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Greengrass1 wrote: »What would lads be making per hactare off grain?
Couldnt be more than 1300 thus yr with the price?
Damn all on owned ground. Lucky to have the price of a few IFJ's per acre this year.Farmer Pudsey wrote: »It is somthing that often interests me is margin/profit levels on grain.
From this you be talking about turnover of 1390/HA (140/ton for grain and straw 55/acre on the ledge). As a lot of grain grown on conacre would 400/HA in rental charge be correct(150/acre). Seed would it cost 65/HA(26/acre). Fertlizer depending on availability of slurry 150-280/HA (50-90/acre). Tilling. spraying and harvest costs 350-450/ha. Costs in the region of 1050-1100/HA. And winter barley is suppose to be one of the more profitable crops.
So this year 120-150/acre margin. Was 175/ton best price over last five years. that would be 130/acre higher.
Grain is not near €140 yet though and your rent is on the low side for any of the main growing areas. Seed around €32/acre unless home saving.
Fertiliser will be a tad more this spring - around €110/acre.
You wouldn't be spraying much at those prices! Machinery costs alone would be close to €150/acre.
So you can quickly see that in a year like this you are in loss making territory very quickly and no contribution towards fixed costs.
Busy fools we are buring diesel this year
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Damn all on owned ground. Lucky to have the price of a few IFJ's per acre this year.
Grain is not near €140 yet though and your rent is on the low side for any of the main growing areas. Seed around €32/acre unless home saving.
Fertiliser will be a tad more this spring - around €110/acre.
You wouldn't be spraying much at those prices! Machinery costs alone would be close to €150/acre.
So you can quickly see that in a year like this you are in loss making territory very quickly and no contribution towards fixed costs.
Busy fools we are buring diesel this year
I have often wondered are lads that are at tillage and contractors suffering from machinery disease or just want to be seen as tractor jockeys. Why be a busy fool. I would like to see costings broken down a bit.0 -
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Love the photos GrassorMuck - Keep em coming
So how do Irish tillage farmers compare to their british Counterparts? Obvioiusly the scale is much bigger over there - but in relation to yields, crop husbandry and i suppose most importantly Profit - how are our lads doing?
I'll need to give some background to the farm before i reply, don't go thinking our place is the standard uk estate as it isn't it's the result of 2 decades of miss management finally all falling apart like a deck of cards. My boss is an extremely wealthy member of the landed gentry over here who inherited the farm/wider estate in the late 80's with no interest in it other than a week end retreat from london, so in 1989 he got a certain farming company (eg velcourt{not the actual company mind!}) in to review the farm to run as cheaply as possible and so they took it over to farm it, the farm is cropping 4,200 acres with some 1,500 acres on longterm leases due to end over the next 5-20 years at the time they had 15 farm workers, 2 dairy herds of around 300 cows each and kept all the calves as beef cattle. By 1993 the farm had cut to all arable and 5 full timers. By 2009 the farm had a seriou BG problem as the then manager was completely restricted in what he could do as some crops guru advised all the managers in a form of calender farming eg, you plant these varities then spray this chem we bulk purchase cheaper than all the peasants who have no idea vs what each farm/Field!! needed... The only machine was either a brand new quadtrac 535,8430,2x6930's and a 2007 530/70 jcb, or atleast 10 years old and done a death of work poorly maintained because 'this was an efficient farm' they also built a new grain store unit in 1992. The grain stores were completely under sized poorly built ie concrete on clay!! all the elevators flooded from spring and were rusted out etc They replaced all the tractors in one go vs now everythings on a 5 year rotaton change quadtrac next year, then sprayer etc etc.. kit like drill cultivations equipment are about 5-10, basically when fairly worn but we are at a big cross roads where to go now. Then in mid-late 09 the boss had someone come and look at his 'farm' told him what a joke it was and since then took an interest in it. Hired my previous boss, who only for i wouldn't have learned/ benefited from at all came as a summer casual with plans to go to Oz combining etc never left!:D This account i inherited from my uncles nephew from the other side of the family iykwim who wanted to work in uk but i can't stand but had to seen to help so forgetting exact details he set up on here with my bloody email account.
. Anyway after re building the store, starting to modernised how the farm worked and spending alot of money and here we are.
Now as for uk farmers,some are addicted to crops, others are spread sheet farmers counting the cost of every m2 grown on the farm some are addicted to kit others are like children if you buy a new tractor i need something bigger better some are full of shyte talking how they grow their crops so well no one else could possibly do nearly as well, like ireland really the accents the only difference!
