Cork vs Limerick, Munster Hurling Final 2014, July 13th, 4pm Mod Warning Post #555

Browney7

rebs23 wrote: »

No one said anything about great supporters.
Anyway and still they go on about the venue in Limerick, bizarre stuff especially the maths bit! When was the last time 25,000 Limerick fans travelled to a game in Cork?
I don't know, its utterly infuriating, the way this keeps dragging on. You made the agreement all by yourselves and you didn't place any counter proposal on the table when it mattered and still you moan.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/sport/limerick-sport/leave-hurlers-alone-about-tickets-pleas-limerick-gaa-chief-1-6149215

Although I wasn't in Cork in 1992 for the Munster final between the teams with a clip board and clicker to count each Limerick supporter like Menace in Thurles a few weeks ago, I'd hazard a guess that there was a fair portion of Limerick supporters amongst the 48,000 attendance that day.

In 2001 I'd bet there were quite a few limerick supporters amongst the suspiciously round number attendance of 43500 against Tipperary in the Munster final.

If we look at the Munster final of 2007 there was a 48000 attendance versus Waterford. No idea how many had green on them though because it didn't stop raining that day so was unable to count them

Browney7

The_Banker wrote: »

As a Cork Supporter I have no idea why Cork people want this game to be played in Pairc Ui Squeeze?
The place is an accident waiting to happen and one more capacity crowd there is one more chance for something to go wrong.
Incompetant stewarding, farsical infrastructure and a greedy County Board all add up to a dangerous cocktail.

Instead of thanking our lucky stars that no one was killed there since 1976 we roll the dice once more and risk peoples lives.

I was there a few years back for a Cork V Tipp game with my nephew and I seriously worried for his safety. I wouldnt bring a child there to a sell out game now.

This attitude of "say goodbye to PUC" is rubbish. I was there at the big games in the 70s and the 80s and I was either too young or too stupid to see the danger then. But in my defence I was in my teens. Whats the County Boards excuse?

This game should be played in Thurles, purely from a health and safety perspective and is only being played in Cork because one man (you all know who I am talking about) decided to dig his heals in and wanted it in Cork.

As its a Munster Council gig Cork would actually make more more from it being held in Semple but then that wouldnt sate the County Secretarys ego.
The Cork players have played more in Thurles over the last few years and if they were asked (and werent afraid to speak up) they would prefer Thurles as they are more used to the pitch at this stage.

But never mind, lets roll the dice once more and hope no one is hurt.

Either way, come on Cork !

In fairness to you Banker I remember a few years ago you started a thread on PUC and many Cork people agreed with you how dangerous it was. I actually posted on the thread as well. I'm on Boards far too long!!!

Link here:
http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2055592251/1

Any way. Let's hope its a great day out for everyone and a great spectacle whatever the result!

STIG83

Cork should win this one, have a point to prove from last year.

Rightwing

STIG83 wrote: »

Cork should win this one, have a point to prove from last year.

They should, but no one fears Cork anymore. Everyone sees them as there for the taking. It will be interesting.

Zardoz

Rightwing wrote: »

Everyone sees them as there for the taking

Do they now :rolleyes:

RollOnD13th

Yes they do

RollOnD13th

Not One bit what is to fear???

Rightwing

RollOnD13th wrote: »

Not One bit what is to fear???

Failure, they've lost some final recently.

TCDStudent1

Browney7 wrote: »

In fairness to you Banker I remember a few years ago you started a thread on PUC and many Cork people agreed with you how dangerous it was. I actually posted on the thread as well. I'm on Boards far too long!!!

Link here:
http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2055592251/1

Any way. Let's hope its a great day out for everyone and a great spectacle whatever the result!

That old thread is an interesting read. What was the capcity of the stadium on that day?

Mountainlad

It's not Cork fans responsibility or fault the game is being held in Pairc Ui Chaoimh, though some are acting as though they are being accused.

The reality is in practical terms the game should not have been allowed to be held there, home and away agreement or not. 32,168 is not a sufficient capacity. Therefore, people that want to go to the game won't see it. It's pretty simple.

