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Germany Vs Portugal 5pm (RTE/BBC/ITV) Group G

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  • #502
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    Fudge You wrote: »
    Important matches??? Ill give you the hattrick against Saudi in 2002.
    But he has 3 goals against Argentina, one against england. Even one against Ireland in world cups.

    He is the top German goalscorer of all time.
    Overrated??? Get a grip!

    i take it you have never heard of gerd müller then…? decisive goals in european and world cup finals and all…when it really mattered…yet miro klose would be the first to admit that himself…and he has...


  • #503
    Fudge You
    Closed Accounts Posts: 978 ✭✭✭Fudge You


    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    i take it you have never heard of gerd müller then…? decisive goals in european and world cup finals and all…when it really mattered…yet miro klose would be the first to admit that himself…and he has...

    Muller was a superior player, but the fact is Klose has more goals. And important ones at world cups and euros. So therefore youre wrong.


  • #504
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    Fudge You wrote: »
    Muller was a superior player, but the fact is Klose has more goals. And important ones at world cups and euros. So therefore youre wrong.

    do we have a klose fanboy here? you clearly haven’t understood the basics, comparing goals in an 8:0 wc opener etc. to decisive goals in a wc final win and a euro final win and many more…hilarious…you know, there’s more to it than the sheer number of goals…gerd müller scored 68 goals for germany in 62 internationals (about 1.1 per match)…compare to klose’s average…müller won the world cup and the european championship with germany and was a decisive player in both…and where were klose’s goals in the 2002 final? unless klose leads germany to the title this time, he isn’t even in a league with gerd müller…having said that, i hope klose scores massively and germany wins the wc…but never mind…


  • #505
    Nerdlingr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭Nerdlingr


    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    yet none or almost none in the really important matches...totally overrated imo...

    Doesnt matter. Klose is a 'competant' striker. Which another poster said Germany hadnt got. 14 World cup goals prove that, along with his club record over the years.
    Comparing him to Muller is daft and nothing to do with the context of what we were talking about.


  • #506
    goalscoringhero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭goalscoringhero


    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    do we have a klose fanboy here? you clearly haven’t understood the basics, comparing goals in an 8:0 wc opener etc.

    Overall I think your post reads a wee bit too much like dissing Klose.
    Other posters have merely pointed out Klose's goal scoring record, which is very respectable by ratio (>0.52), and the best in total numbers, which only very few players in this day and age can match.

    That doesn't make them fan boys.

    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    to decisive goals in a wc final win and a euro final win and many more

    Why does it matter whether he scores decisive goals or earlier goals in the game? There are 11 players on the pitch and most people couldn't care less who of them scores the decisive one.


    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    …hilarious…you know, there’s more to it than the sheer number of goals…gerd müller scored 68 goals for germany in 62 internationals (about 1.1 per match)…compare to klose’s average…müller won the world cup and the european championship with germany and was a decisive player in both…

    The fact that Klose hasn't reached Mueller's ratio doesn't make Klose a considerably worse player. There are other qualities to Klose's play that Mueller never exhibited, like the high work rate off the ball, backtracking, and assist rate. The man doesn't even take penalties.

    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    and where were klose’s goals in the 2002 final?

    The limited German team of 2002 did not create a single chance during that game, except for Neuville's free kick from 40 yards that hit the post.
    A bit harsh to single out Klose for not scoring, isn't it?
    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    unless klose leads germany to the title this time, he isn’t even in a league with gerd müller

    Even if Germany should win it this time around, Klose will not be in a position to lead the team to the title. He isn't even a starting player, and the current German system isn't primarily designed to play with an upfront striker Klose style.


  • #507
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    Nerdlingr wrote: »
    Doesnt matter. Klose is a 'competant' striker. [...]
    Comparing him to Muller is daft and nothing to do with the context of what we were talking about.

    erm, who else would you compare him to when some folks call him the “greatest german striker ever” and things like that? who? miro klose is certainly a very competent striker but not “world class” in any way...yet as i said, i hope he scores like never before in this world cup...


  • #508
    Reekwind
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Reekwind


    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    erm, who else would you compare him to when some folks call him the “greatest german striker ever” and things like that?
    No one here has claimed that. I think you're tilting at windmills here. Or at the very least strawmen.


  • #509
    Nerdlingr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭Nerdlingr


    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    erm, who else would you compare him to when some folks call him the “greatest german striker ever” and things like that? who? miro klose is certainly a very competent striker but not “world class” in any way...yet as i said, i hope he scores like never before in this world cup...

    In modern day german international football there is no better striker than Miroslav Klose. Why don't you compare him to his cotemporaries?
    If folks want to call him the "greatest german striker ever" then that is another argument entirely and not what we're talking about here.
    As I said before, some other poster said Germany didnt have a competent striker. Miroslav Klose is so much more than competent.


  • #510
    TimeToShine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭TimeToShine


    Klose is past it now. 36 years old - could be a lethal impact sub if utilised correctly but expecting him to hit the heights of the last decade is a bit much.


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  • #511
    Nerdlingr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭Nerdlingr


    Anyone in here knocking Klose now no? What? Didn't think so. Germanys best striker for the last 15 years. Joint top world cup scorer. Has scored in 4 consecutive world cups. If only he were competent! :-)


  • #512
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    Nerdlingr wrote: »
    Anyone in here knocking Klose now no? What? Didn't think so. Germanys best striker for the last 15 years. Joint top world cup scorer. Has scored in 4 consecutive world cups. If only he were competent! :-)

    yes, good job by klose against ghana…now let’s see if he keeps scoring…and yes, he may well be the best german striker of the past 15 years, just not the best of all time…


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