Clerical Positions in the Civil and Public Service

connectq

UsedToWait wrote: »

I don't think the same rules apply everywhere..
I had previous service credited where i work currently, but turned down a position in a local authority, where i was told it wasn't allowed to be taken in to account.

Lots of people on this thread had previous TCO time (less than 3 years) credited in their new positions.

I was given this info from CPSU so I assume they are correct but if anyone here who has less than three years with a break in their service can they let me know if it was counted.

UsedToWait

connectq wrote: »

I was given this info from CPSU so I assume they are correct but if anyone here who has less than three years with a break in their service can they let me know if it was counted.

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There's a circular on incremental credit you could look up - I'm almost certain there was no clause saying service needs to be unbroken.

For me, this was superceded by a local authority circular which stated all new entrants must start on the first point of the scale.

(As it happens, a query went to the Department and i was subsequently offered the position on my current point on the scale, but by that stage had decided to stay where i am currently - just pointing it out to show that there can be a degree of flexibility in the system)..
I wouldn't give up yet if i were you..

Which branch of the public/civil service are you in?

Divisadero

connectq wrote: »

I was given this info from CPSU so I assume they are correct but if anyone here who has less than three years with a break in their service can they let me know if it was counted.

It is correct. I was in a similar situation and was refused credit. By the way I didn't take my Department's HR word on this but double (triple!) checked with DPER who issue the guidelines and they confirmed it. They have a circular you might be able to ask for. I think the unions may have agreed to this so don't expect much help from the CPSU. Anyway it is DPER you should contact if you wish to double check. So unless someone makes a mistake in interpreting the guidelines within your HR you can forget getting full incremental credit for previous permanent service (as they deduct three years service).

UsedToWait

^ As i said, i believe different departments look at this differently..

I think the circular i was referring to is 40/2007..

ruadh

connectq wrote: »

It will count:
1: Progression- If you are going from TCO contract straight into perm CO with no break in service
Or 2: Credit- where you have previous service (but it didn't go from TCO straight into CO contract)you need a minimum of three years service to get recognition.

I have 2.5 years previous service which will not count as there was a break from my TCO contract to CO!!!

How is it fair if someone on a TCO contract for say two years has their service counted if they go straight to CO contract but we have ours completely scrapped?? I'm not surprised by it but it is bitterly disappointing and beyond infuriating.

connectq

UsedToWait wrote: »

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There's a circular on incremental credit you could look up - I'm almost certain there was no clause saying service needs to be unbroken.

For me, this was superceded by a local authority circular which stated all new entrants must start on the first point of the scale.

(As it happens, a query went to the Department and i was subsequently offered the position on my current point on the scale, but by that stage had decided to stay where i am currently - just pointing it out to show that there can be a degree of flexibility in the system)..
I wouldn't give up yet if i were you..

Which branch of the public/civil service are you in?

Thanks for the advice I'll look up the circular. I'm in Agri. Previously worked in Social Protection and Justice.

connectq

connectq wrote: »

Thanks for the advice I'll look up the circular. I'm in Agri. Previously worked in Social Protection and Justice.

Found this circular
http://hr.per.gov.ie/files/2011/08/Circ.-21-of-2004-CPSU-and-PSEU.pdf

It has this line in it:
Qualifying service means actual service less three years in the case of CO and actual service less four years in the case of EO...

Holysock

connectq wrote: »

Found this circular
http://hr.per.gov.ie/files/2011/08/Circ.-21-of-2004-CPSU-and-PSEU.pdf

It has this line in it:
Qualifying service means actual service less three years in the case of CO and actual service less four years in the case of EO...

That was released 13/08/2004 and then this which was released 16/12/2004 seems to contradict that: http://circulars.gov.ie/pdf/letter/finance/2004/3.pdf

ruadh

http://hr.per.gov.ie/files/2011/08/Circ.-40-of-2007-certain-IMPACT-grades.pdf Released 2007

UsedToWait

ruadh wrote: »

http://hr.per.gov.ie/files/2011/08/Circ.-40-of-2007-certain-IMPACT-grades.pdf Released 2007

Yes, that's 40/2007, as i mentioned.

I believe it is still in general effect,
(it was the circular i was pointed towards by a colleague's relative who is in HR), except where it has been superceded by individual departmental circulars (such as the one i mentioned covering local authorities)..

Happyilylost

It's great when people are talking about the help I need! I have done a couple of tco's and have now got a permanent position. I've been sent a verification form that needs to be filled out by "h.r department or payroll only" so that my previous work is counted. Is there a general payroll point of contact for the public sector? Even though I worked in Galway I think I dealt with payroll in Dublin... any help would be great.

keepkeyyellow

I'm a tiny bit confused re pensions. I thought that pay up to 24,000 was exempt but I seem to be paying 12€ a week?

Holysock

keepkeyyellow wrote: »

I'm a tiny bit confused re pensions. I thought that pay up to 24,000 was exempt but I seem to be paying 12€ a week?