Those people are entitled to see the game. I would like to go see the minors, would doubt I would be able to now. While I think priority should be (and is on the basis of ticket allocation) given to those in the Senior final, am I not entitled to go to the Munster Final? The stadium is terrible, and that's why it's being redeveloped. It wasn't fit to hold games there before, it isn't now, and not only that but it will also deprive people from attending. How can anyone argue that it should be held their?


The fault does not lie with Cork fans, not even with the County Board, it is the Munster Council's fault and a shameful indictment of them that this has been allowed happen. A pity that this should take up the discussion in what will no doubt be a very good game between two of the best teams in the Country.

Figsy32

Mountainlad wrote: »

It's not Cork fans responsibility or fault the game is being held in Pairc Ui Chaoimh, though some are acting as though they are being accused.

The reality is in practical terms the game should not have been allowed to be held there, home and away agreement or not. 32,168 is not a sufficient capacity. Therefore, people that want to go to the game won't see it. It's pretty simple.

Those people are entitled to see the game. I would like to go see the minors, would doubt I would be able to now. While I think priority should be (and is on the basis of ticket allocation) given to those in the Senior final, am I not entitled to go to the Munster Final? The stadium is terrible, and that's why it's being redeveloped. It wasn't fit to hold games there before, it isn't now, and not only that but it will also deprive people from attending. How can anyone argue that it should be held their?


The fault does not lie with Cork fans, not even with the County Board, it is the Munster Council's fault and a shameful indictment of them that this has been allowed happen. A pity that this should take up the discussion in what will no doubt be a very good game between two of the best teams in the Country.

As a Cork fan who'll get a ticket I'm selfishly delighted with the outcome but this post is 100% spot on.

menace404

Figsy32 wrote: »

As a Cork fan who'll get a ticket I'm selfishly delighted with the outcome but this post is 100% spot on.

Isn't the game on tv!! And RTE 2 HD no less. Everyone can watch it.

Rightwing

Mountainlad wrote: »

It's not Cork fans responsibility or fault the game is being held in Pairc Ui Chaoimh, though some are acting as though they are being accused.

The reality is in practical terms the game should not have been allowed to be held there, home and away agreement or not. 32,168 is not a sufficient capacity. Therefore, people that want to go to the game won't see it. It's pretty simple.

Those people are entitled to see the game. I would like to go see the minors, would doubt I would be able to now. While I think priority should be (and is on the basis of ticket allocation) given to those in the Senior final, am I not entitled to go to the Munster Final? The stadium is terrible, and that's why it's being redeveloped. It wasn't fit to hold games there before, it isn't now, and not only that but it will also deprive people from attending. How can anyone argue that it should be held their?


The fault does not lie with Cork fans, not even with the County Board, it is the Munster Council's fault and a shameful indictment of them that this has been allowed happen. A pity that this should take up the discussion in what will no doubt be a very good game between two of the best teams in the Country.

Exactly. I was very impressed with waterford minors in last years munster final, so much so that even though we did a number on them I betted they'd win the All Ireland. This final should be on in a bigger ground so as many as possible can see the game.

What myself and others are complaining about are some cork punters trying to blame Limerick, as if we gave them a sh^t stadium. Seems to me they are trying to build up a siege mentality down there.

rebs23

Mountainlad wrote: »

It's not Cork fans responsibility or fault the game is being held in Pairc Ui Chaoimh, though some are acting as though they are being accused.

The reality is in practical terms the game should not have been allowed to be held there, home and away agreement or not. 32,168 is not a sufficient capacity. Therefore, people that want to go to the game won't see it. It's pretty simple.

Those people are entitled to see the game. I would like to go see the minors, would doubt I would be able to now. While I think priority should be (and is on the basis of ticket allocation) given to those in the Senior final, am I not entitled to go to the Munster Final? The stadium is terrible, and that's why it's being redeveloped. It wasn't fit to hold games there before, it isn't now, and not only that but it will also deprive people from attending. How can anyone argue that it should be held their?


