Grain price.

GRASSorMUCK · 11-07-2014 10:11pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Offered €156/ton for new crop wheat this morning to meet all the specs and over 11.6% protein.

Movement straight off combine?! been offered 140£ for feed move by 1st sept to go on a boat. Millings at a 25£ bonus depending on protein.

sheebadog · 11-07-2014 11:26pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Movement straight off combine?! been offered 140£ for feed move by 1st sept to go on a boat. Millings at a 25£ bonus depending on protein.

Yea that's a spot price.
What proteins and hags for milling?

GRASSorMUCK · 12-07-2014 12:06am

sheebadog wrote: »

Yea that's a spot price.
What proteins and hags for milling?

Standard Fn +225
-2% admix
-15%moisture
12% protein
Pass myco-toxins
Grain assurance scheme for farm, seed, etc..
Can have other measures depends on the buyer realy and your relationship. Last year we sold all our Beans at 15-18%Didn't dry them as buyer needed them to make a load up for a boat, 'was lost over the heap'..:rolleyes: Then again beans are less likely to develope myco-toxins etc.

Protein/hags have bonuses/penalties depending on where they fall and other grain available in buyers rounds etc.. Depends on if they can blend yours or need to blend in higher quality stuff and the cost to do so.

sheebadog · 12-07-2014 12:24am

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Standard Fn +225
-2% admix
-15%moisture
12% protein
Pass myco-toxins
Grain assurance scheme for farm, seed, etc..
Can have other measures depends on the buyer realy and your relationship. Last year we sold all our Beans at 15-18%Didn't dry them as buyer needed them to make a load up for a boat, 'was lost over the heap'..:rolleyes: Then again beans are less likely to develope myco-toxins etc.

Protein/hags have bonuses/penalties depending on where they fall and other grain available in buyers rounds etc.. Depends on if they can blend yours or need to blend in higher quality stuff and the cost to do so.

Yep on the ball. You develop a relationship with buyers and know where to "fall in".
How do you get proteins over 12% ? Pm if you want.
Beans I have found are preferred around the 16-18% mark by millers as they can crimp rather than roll. Gives coarse ration a nice "look" with beans included that resemble corn flakes.

conor t · 12-07-2014 10:40am

@sheeba have you any offers on soya for the last week or so, falling back sharply on the futures

sheebadog · 12-07-2014 11:43am

conor t wrote: »

@sheeba have you any offers on soya for the last week or so, falling back sharply on the futures

No hard prices here on soya ATM.
Bastille day long weekend so nothing will happen here now for 10 days!

GRASSorMUCK · 12-07-2014 1:58pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Yep on the ball. You develop a relationship with buyers and know where to "fall in".
How do you get proteins over 12% ? Pm if you want.
Beans I have found are preferred around the 16-18% mark by millers as they can crimp rather than roll. Gives coarse ration a nice "look" with beans included that resemble corn flakes.

Only grow milling wheat after beans or go

sheebadog wrote: »

Yep on the ball. You develop a relationship with buyers and know where to "fall in".
How do you get proteins over 12% ? Pm if you want.
Beans I have found are preferred around the 16-18% mark by millers as they can crimp rather than roll. Gives coarse ration a nice "look" with beans included that resemble corn flakes.

Only grow milling wheat after beans or going forward red clover swards unless received muck previous year and where would expect not too bad BG, then have vari- rate p/k/seed rate to grow to a stand and help eliminate variation.. Use a lot of urea as gives more constant N rather than a huge shot of N in An can use 4/5 splits depending on field as not weather dependant as use liquid. Don't focus on yield as much use later N split usually if needed can raise by .5% or I find but as last split of urea went on mid/late May I carried through til June and crops were abit forward by then

sheebadog · 12-07-2014 5:30pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Only grow milling wheat after beans or go
Only grow milling wheat after beans or going forward red clover swards unless received muck previous year and where would expect not too bad BG, then have vari- rate p/k/seed rate to grow to a stand and help eliminate variation.. Use a lot of urea as gives more constant N rather than a huge shot of N in An can use 4/5 splits depending on field as not weather dependant as use liquid. Don't focus on yield as much use later N split usually if needed can raise by .5% or I find but as last split of urea went on mid/late May I carried through til June and crops were abit forward by then

Interesting. Not allowed p + k but never any variation. I use AN granulated to 60 units/acre in total.
Every time the sprayer goes on I add 2 to 4 kg/ha of urea. I think that it aids penetration and efficiency of Chems.
I don't include any urea at flag leaf spray, but every other time it's included. Just add prills to induction hopper.
Finally it gets a final spray of liquid urea just after flowering.
I can get proteins to 12.5 easy enough but finding it hard to go 13+.
13+ is where the money's at.
Ever try growing hard red?

