GoT Illiterate Season 4 finale *HAVE NOT READ THE BOOKS*

Links234

Ok, I've been rewatching a bit of Season 3 and something makes me wonder about the Hound...

After winning trial by combat with Beric Dondarrion, they're releasing him and Arya protests, Beric tells her it's not their place to judge and then says "Go in peace Sandor Clegane, the lord of light isn't done with you yet" and this has me wondering about the Hound's fate, suggesting he's got some sort of destiny, so now I'm wondering if the brotherhood without banners don't stumble upon him again and revive him and he joins up with them? Not beyond the realms of possibility, but after being so sure the Mountain was a goner and I was adamant that he wasn't gonna get back up again, I'm a little hesitent to call someone's death now unless it's Oberynly obvious and we didn't actually see the Hound die, did we?

Edit: I know I've been told spoiler tags aren't nessecary for speculation from what we've seen in the show, but it's kinda habit.

Awkward Badger

Links234 wrote: »

Ok, I've been rewatching a bit of Season 3 and something makes me wonder about the Hound...

After winning trial by combat with Beric Dondarrion, they're releasing him and Arya protests, Beric tells her it's not their place to judge and then says "Go in peace Sandor Clegane, the lord of light isn't done with you yet" and this has me wondering about the Hound's fate, suggesting he's got some sort of destiny, so now I'm wondering if the brotherhood without banners don't stumble upon him again and revive him and he joins up with them? Not beyond the realms of possibility, but after being so sure the Mountain was a goner and I was adamant that he wasn't gonna get back up again, I'm a little hesitent to call someone's death now unless it's Oberynly obvious and we didn't actually see the Hound die, did we?

Edit: I know I've been told spoiler tags aren't nessecary for speculation from what we've seen in the show, but it's kinda habit.

What Beric Dondarian said I would simply take as "He didnt see fit to take you're life this time" more than "He has a job for you in future". But regardless of what else was said or done I don't think you can assume anyone is dead unless you see them die. They were only 10 miles from the bloody gates and although broken up and having a banjaxed leg the Hound was still alive and shouting (not far from whatever path they were both travelling to and from the Bloody Gates) when we last seen him.

Word would surely reach Littlefinger too from the guards that Sandor Clegane and Arya Stark were at the gates. So there is a chance he will survive.

Links234

Pugsly wrote: »

What Beric Dondarian said I would simply take as "He didnt see fit to take you're life this time" more than "He has a job for you in future".

See, that's what I thought the first time too, but now I'm half wondering if it isn't the latter? But yeah, this is just idle speculation on my part

wp_rathead

DL Saint wrote: »

So wait.....is Stannis a "Good Guy" now? Has he always been? Could it be possible that he recruits a strong wildling force and then rally up the remaining Northerners and maybe even the army of the Vale? Then you would have Stannis' Army, The Red Woman, The Golden Company, Wildling Force, Armies Loyal to the Starks, Army of the Vale (and maybe even the Tyrells) , Brotherhood without Banners Vs. Boltons and a diminishing Lannister Force...If that were the case I'd say Go team Stannis. But this is GOT so Stannis will probabaly be killed by Hodor next series or something :P

No way will Tyrells team up with Stannis after he killed Renly - plus Mace is on Council so they firmly with the Lannisters imo

I see Stannis as a good guy who has been corrupted by Red Woman..

Following is if you listen to Season 2 "History and Folklore" (available on youtube)

in regards Stannis role in Roberts Rebellion you will see he was treated badly for his loyalty with Renly getting Storms End despite the hardship Stannis went through.

wp_rathead

Haha Links "Oberynly obvious" - love it haha

Awkward Badger

wprathead wrote: »

No way will Tyrells team up with Stannis after he killed Renly - plus Mace is on Council so they firmly with the Lannisters imo

I see Stannis as a good guy who has been corrupted by Red Woman..

Following is if you listen to Season 2 "History and Folklore" (available on youtube)

in regards Stannis role in Roberts Rebellion you will see he was treated badly for his loyalty with Renly getting Storms End despite the hardship Stannis went through.