The fault does not lie with Cork fans, not even with the County Board, it is the Munster Council's fault and a shameful indictment of them that this has been allowed happen. A pity that this should take up the discussion in what will no doubt be a very good game between two of the best teams in the Country.

Even in it's present condition most Cork fans want the Munster Finals played there for all sorts of reasons including a lot of emotional issues that may have little to do with practicality. Sometimes that's sport, its more emotion or sentiment than logic or praticality.
We know its a mess of a stadium, its due for redevelopment soon but with proper stewarding and greater access and egress due to the Cork County Board now owning all the land around the stadium a capacity of up to 40,000 should not be a problem. We'll see what the final capacity will be but its likely to be between 35-40k.
In relation to fans missing out on big games I can remember many times down the years when Cork fans were left without tickets for big games because games were held in stadiums that could not accommodate all the fans that wanted to attend. That happens all the time. Their is no entitlement to attend a match. I don't mean to sound arrogant but we are lucky that we are a relatively successful county in GAA terms and I suppose we are used to having to travel, used to the ticket scramble,used to the traffic jams, used to having to go to stadiums that are awkward for us to get to and on occasion used to missing out on going to matches because we can't get a ticket. That is part and parcel of being a sports fan.
PUC for my generation of Cork fans means a lot to us for reasons I have explained earlier, it was a place year in year out on a consistent basis over several decades where there was a terrace culture in the GAA, our kop if you like. We were/are the only county outside of Dublin that has that culture over the last few decades. So yes we want to give the place a send off and hopefully on the right note, eventhough I have my doubts about the result. If that means a reduced capacity for H&S reasons so be it.
Kerry and Limerick entered into an agreement with us on home and away arrangements. They did not make any counter proposals at the Munster Council and accepted the venue.

rebs23

Rightwing wrote: »

Exactly. I was very impressed with waterford minors in last years munster final, so much so that even though we did a number on them I betted they'd win the All Ireland. This final should be on in a bigger ground so as many as possible can see the game.

What myself and others are complaining about are some cork punters trying to blame Limerick, as if we gave them a sh^t stadium. Seems to me they are trying to build up a siege mentality down there.

Limerick made the agreement to travel to Cork, they did not make any counter proposal at the Munster Council. Limerick could have broken the agreement last year but they chose not to. For the last few weeks we have had many comments in the Limerick press and from others in Limerick GAA moaning about the venue and making gross exaggerations about the number of Limerick fans that may miss out on a game. I doubt it Limerick have taken more than 15-20k fans to PUC ever. Many more Cork fans will miss out because of the reduced capacity than Limerick fans but most of us accept that for reasons explained earlier.
The bottom line is that Limerick made an agreement that they now want to break and are consistently moaning about the agreement that they made freely themselves.
In any walk of life if you attempt to walk away from an agreement or break an agreement, it is going to leave a sour taste with the other party, hence a lot of Cork fans feeling very annoyed at the way this is being reported about an commented on by some in Limerick.
If Limerick come across badly in this it is because anyone who tries to break an agreement and moans about the agreement they make, always comes across badly.

Rightwing

rebs23 wrote: »

Limerick made the agreement to travel to Cork, they did not make any counter proposal at the Munster Council. Limerick could have broken the agreement last year but they chose not to. For the last few weeks we have had many comments in the Limerick press and from others in Limerick GAA moaning about the venue and making gross exaggerations about the number of Limerick fans that may miss out on a game. I doubt it Limerick have taken more than 15-20k fans to PUC ever. Many more Cork fans will miss out because of the reduced capacity than Limerick fans but most of us accept that for reasons explained earlier.
The bottom line is that Limerick made an agreement that they now want to break and are consistently moaning about the agreement that they made freely themselves.
In any walk of life if you attempt to walk away from an agreement or break an agreement, it is going to leave a sour taste with the other party, hence a lot of Cork fans feeling very annoyed at the way this is being reported about an commented on by some in Limerick.
If Limerick come across badly in this it is because anyone who tries to break an agreement and moans about the agreement they make, always comes across badly.

