really. I'd also assumed Brienne was picked on when she was younger from boys and had to fight them off.

As I said there's other circumstances coming into play.

Mickeroo

I think Brienne got a bit lucky, she was holding her own, could very well have won regardless but in fairness he did fall of a cliff in the end.

Mr.Prodston

podgemonster wrote: »

On top of D&D claiming this is their best episode they have also put it forward as their entry for Emmy consideration.

As much as enjoyed this solid season finale, I do feel that other episodes in the series stand out more, namely Episode 9, with episode 8 and 2 a close second.

I thought the focus at the wall, the pace and tension build in Ep 9 was excellent. The 360 shot, the fight choreography and visual effects were stunning.

Do others share this view or does it even matter as the show will just snubbed again?

I was actually thinking about that last night. Is it different for best actor etc? as for Peter Dinklage his scene in the throne room was the best performance in the show to date, all 4 seasons of it. And Pedro Pascal for support should really be a nominee so either 8 or his chat with Tyrion in the dungeon should be looked at.

As for best episode it would seem a disservice not to highlight episodes 2,6,7,8 and 9 although that's probably overkill :pac:

I have no idea how the emmy's, the nominations or whatever work so all or none of what I said could be applicable.

Liamalone

Only got to watch it today due to being out of the country. Thought it was far from great. Most of my grievances have already been discussed apart from the seemingly good health that Tywin was in on the throne, I expected him to be sweating the bit out whilst playing a merry tune from his backside yet he seemed in fine fettle.

Ah well, other than that, the stupid skeletons that were tooled up to the hilt and the poor representation of the Bloodraven were major lows for me.

GerB40

Are ye following the "Have NOT read the books" thread? It would seem they're after copping on to R+L=J.. It looks like it's genuine too, not some gobshyte who pretends not to have read the books to look clever.

Mickeroo

GerB40 wrote: »

Are ye following the "Have NOT read the books" thread? It would seem they're after copping on to R+L=J.. It looks like it's genuine too, not some gobshyte who pretends not to have read the books to look clever.

The funny thing is the theory they came out with, that Robert was Jon's father, actually kind of made sense to me when i first read it.

lynski

it was a good read alright, my oh came to the same conclusion. dark hair and bastard seems likely, but then stannis didnt recognise him so he was off again.
he also got the lord commander vibe and that cersei is going nuts.
really want him to read the books over the summer

Liam O

Mickeroo wrote: »

The funny thing is the theory they came out with, that Robert was Jon's father, actually kind of made sense to me when i first read it.

I remember reading that this was debunked at some stage. I'd like to think all of Robert's bastards aren't just red herrings though.

Naux

GerB40 wrote: »

Are ye following the "Have NOT read the books" thread? It would seem they're after copping on to R+L=J.. It looks like it's genuine too, not some gobshyte who pretends not to have read the books to look clever.

In the books I seem to remember that it says that

Rhaegar raped Lyanna

.

Maybe that is where Jon Snow came from..

Witcher

Naux wrote: »

In the books I seem to remember that it says that

Rhaegar raped Lyanna

.

Maybe that is where Jon Snow came from..

That's what Robert believed, thinking that he killed Rhaegar because of that is pretty much what kept him going over the years.

Mickeroo

Robert is the only character that ever refers to it as a rape and speaks about Rhaegar like he was a monster, everyone else who mentions Rhaegar make him sound like he was loved by everyone.

The whole Rhaegar/Lyanna/Robert triangle is a great story, shame it's only lore, would love to see it adapted somehow.

GerB40

Mickeroo wrote: »

Robert is the only character that ever refers to it as a rape and speaks about Rhaegar like he was a monster, everyone else who mentions Rhaegar make him sound like he was loved by everyone.

The whole Rhaegar/Lyanna/Robert triangle is a great story, shame it's only lore, would love to see it adapted somehow.

When the whole series is over and Jons lineage (and every other mystery is unravelled) HBO will realise what a money maker Game of Thrones was and jump at the chance to make a prequal.
There's so much there to work on. Obviously Roberts rebellion will be the main story but we'll see
1) The "kidnap" of Lyanna.
2) Ned Starks da and brother dying horrifically at the hands of the mad king.
3) The rebellion starting in earnest.
4) The great battles that ensued.
5) The mad kings ultimatum to Jamie
6) House Targaryn losing control of kings Landing.
7) Jaimes refusal to "let them all burn" and in turn becoming The Kingslayer.
8) The end of the rebellion and relative peace (for a while at least)...
9) The Tower of Joy. (It would be utter bliss to watch this).

There's at least 15 GoT quality episodes in those alone and I know too well there's plenty more to work with.
I really hope to see this.
Thoughts?
Edit: We'll also see the mad king being an utter psycho mentalist which would be cool...

podgemonster

GerB40 wrote: »

When the whole series is over and Jons lineage (and every other mystery is unravelled) HBO will realise what a money maker Game of Thrones was and jump at the chance to make a prequal.
There's so much there to work on. Obviously Roberts rebellion will be the main story but we'll see
1) The "kidnap" of Lyanna.
2) Ned Starks da and brother dying horrifically at the hands of the mad king.
3) The rebellion starting in earnest.
4) The great battles that ensued.
5) The mad kings ultimatum to Jamie
6) House Targaryn losing control of kings Landing.
7) Jaimes refusal to "let them all burn" and in turn becoming The Kingslayer.
8) The end of the rebellion and relative peace (for a while at least)...
9) The Tower of Joy. (It would be utter bliss to watch this).

There's at least 15 GoT quality episodes in those alone and I know too well there's plenty more to work with.
I really hope to see this.
Thoughts?
Edit: We'll also see the mad king being an utter psycho mentalist which would be cool...

I for one would love to see this and would watch it most definitely but allow me to play devils advocate here for awhile.

1) The series would have several expensive battle and siege scenes. The Battle of the Bells and the Trident being especially expensive. The harrenhall tourney would be pricey too.

2) 90% of the cast would be recast perhaps Selmy, Sandor, Gregor, LF, Varys, Pycelle, Cersei, Jaime and Lysa Tully could play their younger selves but for most it's a new cast while at the same time look and sound similar to the original series.

3) as this piece is only told as backstory most of the series dialogue would have to be filled by D&D which may fall flat and take alot of time

4) We already know what happens, we know who dies and when both in the series by the time it's finished and the books. The History & Lore DVD bonus stuff have covered this extensivly too

5) All these changes require more time and money which would cost HBO more than what an average extra season of GoT would cost. It took 4 years almost to get the first series off the ground

6) After 7-8 seasons the directors and crews may wish to close this masterpiece and move on to other projects

Do I want a prequel season to happen:
Oh god yes!!!!

Do I think it will happen: Probably Not

Naux

Mickeroo wrote: »

Robert is the only character that ever refers to it as a rape and speaks about Rhaegar like he was a monster, everyone else who mentions Rhaegar make him sound like he was loved by everyone.

The whole Rhaegar/Lyanna/Robert triangle is a great story, shame it's only lore, would love to see it adapted somehow.

Agreed, I'm sure the story will be revealed/confirmed somehow in the upcoming books.

RobbingBandit

Don't think Ned and Robert would have let Rhaegar keep Lyanna captive after a rape, I wonder was it consensual after he crowned her Queen of Beauty and then he took her captive upon learning that she was pregnant to save the child from Robert to whom she was betrothed as her probably would have killed the child.

Off topic a little, I came across a passage in A Dance with Dragons in one of Brans POV where he is inside a Heart Tree looking at Ned praying for Jon to be accepted as his son, or at least that is the idea I was getting.