. I find they like every technology fad going and will talk down any one elses argument, generally to re-assure them selves it's the right thing to do, if they are so much more agronomicaly superior and have access to so much more tech due to scale why are yields no different and the wheat producers now full of BG which is spreading W and N and now starting to export it even!. I'm sure if Ireland had 1/3 less rain the crops would also be alot less disease prone eg. Septoria/Fuarium you would also grow lots of milling wheats also? They have spent too much time watching sky news believing their own hype personally :pac::)
Eg the farm now is 4,100 acre as we sowed 100 aacres of water meadows to a variety of wild flower, old meadow pasures bird feed mixes as too wet to work really and paid alot for environmental schemes. Last year/pring gone by was the first year in 5 we managed to work and sow the full acerage and have since lost 12% of that to Bg/ diseasse etc.. be it whole cropping wheat in early june for free before it set seeds 120 acres of the bad strips in feed wheat ground don't bother grow milling where expect bad BG, various patches of other crops burnt off , alot of osr as kerb had no effect last year.... We have a full time agronomist in at a set rate fee per acre sown 1-1.5 days week as just couldn't look after the crop and do everything else aswel, our 2 main men the cultivations/ drill man and sprayer/combine driver are paid well above the norm but are extremely good can work with out instruction just say what needs doing let them at it.. saying all that we've made more mistakes than would care to mention, hindsights 20/20. Most the crops are not as good as know you can get them, just always playing catch up regards in-puts/Bg , reckon loose 5-10% yield on average across all wheats due to Bg competition. 0 -
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GRASSorMUCK wrote: »I'll need to give some background to the farm before i reply, don't go thinking our place is the standard uk estate as it isn't it's the result of 2 decades of miss management finally all falling apart like a deck of cards. My boss is an extremely wealthy member of the landed gentry over here who inherited the farm/wider estate in the late 80's with no interest in it other than a week end retreat from london, so in 1989 he got a certain farming company (eg velcourt{not the actual company mind!}) in to review the farm to run as cheaply as possible and so they took it over to farm it, the farm is cropping 4,200 acres with some 1,500 acres on longterm leases due to end over the next 5-20 years at the time they had 15 farm workers, 2 dairy herds of around 300 cows each and kept all the calves as beef cattle. By 1993 the farm had cut to all arable and 5 full timers. By 2009 the farm had a seriou BG problem as the then manager was completely restricted in what he could do as some crops guru advised all the managers in a form of calender farming eg, you plant these varities then spray this chem we bulk purchase cheaper than all the peasants who have no idea vs what each farm/Field!! needed... The only machine was either a brand new quadtrac 535,8430,2x6930's and a 2007 530/70 jcb, or atleast 10 years old and done a death of work poorly maintained because 'this was an efficient farm' they also built a new grain store unit in 1992. The grain stores were completely under sized poorly built ie concrete on clay!! all the elevators flooded from spring and were rusted out etc They replaced all the tractors in one go vs now everythings on a 5 year rotaton change quadtrac next year, then sprayer etc etc.. kit like drill cultivations equipment are about 5-10, basically when fairly worn but we are at a big cross roads where to go now. Then in mid-late 09 the boss had someone come and look at his 'farm' told him what a joke it was and since then took an interest in it. Hired my previous boss, who only for i wouldn't have learned/ benefited from at all came as a summer casual with plans to go to Oz combining etc never left!:D This account i inherited from my uncles nephew from the other side of the family iykwim who wanted to work in uk but i can't stand but had to seen to help so forgetting exact details he set up on here with my bloody email account.. Anyway after re building the store, starting to modernised how the farm worked and spending alot of money and here we are.
Now as for uk farmers,some are addicted to crops, others are spread sheet farmers counting the cost of every m2 grown on the farm some are addicted to kit others are like children if you buy a new tractor i need something bigger better some are full of shyte talking how they grow their crops so well no one else could possibly do nearly as well, like ireland really the accents the only difference!. I find they like every technology fad going and will talk down any one elses argument, generally to re-assure them selves it's the right thing to do, if they are so much more agronomicaly superior and have access to so much more tech due to scale why are yields no different and the wheat producers now full of BG which is spreading W and N and now starting to export it even!. I'm sure if Ireland had 1/3 less rain the crops would also be alot less disease prone eg. Septoria/Fuarium you would also grow lots of milling wheats also? They have spent too much time watching sky news believing their own hype personally :pac::)
Eg the farm now is 4,100 acre as we sowed 100 aacres of water meadows to a variety of wild flower, old meadow pasures bird feed mixes as too wet to work really and paid alot for environmental schemes. Last year/pring gone by was the first year in 5 we managed to work and sow the full acerage and have since lost 12% of that to Bg/ diseasse etc.. be it whole cropping wheat in early june for free before it set seeds 120 acres of the bad strips in feed wheat ground don't bother grow milling where expect bad BG, various patches of other crops burnt off , alot of osr as kerb had no effect last year.... We have a full time agronomist in at a set rate fee per acre sown 1-1.5 days week as just couldn't look after the crop and do everything else aswel, our 2 main men the cultivations/ drill man and sprayer/combine driver are paid well above the norm but are extremely good can work with out instruction just say what needs doing let them at it.. saying all that we've made more mistakes than would care to mention, hindsights 20/20. Most the crops are not as good as know you can get them, just always playing catch up regards in-puts/Bg , reckon loose 5-10% yield on average across all wheats due to Bg competition.
Fair knowledge there. I think some of those English farmers can relate back to some Irish farmers.
Keep up the good work. A lot even us dairy men can learn from ye0 -
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frazzledhome wrote: »I might aswell be looking into a Furze bush haha
Don't worry I'm no better just what been told by driver! He's worried member of traveling community might have a look in the big shiny box part in the right hand side!
The fan pulls in air from on top of the machine which is in theory cleaner but not working out. Problem dust gets in around engine bay, nice hot turbo etc then goes on fire0 -
GRASSorMUCK wrote: »This is the reason we need a crawler just to pull out some tram lines, for reference they're size 11's.....
Wet spot and sprayer is just too heavy
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frazzledhome wrote: »From what I can gather forward selling isn't practiced her to any large degree. I think the concept got a real kicking in harvest 12 I think. Loads of lads forward sold early and grain kept rising leaving them feeling unhappy. This combined with lower than expected yields left them not filling contracts. They of course sold 100% forward instead or being cute and selling portions.
Pretty much it above! Just your like a fish over a barrel to the merchant but then not much else choice! Just had an offer of £112/ton feed wheat at 15% load out soon as harvested.... Ooooooh dear!! 0 -
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