Pension Related Deduction is the levy, you are exempt from PRD on up to €24,750 from January 2016 and up to €28,750 from September 2016. You have to contribute to a pension and pay the actual pension deduction though which is roughly 3%

Technocentral

UsedToWait wrote: »

^ As i said, i believe different departments look at this differently..

I think the circular i was referring to is 40/2007..

I'm a TCO, I'll be finishing soon and starting in another part of the Civil Service 4 days later as a CO (tuesday after a weekend) I assume this will count as uninterupted service so I will have time put towards increment?

Busle

I've been on to public jobs and they couldn't tell me how many of the 229 called for interview so far have been placed. Any ideas on this? The last person placed on here from that region was 140. Thanks in advance

UsedToWait

Technocentral wrote: »

I'm a TCO, I'll be finishing soon and starting in another part of the Civil Service 4 days later as a CO (tuesday after a weekend) I assume this will count as uninterupted service so I will have time put towards increment?

I think the only thing that can be said from what we've seen on this thread is that it's unclear..
You'd need to check with HR in your new place..

UsedToWait

Happyilylost wrote: »

It's great when people are talking about the help I need! I have done a couple of tco's and have now got a permanent position. I've been sent a verification form that needs to be filled out by "h.r department or payroll only" so that my previous work is counted. Is there a general payroll point of contact for the public sector? Even though I worked in Galway I think I dealt with payroll in Dublin... any help would be great.

I'm not sure where you work - some places are covered by PeoplePoint, which is in Dublin.. You'd need to check with your local HR/Payroll, and take it from there..

lalapo

Busle wrote: »

I've been on to public jobs and they couldn't tell me how many of the 229 called for interview so far have been placed. Any ideas on this? The last person placed on here from that region was 140. Thanks in advance

I'm 141 and I'm currently going through clearance, they've told me the jobs available at the moment are in Athlone and Tullamore. As soon as my clearance is done I'll be given my offer, so hopefully it's not too much longer.

keepkeyyellow

Holysock wrote: »

Pension Related Deduction is the levy, you are exempt from PRD on up to €24,750 from January 2016 and up to €28,750 from September 2016. You have to contribute to a pension and pay the actual pension deduction though which is roughly 3%

Thank you! Yeah that's fair enough I suppose

keepkeyyellow

FYI they're on 170 something in Cork

SSMorg

Any word on the Roscommon/Sligo region, any one been called for interview yet or any results from the Dublin exam in March?

Ree40

Also waiting on word from the Sligo panel. No word yet from the March exams

Hershall

Busle wrote: »

I've been on to public jobs and they couldn't tell me how many of the 229 called for interview so far have been placed. Any ideas on this? The last person placed on here from that region was 140. Thanks in advance

They checking refs up around 170 at the moment!!!

doc11

Ree40 wrote: »

Also waiting on word from the Sligo panel. No word yet from the March exams

Did my exam in early February and still no word.

AngelaG

To be honest with the new competition starting in Jun/Jul I think the interviews in Feb and March were a waste of time. I think they just had to get us all past Stage 2 to cross their T's and I's.... or am I hopefully wrong ....??

Kerry987

AngelaG wrote: »

To be honest with the new competition starting in Jun/Jul I think the interviews in Feb and March were a waste of time. I think they just had to get us all past Stage 2 to cross their T's and I's.... or am I hopefully wrong ....??

But surely even if there is a new competition coming shortly, they will still go forward with those who have done stage 2 and call them for interview? I will be so mad if they don't. I'm waiting on stage 2 results since Feb, over a year and a half later after stage 1 so It is ridiculous if they discard us and have to start in new comp again.

alwaysadub

AngelaG wrote: »

To be honest with the new competition starting in Jun/Jul I think the interviews in Feb and March were a waste of time. I think they just had to get us all past Stage 2 to cross their T's and I's.... or am I hopefully wrong ....??

I think they are running them in conjunction with each other for a while. Hope so anyway after waiting all this time to be placed!

Hershall

AngelaG wrote: »

To be honest with the new competition starting in Jun/Jul I think the interviews in Feb and March were a waste of time. I think they just had to get us all past Stage 2 to cross their T's and I's.... or am I hopefully wrong ....??

Has a new competition actually been confirmed?

Darkglasses

AngelaG wrote: »

To be honest with the new competition starting in Jun/Jul I think the interviews in Feb and March were a waste of time. I think they just had to get us all past Stage 2 to cross their T's and I's.... or am I hopefully wrong ....??

No way, it took a tonne of money and man hours to get that shortlist and panel together, they'll use it for as long as possible. Wexford CoCo definitely hired a good few off that round of interviews, myself included.

AngelaG

Hershall wrote: »

Has a new competition actually been confirmed?

Yes those up for the TCO interviews last week we're told that a CO competition will be opening Jun or July.