I doubt they care about Renly, he was a means to and end just as Joffrey was before they killed him and just as Tommen is now.

The only reason they wouldn't have anything to do with Stannis is because Tommen on the throne with Margaery as his queen is what they want.

Mickeroo

Pugsly wrote: »

I doubt they care about Renly, he was a means to and end just as Joffrey was before they killed him and just as Tommen is now.

Ser Loras would have a thing or two to say about that probably, though the rest of the Tyrells would agree with you I'm sure.

Awkward Badger

Mickeroo wrote: »

Ser Loras would have a thing or two to say about that probably, though the rest of the Tyrells would agree with you I'm sure.

That's true. The end Loras was after was slightly different than what the rest were after....

Links234

wprathead wrote: »

Haha Links "Oberynly obvious" - love it haha

:pac:

At this point I'm not ruling anyone deceased unless they lose their head, or otherwise get Jojen'd to smithereens. And even then I'm not ruling out a headless Ned Stark stumbling around King's Landing

wp_rathead

Mickeroo wrote: »

Ser Loras would have a thing or two to say about that probably, though the rest of the Tyrells would agree with you I'm sure.

Aye, Loras was goin on about how he would kill Stannis in season 2

Plus Mace and Stannis have history from Roberts Rebellion - all explained in the excellent "History and Folklore" on the Blu-Ray boxset, can view on youtube- really recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it

Adamocovic

Links234 wrote: »

Ok, I've been rewatching a bit of Season 3 and something makes me wonder about the Hound...

After winning trial by combat with Beric Dondarrion, they're releasing him and Arya protests, Beric tells her it's not their place to judge and then says "Go in peace Sandor Clegane, the lord of light isn't done with you yet" and this has me wondering about the Hound's fate, suggesting he's got some sort of destiny, so now I'm wondering if the brotherhood without banners don't stumble upon him again and revive him and he joins up with them? Not beyond the realms of possibility, but after being so sure the Mountain was a goner and I was adamant that he wasn't gonna get back up again, I'm a little hesitent to call someone's death now unless it's Oberynly obvious and we didn't actually see the Hound die, did we?

Edit: I know I've been told spoiler tags aren't nessecary for speculation from what we've seen in the show, but it's kinda habit.

I hope you're right! Looking back it makes sense and to be honest if that's how they leave the hound it's very poor. Not the sort of exit his character deserved.

Lothaar v2

Speaking of heirs to the throne... I've had a theory about Jon Snow since S1, when Ned Stark read through the book that specified all Baratheons as being 'black of hair'. Why did we never find out who Jon's mother is? Last time Ned and Jon spoke, Ned said he'd talk to Jon about his mother when they meet again.

I reckon Jon is the child of Robert Baratheon and Ned's sister. For some reason unknown to us, Ned didn't tell Robert (or anyone) about Jon's true parentage. He pretended Jon was his own bastard. It never really made sense that honourable Ned would father a bastard.

I've no idea what circumstances could've led to Ned pretending Jon was his bastard but I reckon it's a plot twist that will be revealed at some point in the future and maybe explained then.

I've thought this all along... but when Melisandre was staring at him during the S4 finale, I really started to believe I was right. She'll know he has king's blood, same as Gendry. Moreover, if he IS the son of Robert and Ned's sister, that would probably make him the rightful heir to the throne, which makes the whole Stannis-Jon storyline a lot more interesting.

Note: I'm not a book reader. If I happen to be right here, please don't add spoiler tags or get the pitchforks out, as that will confirm I'm right and ruin the surprise! I'm just theorising and, knowing GoT, I may well have fallen for a well-placed red herring.

golfball37

Lothaar v2 wrote: »

Speaking of heirs to the throne... I've had a theory about Jon Snow since S1, when Ned Stark read through the book that specified all Baratheons as being 'black of hair'. Why did we never find out who Jon's mother is? Last time Ned and Jon spoke, Ned said he'd talk to Jon about his mother when they meet again.