Why would they break it last year ? Everyone who wanted to go that game could have done so. Does that apply this year? No. Those are the facts.

Everything else is hyperbole.

rebs23

Rightwing wrote: »

Why would they break it last year ? Everyone who wanted to go that game could have done so. Does that apply this year? No. Those are the facts.

Everything else is hyperbole.

Making an agreement is not hyperbole. You made the agreement and your County Board are sticking with the agreement. Shock horror in sport, not everyone who wants to go to a game can get to a game! Not that many genuine fans are going to miss out with a capacity of between 35-40k

Rightwing

rebs23 wrote: »

Making an agreement is not hyperbole. You made the agreement and your County Board are sticking with the agreement. Shock horror in sport, not everyone who wants to go to a game can get to a game! Not that many genuine fans are going to miss out with a capacity of between 35-40k

I agree. I was shocked at how few Cork supporters were at last years Munster final. Once the attendance is 35,000 or over, I don't see a problem.

rebs23

Rightwing wrote: »

I agree. I was shocked at how few Cork supporters were at last years Munster final. Once the attendance is 35,000 or over, I don't see a problem.

Now you're just being provocative and changing the argument back to some childish notion you have about Limerick having somehow more Hurling supporters than Cork. Not many genuine fans will miss out as a result of the agreement you made.

Rightwing

rebs23 wrote: »

Now you're just being provocative and changing the argument back to some childish notion you have about Limerick having somehow more Hurling supporters than Cork. Not many genuine fans will miss out as a result of the agreement you made.

Nonsense.

My point is, fans won't travel in great numbers to a munster final anymore. Those days are over. Cork proved that last year. Attendances have been down for quite some time regardless of who is playing. The restricted attendance will affect cork people more than Limerick, that's why I wasn't in agreement with the Limerick GAA. If the stadium wasn't up to scratch, they would be right to question it's suitability, but once it goes over 35,000, there isn't much of a problem.

Vanolder

Cork by 8.

RollOnD13th

Cork will have 8 more fans at the game is it you mean?

Lester Freamon

Rightwing wrote: »

Nonsense.

My point is, fans won't travel in great numbers to a munster final anymore. Those days are over. Cork proved that last year. Attendances have been down for quite some time regardless of who is playing. The restricted attendance will affect cork people more than Limerick, that's why I wasn't in agreement with the Limerick GAA. If the stadium wasn't up to scratch, they would be right to question it's suitability, but once it goes over 35,000, there isn't much of a problem.

Unless there is a serious accident of course (a miracle it has not happened already)

Rightwing

Lester Freamon wrote: »

Unless there is a serious accident of course (a miracle it has not happened already)

Good point.

There's a lot of football played down there, but i don't know what type of attendances they get for those games.

Mountainlad

rebs23 wrote: »

Even in it's present condition most Cork fans want the Munster Finals played there for all sorts of reasons including a lot of emotional issues that may have little to do with practicality. Sometimes that's sport, its more emotion or sentiment than logic or praticality.
We know its a mess of a stadium, its due for redevelopment soon but with proper stewarding and greater access and egress due to the Cork County Board now owning all the land around the stadium a capacity of up to 40,000 should not be a problem. We'll see what the final capacity will be but its likely to be between 35-40k.
In relation to fans missing out on big games I can remember many times down the years when Cork fans were left without tickets for big games because games were held in stadiums that could not accommodate all the fans that wanted to attend. That happens all the time. Their is no entitlement to attend a match. I don't mean to sound arrogant but we are lucky that we are a relatively successful county in GAA terms and I suppose we are used to having to travel, used to the ticket scramble,used to the traffic jams, used to having to go to stadiums that are awkward for us to get to and on occasion used to missing out on going to matches because we can't get a ticket. That is part and parcel of being a sports fan.
PUC for my generation of Cork fans means a lot to us for reasons I have explained earlier, it was a place year in year out on a consistent basis over several decades where there was a terrace culture in the GAA, our kop if you like. We were/are the only county outside of Dublin that has that culture over the last few decades. So yes we want to give the place a send off and hopefully on the right note, eventhough I have my doubts about the result. If that means a reduced capacity for H&S reasons so be it.
Kerry and Limerick entered into an agreement with us on home and away arrangements. They did not make any counter proposals at the Munster Council and accepted the venue.