Greengrass1 · 12-07-2014 5:42pm

Talking to my fert rep last week and he says his company are after developing a phosphorus product for tillage operations.
He says it'd in a veil and only let's out so much P every week and closes back up.
Soulds interesting

larrymiller · 12-07-2014 5:43pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Interesting. Not allowed p + k but never any variation. I use AN granulated to 60 units/acre in total.
Every time the sprayer goes on I add 2 to 4 kg/ha of urea. I think that it aids penetration and efficiency of Chems.
I don't include any urea at flag leaf spray, but every other time it's included. Just add prills to induction hopper.
Finally it gets a final spray of liquid urea just after flowering.
I can get proteins to 12.5 easy enough but finding it hard to go 13+.
13+ is where the money's at.
Ever try growing hard red?

You know your stuff.
Of you don't mind saying, how much have sowed?

Coonagh · 12-07-2014 5:47pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Talking to my fert rep last week and he says his company are after developing a phosphorus product for tillage operations.
He says it'd in a veil and only let's out so much P every week and closes back up.
Soulds interesting

Sounds like vintage sales talk, I'd need to see independent trials before I'd swallow that!

Greengrass1 · 12-07-2014 5:53pm

Coonagh wrote: »

Sounds like vintage sales talk, I'd need to see independent trials before I'd swallow that!

There doing trials themselves. Harper Adams and teagasc

GRASSorMUCK · 12-07-2014 6:54pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

There doing trials themselves. Harper Adams and teagasc

Furlong?/ glanbia(goulding)?/Does your neighbour sell some for quins now?

Greengrass1 · 12-07-2014 6:59pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Furlong?/ glanbia(goulding)?/Does your neighbour sell some for quins now?

Cullen. Near ballymurn. Timac is the company.
Yep he takes in all the OSR in the county and some of Wicklow.

GRASSorMUCK · 12-07-2014 7:19pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Interesting. Not allowed p + k but never any variation. I use AN granulated to 60 units/acre in total.
Every time the sprayer goes on I add 2 to 4 kg/ha of urea. I think that it aids penetration and efficiency of Chems.
I don't include any urea at flag leaf spray, but every other time it's included. Just add prills to induction hopper.
Finally it gets a final spray of liquid urea just after flowering.
I can get proteins to 12.5 easy enough but finding it hard to go 13+.
13+ is where the money's at.
Ever try growing hard red?

Find vari- p/k doesn't affect yield(starting to wonder does it negatively) just helps to keep crops even.
Just don't use lots of An as find Urea better value, no exact reason being honest, needs to be melted down to liquid if poor quality/distressed as powders up when spreading/ find hard to get past 30m no matter brand, borrow an old artic stainless milk tank from a neighbour he rigged up to mix then into bulk tanks.
Will go to 220kg/n/ha if needed tend to go smaller splits then few big hits complete opposite on Feed. Tend not to go with late N/Nufol product really, Proteins tend to be erratic in the balance of yield/protein range 11-13.2 is highest i've ever seen in 2012 on crop that got lots of n but didn't yield so made protein, was poor bushel but merchants still fell over themselves for it.
Few guys have tried hard red here but it's love hate type crop with no real corelation.

GRASSorMUCK · 12-07-2014 7:21pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Cullen. Near ballymurn. Timac is the company.
Yep he takes in all the OSR in the county and some of Wicklow.

Ahh , ballymurns bit of a spin! thought you'd be caught up in Fulongs/Glanbia ww3 around there?

He must have fairly big stores now?

Greengrass1 · 12-07-2014 7:25pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Ahh , ballymurns bit of a spin! thought you'd be caught up in Fulongs/Glanbia ww3 around there?

He must have fairly big stores now?

Hard to do business with furlongs tbh.
Ye unreal must be 4-5 acres in the yard now

freedominacup · 12-07-2014 8:47pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Find vari- p/k doesn't affect yield(starting to wonder does it negatively) just helps to keep crops even.
Just don't use lots of An as find Urea better value, no exact reason being honest, needs to be melted down to liquid if poor quality/distressed as powders up when spreading/ find hard to get past 30m no matter brand, borrow an old artic stainless milk tank from a neighbour he rigged up to mix then into bulk tanks.
Will go to 220kg/n/ha if needed tend to go smaller splits then few big hits complete opposite on Feed. Tend not to go with late N/Nufol product really, Proteins tend to be erratic in the balance of yield/protein range 11-13.2 is highest i've ever seen in 2012 on crop that got lots of n but didn't yield so made protein, was poor bushel but merchants still fell over themselves for it.
Few guys have tried hard red here but it's love hate type crop with no real corelation.