I reckon Jon is the child of Robert Baratheon and Ned's sister. For some reason unknown to us, Ned didn't tell Robert (or anyone) about Jon's true parentage. He pretended Jon was his own bastard. It never really made sense that honourable Ned would father a bastard.

I've no idea what circumstances could've led to Ned pretending Jon was his bastard but I reckon it's a plot twist that will be revealed at some point in the future and maybe explained then.

I've thought this all along... but when Melisandre was staring at him during the S4 finale, I really started to believe I was right. She'll know he has king's blood, same as Gendry. Moreover, if he IS the son of Robert and Ned's sister, that would probably make him the rightful heir to the throne, which makes the whole Stannis-Jon storyline a lot more interesting.

Note: I'm not a book reader. If I happen to be right here, please don't add spoiler tags or get the pitchforks out, as that will confirm I'm right and ruin the surprise! I'm just theorising and, knowing GoT, I may well have fallen for a well-placed red herring.

I'm not a book reader either but from watching the history and lore series I am convinced Jon Snow is the son of Neds sister alright but Rhaegar Targaryen is his father.

Awkward Badger

If he was Roberts son Ned would have told him, I don't see any reason why he'd take him as his own bastard. So he cant be Roberts son but its possible he is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. All it mentions in the show is that Robert was to marry her and Rhaegar kidnapped her which triggered the war.

Perhaps Ned thought that Robert would have him killed and couldn't see his sisters son die regardless of who his father was and took him as his own bastard.

Then again Ned was a good man so if Jon really was his sisters son he surely would have told Catelyn. She despised Jon all his life because he was Neds bastard and must have held it against Ned too. Its strange he'd allow all that to happen to keep the secret when the truth would have allowed Catelyn to accept Jon as a Stark without it being such a betrayal.

I may have a watch of the lore series though and see what actually went on before the show picks up the story.

Lemlin

Lothaar v2 wrote: »

Speaking of heirs to the throne... I've had a theory about Jon Snow since S1, when Ned Stark read through the book that specified all Baratheons as being 'black of hair'. Why did we never find out who Jon's mother is? Last time Ned and Jon spoke, Ned said he'd talk to Jon about his mother when they meet again.

I reckon Jon is the child of Robert Baratheon and Ned's sister. For some reason unknown to us, Ned didn't tell Robert (or anyone) about Jon's true parentage. He pretended Jon was his own bastard. It never really made sense that honourable Ned would father a bastard.

I've no idea what circumstances could've led to Ned pretending Jon was his bastard but I reckon it's a plot twist that will be revealed at some point in the future and maybe explained then.

I've thought this all along... but when Melisandre was staring at him during the S4 finale, I really started to believe I was right. She'll know he has king's blood, same as Gendry. Moreover, if he IS the son of Robert and Ned's sister, that would probably make him the rightful heir to the throne, which makes the whole Stannis-Jon storyline a lot more interesting.

Note: I'm not a book reader. If I happen to be right here, please don't add spoiler tags or get the pitchforks out, as that will confirm I'm right and ruin the surprise! I'm just theorising and, knowing GoT, I may well have fallen for a well-placed red herring.

I've had this theory myself for a good while and I'm not a book reader. It seems a bit too, well, happy for GoT but it seems to me that Jon is being set up to be a hero a bit like Aragorn in LoTR.

I've seen in the online videos that Ned's sister had a secret she asked him to keep before she died. I think it was Jon and he either didn't tell Robert because he wanted to protect the child or because his sister had asked him too. I think it mentioned in those videos that Lysa wasn't overly fond of Robert because he had a roving eye.

Either that or Rheagar was his father and that is why it was never revealed. Robert would have had Jon killed. The Targareyn's also allege that Lysa went of her own free will with Rhaegar.

It would certainly make sense because Ned seems too honourable to have an affair and he refuses to discuss Jon's mother with either Jon or Robert in S1.