While Cork fans are not to blame for the decision in hosting the game their, Cork fans wanting the game in Cork is not a justification for it to be held there when it is unsuitable. The Munster council have stated an official capacity of 32,168 and I seriously doubt it is going to be more than that.

What are the reasons for the reduced capacity? Is it that it's been recognized that the stadium doesn't actually facilitate it's official capacity or is it a reduction due to work already in progress on the Stadium?

citykat

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/okeeffe-cant-understand-apathy-of-cork-kerry-fans-274310.html

Looks like PUC has enough capacity for the football. Go figure...

Orizio

Go figure what.

rebs23

Mountainlad wrote: »

While Cork fans are not to blame for the decision in hosting the game their, Cork fans wanting the game in Cork is not a justification for it to be held there when it is unsuitable. The Munster council have stated an official capacity of 32,168 and I seriously doubt it is going to be more than that.

What are the reasons for the reduced capacity? Is it that it's been recognized that the stadium doesn't actually facilitate it's official capacity or is it a reduction due to work already in progress on the Stadium?

don't really understand what point you are trying to make. The reason the game is being played in PUC is because there is an agreement to play it there?capacity issues alone have never in the past determined where a game is played, so should we in the future select the venue based on capacity alone?

Lester Freamon

rebs23 wrote: »

don't really understand what point you are trying to make. The reason the game is being played in PUC is because there is an agreement to play it there?capacity issues alone have never in the past determined where a game is played, so should we in the future select the venue based on capacity alone?

Bullsh*t

Why do you think Cusack Park in Ennis or Walsh Park in Waterford have not held a Munster Final in modern times?

Rightwing

Orizio wrote: »

Go figure what.

Maybe Kerry don't have all that many fans, and cork either

rebs23

Lester Freamon wrote: »

Bullsh*t

Why do you think Cusack Park in Ennis or Walsh Park in Waterford have not held a Munster Final in modern times?

Within reason, the debate is about PUC.

menace404

Just received confirmation of my Munster Hurling final ticket.
€30 for the uncovered stand
€5 for the juvenile in our group.

Amazed with the juvenile price as I thought he would get charge the full adult price seeing as no family tickets were being given to the clubs.
They even heeded my request for seating in the uncovered stand.....fantastic.

NO 'BRING A FRIEND' OPTION AVAILABLE FOR THIS FIXTURE HOWEVER.

Lester Freamon

rebs23 wrote: »

Within reason, the debate is about PUC.

Well......you seemed to be speaking in very generic terms to me :rolleyes:

Orizio

Rightwing wrote: »

Maybe Kerry don't have all that many fans, and cork either

Maybe, but unlikely, Kerry and Cork have more fans than most statistically.

mickmackey1

menace404 wrote: »

Just received confirmation of my Munster Hurling final ticket.
€30 for the uncovered stand
€5 for the juvenile in our group.

Amazed with the juvenile price as I thought he would get charge the full adult price seeing as no family tickets were being given to the clubs.
They even heeded my request for seating in the uncovered stand.....fantastic.

Stop rubbing it in would ya

Rightwing

Orizio wrote: »

Maybe, but unlikely, Kerry and Cork have more fans than most statistically.

They are known to travel in good numbers for a final in september alright.

ShamoBuc

Rightwing wrote: »

They are known to travel in good numbers for a final in september alright.

I think you'll find that will happen to any county that gets to a final.

Rightwing

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I think you'll find that will happen to any county that gets to a final.

Apart from Kilkenny & Offaly. Easy to get tickets when they are in a final.

Toblerone1978

Must be due to Cork having 5.5 times population of Kilkenny.