Do you find it hard to keep sprayer in good condition using all this liquid urea. The oul boy wrecked one using liquid urea back in the day.
Or is it a case that they're moved on before it becomes a problem?

sheebadog · 12-07-2014 9:48pm

freedominacup wrote: »

Do you find it hard to keep sprayer in good condition using all this liquid urea. The oul boy wrecked one using liquid urea back in the day.
Or is it a case that they're moved on before it becomes a problem?

Aluminium booms. QED.

sheebadog · 13-07-2014 7:54am

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Find vari- p/k doesn't affect yield(starting to wonder does it negatively) just helps to keep crops even.
Just don't use lots of An as find Urea better value, no exact reason being honest, needs to be melted down to liquid if poor quality/distressed as powders up when spreading/ find hard to get past 30m no matter brand, borrow an old artic stainless milk tank from a neighbour he rigged up to mix then into bulk tanks.
Will go to 220kg/n/ha if needed tend to go smaller splits then few big hits complete opposite on Feed. Tend not to go with late N/Nufol product really, Proteins tend to be erratic in the balance of yield/protein range 11-13.2 is highest i've ever seen in 2012 on crop that got lots of n but didn't yield so made protein, was poor bushel but merchants still fell over themselves for it.
Few guys have tried hard red here but it's love hate type crop with no real corelation.

That's a handy set up that your neighbour has. Does the outside of the tank frost up?
I'm able to buy liquid urea delivered by tanker load so handling is simple.

A neighbour has a 110ha field down to hard red and I've been watching it closely.
No fungicide has been needed. Spotless.
He started cutting it yesterday and we were filling 2 artics to his one.
From day one it has been thin on the ground and very poor to tiller out. Would a higher seed rate be a good idea?
Thinking out loud!

Greengrass1 · 13-07-2014 9:32am

sheebadog wrote: »

That's a handy set up that your neighbour has. Does the outside of the tank frost up?
I'm able to buy liquid urea delivered by tanker load so handling is simple.

A neighbour has a 110ha field down to hard red and I've been watching it closely.
No fungicide has been needed. Spotless.
He started cutting it yesterday and we were filling 2 artics to his one.
From day one it has been thin on the ground and very poor to tiller out. Would a higher seed rate be a good idea?
Thinking out loud!

Field of malting barley beside the yard here. Best crop I've ever seen in it in 10 yrs. Normally they would be at it every week or that but only seen him in it about 5 times since sowing.
Super healthy crop of barley. Pity some has got lodged

GRASSorMUCK · 13-07-2014 9:43am

sheebadog wrote: »

That's a handy set up that your neighbour has. Does the outside of the tank frost up?
I'm able to buy liquid urea delivered by tanker load so handling is simple.

A neighbour has a 110ha field down to hard red and I've been watching it closely.
No fungicide has been needed. Spotless.
He started cutting it yesterday and we were filling 2 artics to his one.
From day one it has been thin on the ground and very poor to tiller out. Would a higher seed rate be a good idea?
Thinking out loud!

It's not something you'd do a huge amount with, would drive you mad!. It's basicaly a 25,000l milk tank with baffels cut out and a large hole in the top for filling with various angle jets and suction pipes added to keep it circulating while melting with a large electric pump on the back. Get most the stuff ordered in as liquid all right just melt down any cheap urea can get at the farm, he buys as much as he can of shyte but problem he finds tends to settle out at week or 10 days when it takes about 36hrs to process each load iykwim. Probably should look up proper/better recipe but then again the KeepItSimpleStupid protocol comes into play

Can honestly say it's something i know little about only a neighbor grows some loves it one year worst crop ever the next!

GRASSorMUCK · 15-07-2014 12:28am

sheebadog wrote: »

Aluminium booms. QED.

Pommier booms?

sheebadog · 15-07-2014 7:47am

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Pommier booms?

Are they the crowd that manufacture booms for Blanchard, Artec, Evrard, etc?

GRASSorMUCK · 15-07-2014 12:03pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Are they the crowd that manufacture booms for Blanchard, Artec, Evrard, etc?

No idea I know they specialise in aluminium booms and a contractor for omex doing liquid n on a farm worked on reckoned best about. Pretty sure their French also?

sheebadog · 15-07-2014 12:19pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

No idea I know they specialise in aluminium booms and a contractor for omex doing liquid n on a farm worked on reckoned best about. Pretty sure their French also?

Yep French outfit. Berthoud now using them on their self propelled.