Pugsly wrote: »

If he was Roberts son Ned would have told him, I don't see any reason why he'd take him as his own bastard. So he cant be Roberts son but its possible he is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. All it mentions in the show is that Robert was to marry her and Rhaegar kidnapped her which triggered the war.

Perhaps Ned thought that Robert would have him killed and couldn't see his sisters son die regardless of who his father was and took him as his own bastard.

Then again Ned was a good man so if Jon really was his sisters son he surely would have told Catelyn. She despised Jon all his life because he was Neds bastard and must have held it against Ned too. Its strange he'd allow all that to happen to keep the secret when the truth would have allowed Catelyn to accept Jon as a Stark without it being such a betrayal.

I may have a watch of the lore series though and see what actually went on before the show picks up the story.

The only reason I can think of for this is that Ned was trying to be honourable by keeping his sister's dying wish.

Da Shins Kelly

Jon is quite clearly being set up to be a hero, as is Bran, I think, more so than anyone else in the show. I think both of them will be there for sure at the story's conclusion. If Jon is the son of a Targareyn, it could make for interesting alliance possibilities between Daenerys and the Starks.

The aul Targareyn lad at the wall might know something about Jon. He is old enough to remember the rebellion and everything that happened back then. He could know things about Jon that Jon doesn't even know about himself.

DeVore

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Jon is quite clearly being set up to be a hero, as is Bran, I think, more so than anyone else in the show. I think both of them will be there for sure at the story's conclusion. If Jon is the son of a Targareyn, it could make for interesting alliance possibilities between Daenerys and the Starks.

The aul Targareyn lad at the wall might know something about Jon. He is old enough to remember the rebellion and everything that happened back then. He could know things about Jon that Jon doesn't even know about himself.

See, now Mance will kill Jon in the season opener next year.... and it will be all your fault.

Da Shins Kelly

I will happily shoulder the blame if Jon takes an axe to the face within the first five minutes of next season's opener.

Lothaar v2

Can someone provide a link to those videos? And are they spoiler-free? I try to avoid the entire internet when it comes to GoT.

Awkward Badger

Lothaar v2 wrote: »

Can someone provide a link to those videos? And are they spoiler-free? I try to avoid the entire internet when it comes to GoT.

This is the collection from season 1. I haven't watched it (I will shortly though) but it seems to be a history leading up to where the show or books pick up the story. But as I said I dont know what exactly is in it so watch it at your own risk and aviod the comments at all costs.

wp_rathead

Lothaar v2 wrote: »

Can someone provide a link to those videos? And are they spoiler-free? I try to avoid the entire internet when it comes to GoT.

Just youtube- "history and folk lore game of thrones"

If you can get the one where the guy has added music from the series - they are spoiler free if you up to date with show - they are on the Blu Ray boxsets of each season so they legit TV Show canon

just:
DO NOT READ THE COMMENTS

RichFTW

wprathead wrote: »

Just youtube- "history and folk lore game of thrones"

If you can get the one where the guy has added music from the series - they are spoiler free if you up to date with show - they are on the Blu Ray boxsets of each season so they legit TV Show canon

just:
DO NOT READ THE COMMENTS

I have learned this the hard way. Some amount of a-holes on youtube putting spoilers in the comments on purpose. Saw one that said Oberyn was going to die in the fight before the episode aired.

Then when he knocked the mountain down. I was thinking stupid troll trying to ruin GOT on me, Oberyn just won...oh wait, no, his head is now smashed open. Oh well.

Mickeroo

The latest thing I've seen happen with regularity is people posting game of thrones spoilers on videos that have nothing to do with show in a bid to catch people unawares. Baffling.

bluesfan

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

The aul Targareyn lad at the wall might know something about Jon. He is old enough to remember the rebellion and everything that happened back then.

He wouldn't have to be that old to remember. The rebellion toook place just 15 year before season one. There's been 4 or 5 years passage of time since then. That means any character in their mid thirtys upward probably fought in the war.

Da Shins Kelly

bluesfan wrote: »

He wouldn't have to be that old to remember. The rebellion toook place just 15 year before season one. There's been 4 or 5 years passage of time since then. That means any character in their mid thirtys upward probably fought in the war.