It's probably also the reason why Cork people are deluded about being the best supporters in Ireland (while conviently ignoring that the Dubs constantly sell out Croke Park).

Mountainlad

rebs23 wrote: »

don't really understand what point you are trying to make. The reason the game is being played in PUC is because there is an agreement to play it there?capacity issues alone have never in the past determined where a game is played, so should we in the future select the venue based on capacity alone?

It's the reason Croke Park gets all the All-Ireland finals and Dublin matches.

I think the primary reason is that it satisfies demand so that fans aren't disappointed. It shouldn't have to be a fact that sometimes you can't get tickets when there is a a very much viable alternative.

As a matter of interest, can you name a few (and I mean a few now not one) of these games that you didn't get tickets for due to none being available?

Straight Talker

Toblerone1978 wrote: »

Must be due to Cork having 5.5 times population of Kilkenny.

It's probably also the reason why Cork people are deluded about being the best supporters in Ireland (while conviently ignoring that the Dubs constantly sell out Croke Park).

Unlike the Dubs at least we can make it into the ground on time.;) Of course the Dubs also don't have to face the traveling expenses that we put up with.It's hilarious listening to supporters who's counties rarely make it to Croke Park in September moaning about us and b!tching about us not selling out the ground in first round matches!It's not easy on the wallet supporting a county that's get's to the latter of stages of both senior championships every year but i wouldn't have it any other way and please god we'll shove the two fingers up at the begrudgers on here by bringing home the munster cup.Rebels Abu and to hell with everyone else.;)

ShamoBuc

Rightwing wrote: »

Apart from Kilkenny & Offaly. Easy to get tickets when they are in a final.

They both travel in good numbers also.

ShamoBuc

Toblerone1978 wrote: »

Must be due to Cork having 5.5 times population of Kilkenny.

It's probably also the reason why Cork people are deluded about being the best supporters in Ireland (while conviently ignoring that the Dubs constantly sell out Croke Park).

We are not deluded at all;)

A million Dubs sellout Croker ( on their own of course) wow, they must be the best supporters in the world so. Also, its hardly constantly! The hill was only half full the last few times Dublin played at home.

citykat

Orizio wrote: »

Go figure what.

Well, I know Gaelic is a snorefest but I thought there'd be more 'genuine' fans between the counties. That's what I figure.

rebs23

Mountainlad wrote: »

It's the reason Croke Park gets all the All-Ireland finals and Dublin matches.

I think the primary reason is that it satisfies demand so that fans aren't disappointed. It shouldn't have to be a fact that sometimes you can't get tickets when there is a a very much viable alternative.

As a matter of interest, can you name a few (and I mean a few now not one) of these games that you didn't get tickets for due to none being available?

Ah come . Are you honestly saying there have never been matches over the years where cork fans couldn't get to tickets to?
No viable alternative was ever formally proposed, not that there could be one when an agreement already exists.

rebs23

Toblerone1978 wrote: »

Must be due to Cork having 5.5 times population of Kilkenny.

It's probably also the reason why Cork people are deluded about being the best supporters in Ireland (while conviently ignoring that the Dubs constantly sell out Croke Park).

Don't think any of us are claiming we're the best but we certainly have travelled a lot in large numbers over the years.
Ah yes the dubs well it's hardly surprising the county with the largest population sell out their home ground where all their big matches are played, now is it?
I'll say this much for the dubs, at least you can a good old banter with them.

Orizio

I must be going insane, but is a Kilkenny person complaining about the lack of support Kerry/Cork fans give their footballers...? Am I in the twilight zone or something?

rebs23

Orizio wrote: »

I must be going insane, but is a Kilkenny person complaining about the lack of support Kerry/Cork fans give their footballers...? Am I in the twilight zone or something?

Go back the last few pages and you'll notice you have entered a parallel universe where there is no logic, no agreements apply and delusion reigns supreme.

Realt Dearg Sec

Is there a match on that day or will 32000people be sowing up to discuss the merits of the stadium?

Realt Dearg Sec

Is there a match on that day or will 32000people be sowing up to discuss the merits of the stadium?