GRASSorMUCK · 15-07-2014 7:52pm

Last checks! Thursday/Friday start claas still need to apply anti fire mods as quite a few 2013 models went up in flames last year due to changed engine bays etc

Greengrass1 · 15-07-2014 8:03pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Last checks! Thursday/Friday start claas still need to apply anti fire mods as quite a few 2013 models went up in flames last year due to changed engine bays etc

Neighbour has 2013 NH. 34FT head.
Kelly's sent a lad out to him twith a class.
Class ran rings around the NH

sheebadog · 15-07-2014 10:05pm

Ok tucked in wheat proper this evening.
42.34 ha
14.1% moisture
12.3% protein
80.1 bushel
345 hag
407.84 tons
Variety is Hystar (hybrid)

micraX · 15-07-2014 10:59pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Last checks! Thursday/Friday start claas still need to apply anti fire mods as quite a few 2013 models went up in flames last year due to changed engine bays etc

You retro ffitting a fire suppressing system?

freedominacup · 15-07-2014 11:19pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Ok tucked in wheat proper this evening.
42.34 ha
14.1% moisture
12.3% protein
80.1 bushel
345 hag
407.84 tons
Variety is Hystar (hybrid)

There's merchants around here that would consider that a big evenings work.

Harrier1980 · 15-07-2014 11:28pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Ok tucked in wheat proper this evening.
42.34 ha
14.1% moisture
12.3% protein
80.1 bushel
345 hag
407.84 tons
Variety is Hystar (hybrid)

Where in the country are you? Early for wheat is it? Where did you get they hybrid variety from?

Farmer Pudsey · 15-07-2014 11:44pm

Harrier1980 wrote: »

Where in the country are you? Early for wheat is it? Where did you get they hybrid variety from?

Sheebadog is farming in the sunny south in a county begining with ''F''.

darragh_haven · 15-07-2014 11:48pm

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Sheebadog is farming in the sunny south in a county begining with ''F''.

Fexford. ...

Harrier1980 · 15-07-2014 11:50pm

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Sheebadog is farming in the sunny south in a county begining with ''F''.

Fermanagh is in the sunny south now is it?

Farmer Pudsey · 15-07-2014 11:51pm

darragh_haven wrote: »

Fexford. ...

a bit further south and east

sheebadog · 16-07-2014 12:32am

FFS.

I give up.

sheebadog · 16-07-2014 12:35am

sheebadog wrote: »

FFS.

I give up.

My cows... Milk......fmFFS

I give up.

How do you kill weeds in grass

For Fcuks sake.!!
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darragh_haven · 16-07-2014 12:39am

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

a bit further south and east

He took the horse in the end.

sheebadog · 16-07-2014 12:40am

Please show me how to Fcuk off outa here

sheebadog · 16-07-2014 12:41am

Harrier1980 wrote: »

Where in the country are you? Early for wheat is it? Where did you get they hybrid variety from?

From a bag.

sheebadog · 16-07-2014 12:43am

sheebadog wrote: »

From a bag.

How do I unregister. ?

Mods PLEASE???

Farmer Pudsey · 16-07-2014 12:43am

sheebadog wrote: »

Please show me how to Fcuk off outa here

I taught you knew how to get out ferry from Cork you would be in France in 14 hours.

sheebadog · 16-07-2014 12:45am

16 to 18 hrs.

Farmer Pudsey · 16-07-2014 12:47am

darragh_haven wrote: »

He took the horse in the end.

By the way it is she I think

sheebadog · 16-07-2014 1:04am

Greysides. Please close this down. SVP.

Farmer Pudsey · 16-07-2014 1:06am

By the way back to grain prices I see that the FI is hinting 135/ton is the openimg offer this year

GRASSorMUCK · 16-07-2014 6:25am

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Neighbour has 2013 NH. 34FT head.
Kelly's sent a lad out to him twith a class.
Class ran rings around the NH

They're both similar machines really, it's a case of save about 60k over 5 years on the nh vs the best customer service/dealer back-up around in the claas iykwim.

sheebadog wrote: »

Ok tucked in wheat proper this evening.
42.34 ha
14.1% moisture
12.3% protein
80.1 bushel
345 hag
407.84 tons
Variety is Hystar (hybrid)

Straight into the store smiling like a cheshire cat

?
Never done alot with hybrids really, just see some appearing on irrigated sand land and chalk bank alright.
Whhat would seed cost per ton, any home saving?

micraX wrote: »

You retro ffitting a fire suppressing system?

I'm not they are!, they changed their engine bay layout alot causes dust to get in around the engine bay and smoulder where as older models kept them cleaner. Had a small fire last year so had to go to twice a day blowdowns as an 'urgent' service bulletin.
Also issue with some wires heating and burning beneath the cab/engine area.
Has been a few fuel tanks that the top has melted on due to heat from exhaust, will try get a pic the new cat convertor is bloody huge hopefully pickie don't know just how big!

Harrier1980 · 16-07-2014 8:31am

Didn't realise I would upset sheebadog that much by asking a question?

freedominacup · 16-07-2014 9:06am

sheebadog wrote: »

Greysides. Please close this down. SVP.

Dammit.

Grain price.

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