Well yeah, I just mean that he was around when the sh*t was hitting the fan and was part of the most powerful family before the rebellion, so he may well know a lot more than your average soldier and he may know exactly who Jon is (this providing that Jon is actually a Targareyn).

Mickeroo

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Well yeah, I just mean that he was around when the sh*t was hitting the fan and was part of the most powerful family before the rebellion, so he may well know a lot more than your average soldier and he may know exactly who Jon is (this providing that Jon is actually a Targareyn).

Aemon was already at the wall during the rebellion, he mentions what he went through during a conversation with Jon in season 1 when Jon was thinking of deserting.

Da Shins Kelly

Mickeroo wrote: »

Aemon was already at the wall during the rebellion, he mentions what he went through during a conversation with Jon in season 1 when Jon was thinking of deserting.

Oh yeah, I know. I'm just saying that given he is a living Targareyn who was alive for the rebellion, he may be aware of who Jon is, if Jon actually is a Targareyn. I'm sure he probably knows that Rhaegar took Lyanna Stark as a hostage. It just wouldn't really surprise me if he knew all along or something.

wp_rathead

Folk Lore and History WITH Music - you will be surprised how much better this makes it (also has subtitles for season 1&2)

Seasone ONE:

Season TWO:

Season THREE:

badger57

Wasn't that great imo. Not sure I'll tune in next season.

Roar

Mickeroo wrote: »

The latest thing I've seen happen with regularity is people posting game of thrones spoilers on videos that have nothing to do with show in a bid to catch people unawares. Baffling.

This has become essential

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Pepe LeFrits

Roar wrote: »

This has become essential

Youtube Comment Blocker Extension for Chrome

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Watch out for Google auto-complete too. Before I'd read the books I typed a character name into google and it added on something I really didn't want to know :mad:

conorhal

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Watch out for Google auto-complete too. Before I'd read the books I typed a character name into google and it added on something I really didn't want to know :mad:

Don't worry. At the rate that George RR Martin is writing the shoe will soon be on the other foot! I can see a lot of buuk readers desperately trying to complete the latest 15,000 page opus while show watchers threaten them with massive spoilers :pac:

kryogen

Gonna re watch the last three episodes tonight, see how they feel second time around. Some seriously good moments in there

Al Capwned

I hurt my shoulder at the weekend, so can't work for a while, so I'm starting from scratch again....
Winter is coming.....

Pepe LeFrits

kryogen wrote: »

Gonna re watch the last three episodes tonight, see how they feel second time around. Some seriously good moments in there

I re-watched the last episode there and it was basically a series of season-ender scenes. Any one of them could have had the end-credits roll follow and I would have been all "Bravo, well played sirs! etc

nxbyveromdwjpg

Lothaar v2 wrote: »

Speaking of heirs to the throne... I've had a theory about Jon Snow since S1, when Ned Stark read through the book that specified all Baratheons as being 'black of hair'. Why did we never find out who Jon's mother is? Last time Ned and Jon spoke, Ned said he'd talk to Jon about his mother when they meet again.

I reckon Jon is the child of Robert Baratheon and Ned's sister. For some reason unknown to us, Ned didn't tell Robert (or anyone) about Jon's true parentage. He pretended Jon was his own bastard. It never really made sense that honourable Ned would father a bastard.

I've no idea what circumstances could've led to Ned pretending Jon was his bastard but I reckon it's a plot twist that will be revealed at some point in the future and maybe explained then.

I've thought this all along... but when Melisandre was staring at him during the S4 finale, I really started to believe I was right. She'll know he has king's blood, same as Gendry. Moreover, if he IS the son of Robert and Ned's sister, that would probably make him the rightful heir to the throne, which makes the whole Stannis-Jon storyline a lot more interesting.

Note: I'm not a book reader. If I happen to be right here, please don't add spoiler tags or get the pitchforks out, as that will confirm I'm right and ruin the surprise! I'm just theorising and, knowing GoT, I may well have fallen for a well-placed red herring.

