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Today I saw a classic and took a pic thread! Part 2
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Do you like mine then?
'87 190E 2.6 petrol auto
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Do you like mine then?
'87 190E 2.6 petrol auto
Looks Great.
I have a 1988 and a 1993 and I am contemplating putting ZV plates on but I think the numbers might be too high and look sh1te, also want to change the plates to silver digits on black plates as above.
Would I get away with the black plates on both cars or just the 88 D?0 -
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@ Dades - great cars, but as with all youngtimers, it's a matter of getting a good 'un to begin with - sure you know that yourself already
I had a '92 auto for a couple of years, ran as a daily driver. Irish car from new, c.120K on the clock when I got it.
I'd have another one in a shot. Comfy compact cruiser, with that re-assuring 'thunk' when you close the door. If you can get one with MB-Tex or leather, its a nice place to be. Interiors can be Spartan unless you go high up the food chain.
Engines & transmissions are fairly robust, bodywork & trim can give you issues. They can rust on the wings, but also boot wheel wells, and around the rear screen.
Mine didn't have a sunroof, but it should of course be checked along with the drain points.
Jacking points can rust too, bonus if the car comes with the plastic cover caps - I like to think that if these are present it gives you an idea that the car has been minded
Subframe mounts are another area to check - sure you can drive it into the ground, but I get the feeling you're after something more longterm.
Suspension front & rear - check for the usual clonks.
Doorcards, particularly on the rear, can lift and look ungainly - can be fixed - hell, I did it on mine, so it can't be to difficult! The MB190 club is a great source of help (www.mercedes-190.co.uk )
this site is also worth checking - the guy specialises in MBs, particularly low mile W201 & W124s - prices are high, but quality baby - ( www.mtsv.co.uk ) 0 -
Thanks lads. Perhaps I mistakenly thought their robust reputation meant rust wasn't a real concern. Sounds like it is the main concern!
If I was to consider one, it would be with a view to not having it up on ramp following every NCT. I have that already and it's not fun.
I'd imagine any NCT'd 190 for sale in Ireland (and I wouldn't touch an Irish car without one) is asking silly money.
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@ Dades - great cars, but as with all youngtimers, it's a matter of getting a good 'un to begin with - sure you know that yourself already
I had a '92 auto for a couple of years, ran as a daily driver. Irish car from new, c.120K on the clock when I got it.
I'd have another one in a shot. Comfy compact cruiser, with that re-assuring 'thunk' when you close the door. If you can get one with MB-Tex or leather, its a nice place to be. Interiors can be Spartan unless you go high up the food chain.
Engines & transmissions are fairly robust, bodywork & trim can give you issues. They can rust on the wings, but also boot wheel wells, and around the rear screen.
Mine didn't have a sunroof, but it should of course be checked along with the drain points.
Jacking points can rust too, bonus if the car comes with the plastic cover caps - I like to think that if these are present it gives you an idea that the car has been minded
Subframe mounts are another area to check - sure you can drive it into the ground, but I get the feeling you're after something more longterm.
Suspension front & rear - check for the usual clonks.
Doorcards, particularly on the rear, can lift and look ungainly - can be fixed - hell, I did it on mine, so it can't be to difficult! The MB190 club is a great source of help (www.mercedes-190.co.uk )
this site is also worth checking - the guy specialises in MBs, particularly low mile W201 & W124s - prices are high, but quality baby - ( www.mtsv.co.uk )
All good points, I've bought from Mark Taylor in the past, a W124 estate (S142), and his descriptions are accurate. He's not cheap but you get what you pay for. Mine came via Cheshire Classic Benz who make MTSV look cheap!!
I'll also point you to a previous post of mine from last year, number 172, on this thread where running one as a daily is discussed. I've since had to replace suspension springs as one snapped, best to replace in pairs, but I changed all 4 for a H&R set which lowered the car by about 40mm. The very early cars ride quite high and the 40mm drop brings them down to Sportline spec level and improves handling hugely without affecting comfort at all. Cost about €700 inc parts and labour.I've had my 1984 2.0E automatic for 7 years now and I'd say you'll easily cover annual maintenance with €800 per year, probably a lot less in fact. But only if you buy a good one to start with, and good ones are not common and not cheap. You'll see some for sale for €1000, they're VERY unlikely to be in good condition. My annual service is usually less than €200, I use Lichtenberg Classics whom I can highly recommend. I've replaced some ancillaries over the years before they're failed - alternator, wiper motor, window regulators. Good quality parts are surprisingly cheap so use them, don't buy cheap parts from GSF etc.
Mine is just back from its annual service which this time cost €600 as it included brake lines, anti-roll bar bushing and new engine mounts. Biggest bill I've ever had for it but known beforehand and mostly for parts that needed replacing due to age. Some other costs...- Full set of Michelin tyres, about €500, but these will last many years. Don't buy cheap tyres, ever!
- New battery last week, €106, previous one lasted 6 years.
- Insurance is about €150 with First Ireland, based on 2000 miles but they do higher mileage policies.
- Tax is €56 as mine is 1984
- NCT costs whatever it costs, I'm happy to pay it as I see it as a cheap safety check.
- Depreciation is zero, if you buy a good one!
If you can find a rust free one its worth getting it professionally undersealed, but only if rust free. I had mine done just after buying it and its still sound despite the best efforts of the NCT man and his rubber hammer.
I use mine as my daily driver in the winter and at weekends for the rest of the year and its never failed to start or let me down. It lives in the driveway under a cover the rest of the time (only buy a good quality cover). In city centre stop/start traffic I get early 20's MPG, probably bettered by modern cars but not by much if you compare a 2.0 petrol automatic. I bought mine in the UK with 34k miles and it now has 45k miles, all trouble free. It's extremely reliable, comfortable, and surprisingly nippy if you want it to be!
Oh, and I've just replaced the radio with a Sony unit with Bluetooth that enables hands-free calling and music streaming.
Sounds like you're looking for my car :eek:
More photos here if you want to waste a few minutes:
Mercedes 190E Photos
Photos are from a few years ago but its still the same apart from the plates are now silver on black pressed metal.
Good luck with your search and PM me or ask here if you need any more info on living with a 190E.0 -
If I was to consider one, it would be with a view to not having it up on ramp following every NCT.
I don't think it would be that bad. Once an area is sorted and treated, it should be good for many years to come, even if you don't have a garage to store the car in (you and me both)
A car that has spent the last 30+ years in the UK will have rust, that's just a fact of life. If you found an original Irish W201, chances are it would be less rusty. But there aren't many of them and if you find one it's going to be a Paddy spec diesel or a carburetted petrol 4-pot manual
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What was the issue that required that amount of welding.
How far back did the brake lines have to go.
Brake lines - all the way really. And into the engine bay. Collected the car today and the mechanic insisted on lifting the car so he could show me
Welding - car failed NCT on one side of one sill. But when my welder had a closer look and started cutting away the steel, there were other areas under the rear seat and near the sill and jack point that needed replacing. A 30 year old car deserves a little bit of money spent on it to make it last another good few years imho.My ads on adverts.ie
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