I just started watching again from the start and just watched S01E02 tonight, Jon leaving for the wall.

I had either completely forgotten or just not really taken it in the first time around but there will definitely be something to do with his parentage.

No one has ever seen his mother and Robert also mentions that that was apparently the only time Ned ever had an affair. Ned also says to Jon "You don't have my name, but you have my blood"... so, I guess he could be the sisters then?? Although I didn't put that together until I read that post above.

In a way I hope we're not right, if we are I won't even be reading this non-book readers thread again.

wp_rathead

Lothaar v2 wrote: »

Moreover, if he IS the son of Robert and Ned's sister, that would probably make him the rightful heir to the throne, which makes the whole Stannis-Jon storyline a lot more interesting.

He would still be a bastard though wouldn't he? Just not a Snow but either a Water or a Storm

DerekDGoldfish

Chears for those links wprathead

As someone who has been to lazy to catch up on the books it was nice to get some more background on the history of the houses etc, while there is a lot of repetition in them they are certainly worth viewing while people are waiting for the new series.

It does make make me think Roberts Rebellion would make a very interesting mini-series between normal series if HBO thought they could make enough money from it although the cost of full scale battles could be prohibitive.

GerB40

DerekDGoldfish wrote: »

Chears for those links wprathead

As someone who has been to lazy to catch up on the books it was nice to get some more background on the history of the houses etc, while there is a lot of repetition in them they are certainly worth viewing while people are waiting for the new series.

It does make make me think Roberts Rebellion would make a very interesting mini-series between normal series if HBO thought they could make enough money from it although the cost of full scale battles could be prohibitive.

Not if they spent two or three years making it like a proper movie and make it into a fifteen/twenty episode series. HBO know that after GoT is over there's still a goldmine left in the franchise with Roberts Rebellion being the main focus and I can't imagine HBO not taking full advantage if that..
It will (i really, really hope) happen.

bnt

Just finished S4, so finally it's safe to venture in to this thread. A couple of observations which could be totally wrong, but what the heck:
- I don't think Cersei will be too bothered about the death of Tywin. He was trying to marry her off, against her wishes, and send her away. The last time we saw her she was putting her foot down and saying no to Tywin. With him gone, she's pretty much free to do as she wants now, which is to stay with her son the King.
- I thought Shae turned against Tyrion because he sent her away for her safety. He'd tried doing that before by telling her she was in danger, which didn't work, so he had to dump her to get her to leave. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned ... :eek:
- A bit of circularity: the crossbow that Tyrion used to kill Tywin was made for Joffrey: crossbows normally require great strength to cock, but this one had that handle to make it easy for someone of limited strength. Such as Joffrey, who used it to torture and kill Ros when he found out she was an informant for Varys. Or Tyrion.

Witcher

bnt wrote: »

- A bit of circularity: the crossbow that Tyrion used to kill Tywin was made for Joffrey: crossbows normally require great strength to cock, but this one had that handle to make it easy for someone of limited strength. Such as Joffrey, who used it to torture and kill Ros when he found out she was an informant for Varys. Or Tyrion.

Not necessarily Joffrey's, the lever was a standard accessory to a crossbow even in real life, it's called a goat's foot. It meant it could be cocked without standing and putting your foot in the stirrup.

We saw Sam using one in ep.9.

bnt

There's a good interview with Maisie Williams on the HBO site, that goes in to detail on Arya's relationship with the Hound and the last scenes with him.

I liked this bit from the script direction:

Arya smiles. She likes this weirdo. Brienne smiles. She likes this weirdo.

So what happened? Brienne mentioned Jamie Lannister, which offended both Arya and the Hound, and that was that.

PS: the director made a point of showing us that The Hound had a compound fracture of the femur: that is not something you can just patch up yourself. Unless he gets some expert medical assistance by nightfall, he's bird food.

john987098

] on the HBO site, that goes in to detail on Arya's relationship with the Hound and the last scenes with him.

I liked this bit from the script direction:

So what happened? Brienne mentioned Jamie Lannister, which offended both Arya and the Hound, and that was that.

PS: the director made a point of showing us that The Hound had a compound fracture of the femur: that is not something you can just patch up yourself. Unless he gets some expert medical assistance by nightfall, he's bird food.[/quote]

Is there any spoilers for future seasons in the interview?

Lingua Franca

bnt wrote: »

So what happened? Brienne mentioned Jamie Lannister, which offended both Arya and the Hound, and that was that.

The Lannisters have been directly responsible for decimating the Stark family. Arya's not going to entrust herself into Brienne's hands if she's working for the Lannisters.

Awkward Badger

john987098 wrote: »

Is there any spoilers for future seasons in the interview?

No its clean..

bnt

Lingua Franca wrote: »

The Lannisters have been directly responsible for decimating the Stark family. Arya's not going to entrust herself into Brienne's hands if she's working for the Lannisters.

Oh, I know - the point is that they could have been friends, but one mention of the L-word, and it was like flicking a switch. Brienne has no loyalty to the Lannisters, and Arya didn't know about the rifts in the famlily, or that her mother had freed Jamie to try and get her back.

Santi101

Holidays from work the last 2 weeks and have had a chance to watch season 1-4 again over a few days. Have to say, enjoyed it far more the second time when i understood all the different references and characters. Id say GOT is a show best watched in bulk tbh.

On season 4, I know character killings are par for the course but disappointed if Tywin and The Hound are indeed dead. With Ygritte you felt it was the end of the storyline, even Joffrey to an extent although possibly slightly premature.

Surely they couldnt kill Tywin off in that manner haha? Most powerful man in Westeros FFS. The Hound has been a great character - great one-liners, doesnt care.

Also have to say the Bran storyline annoyed me alot less when I watched it in bulk as opposed to once a week for some reason. Even kinda liked the Samwell Tarley arc.........:pac:

Awkward Badger

Santi101 wrote: »

Holidays from work the last 2 weeks and have had a chance to watch season 1-4 again over a few days. Have to say, enjoyed it far more the second time when i understood all the different references and characters. Id say GOT is a show best watched in bulk tbh.

On season 4, I know character killings are par for the course but disappointed if Tywin and The Hound are indeed dead. With Ygritte you felt it was the end of the storyline, even Joffrey to an extent although possibly slightly premature.

Surely they couldnt kill Tywin off in that manner haha? Most powerful man in Westeros FFS. The Hound has been a great character - great one-liners, doesnt care.

Also have to say the Bran storyline annoyed me alot less when I watched it in bulk as opposed to once a week for some reason. Even kinda liked the Samwell Tarley arc.........:pac:

Twin is definitely dead, we saw him die. Took the second arrow to the heart and keeled over dead. Definitely felt like an end and resolution of a story line too between Tywin and Tyrion.

The Hound I'd say he's dead. His wounds were pretty severe. Ya never know but I'd be surprised if he wasn't dead.

Lenin Skynard

It's surprising alright but when you think about it, they still have a lot of characters they can develop. Asha, Gendry, Roose Bolton, Bolton's bastard and probably a dozen others (no spoilers, I haven't read the books).

It really feels like when they kill off central characters, you question where they'll go now. But it already happened with the Starks and Winterfell so I'd say we'll be grand.

Charles Dance really played a blinder though, my whole life I never liked him in anything as an actor but I thought he was excellent in the role of Tywin.

Santi101

Yep, exceptional performance from Charles Dance. Built for the role.

Just a shame that we lost some fantastic characters this season in The Hound, Tywin, Joffrey. Ned was a shock at the time but as for Robb and Catelynn Stark, the Red Wedding was fantastic but I felt no real attachment to either.

On the flipside it pushes the story on somewhat as Tywin was the power of the Lannisters.

Wonder where Arya can go from here too - have a feeling she may cross paths with Dany in the future.

And the two dirtiest players in the game cannot be underestimated - Varys and Baelish.

All shaping up very well.