Scholes was better than Xavi and Pirlo

shadowcomplex

Some will disagree but the stats don't lie

1. Scored twice as many goals as both
2. three times the assists of both
3. More trophies than both

So agree or disagree?

dahat

Could you fit all three on fantasy 11 though???

Gringo180

Totally agree. Scholes the best midfielder England have ever produced.

Nuri Sahin

- - - - - - - - Scholes - - - - - - - -

Scholes - Scholes - Scholes - Scholes

- - - - - - Scholes - Scholes - - - - -

Scholes - - - - Scholes - - - - Scholes

- - - - - - - -Glen Johnson - - - - - - -

Pirlo and Xaxi on the bench with more Scholes.

bmcc10

Scholes would be appreciated far more by fans if he was Spanish or Italian.

J. Marston

shadowcomplex wrote: »

Some will disagree but the stats don't lie

1. Scored twice as many goals as both
2. three times the assists of both
3. More trophies than both

So agree or disagree?

He's easily better than Pirlo, that's not even a contest, in my opinion.

Xavi is a different matter.

Liam O

Scholes played a very different role to the other 2 early in his career based more around dynamic attacking.

I'm going to sit on the fence on this one and say they are the best in their positions in English, Italian and Spanish football in my lifetime

Guy:Incognito

Giggs beats them both on those stats too not sure on assists) . Jesus the lads are slipping down the list ........

Turtyturd

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

- - - - - - - - Scholes - - - - - - - -

Scholes - Scholes - Scholes - Scholes

- - - - - - Scholes - Scholes - - - - -

Scholes - - - - Scholes - - - - Scholes

- - - - - - - -Glen Johnson - - - - - - -

Pirlo and Xaxi on the bench with more Scholes.

Wouldn't have Johnson on current form...only the 2nd best forward at the World Cup.

IrishIrish

shadowcomplex wrote: »

Some will disagree but the stats don't lie

1. Scored twice as many goals as both
2. three times the assists of both
3. More trophies than both

So agree or disagree?

Where are you getting the stats from?

Ryu Hayabusa

Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes

CSF

Pirlo maybe, Xavi no way, Xavi at his peak was at a different level to anything I've seen in his position. Revolutionised a style of football.

Oh Jesus I sound like andersonisgod

Moneymaker

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes

Rubbish.

The likes of Zidane say Scholes was his toughest opponent.

Xavi looked up to Scholes.

Says it all.

Nuri Sahin

IrishIrish wrote: »

Where are you getting the stats from?

Football Manager.

bmcc10

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes

Hope your joking.

Gringo180

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes

Give over Scholes is on a different planet to Gerrard. Most over rated midfielder in the last 10 years.

niallo27

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes

Love it. They will explode reading this.

duffman13

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes

Really? More complete how exactly?

GavRedKing

Lampard has more goals and assists, less trophies.

Therefore lampard is 66% better than scholes

Professional Griefer

Gerrards surely better than him, loves messing up in the big games.

Lemonandice20

Scholes was an excellent player, but I felt he was far too predictable and lacked the intelligence of Pirlo and Xavi. Pirlo in 2004 was class, Xavi in 2009 was class. His finishing ability however could be argued imo to bring him above Pirlo, but never Xavi.

Kylo Ren

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes

shadowcomplex

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes

****e talk of the highest order

mike65

He's better than Pirlo today that's for sure.

Seaneh

Pirlo > Sholes > Xavi, in that order.

Rayne Wooney

Best midfielder of his generation

When you look at the list of top top players who agree with that statement you realise there is a lot of truth in it

niallo27

If he wasn't ginger he would be more appreciated around the world.

niallo27

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Best midfielder of his generation

When you look at the list of top top players who agree with that statement you realise there is a lot of truth in it

What list.

GavRedKing

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Best midfielder of his generation

When you look at the list of top top players who agree with that statement you realise there is a lot of truth in it

What about the list of top top top players?

Lemonandice20

Professional Griefer wrote: »

Gerrards surely better than him, loves messing up in the big games.

If you look at the stats Liverpool had a much better winning percentage without Gerrard in the team over the years. I can see why that's the case, he lacks intelligence and plays on emotion . He runs around disrupting the whole team dynamic.

niallo27

Lemonandice20 wrote: »

If you look at the stats Liverpool had a much better winning percentage without Gerrard in the team over the years. I can see why that's the case, he lacks intelligence and plays on emotion . He runs around disrupting the whole team dynamic.

Ya he is ****e.

Fescue

Some of you may remember my own dedication to the greatest of all time.





Scholes, in the nip,with a dog.

shadowcomplex

Those that compare Lampard and Gerrard to Scholes don't have a clue about football , lampard and gerrard were both worldclass players but their best position was in behind a striker, they both have never had the intelligence to dictate play from deep in the way a scholes, a xavi, a pirlo and xabi Alonso do, they were both high energy goal scoring midfielders, its part of the reason England failed when these guys were in their prime, lampard and gerrard were played deep when only one of them should played behind the striker, scholes was at one stage played on the wing, all because of clueless fcuking management and coaching

Roquentin

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

- - - - - - - - Scholes - - - - - - - -

Scholes - Scholes - Scholes - Scholes

- - - - - - Scholes - Scholes - - - - -

Scholes - - - - Scholes - - - - Scholes

- - - - - - - -Glen Johnson - - - - - - -

Pirlo and Xaxi on the bench with more Scholes.

Where is heskey?:pac:

Ryu Hayabusa

shadowcomplex wrote: »

Some will disagree but the stats don't lie

1. Scored twice as many goals as both
2. three times the assists of both
3. More trophies than both

So agree or disagree?

shadowcomplex wrote: »

****e talk of the highest order

As you probably have as much understanding of football as a typical Man Utd bandwagon supporter and use goals, assists etc as a bar in rating players, I will use Steven Gerrard to illustrate my point

Steven Gerrard has scored more goals in less games than Paul Scholes
Steven Gerrard can actually tackle
Steven Gerrard is a leader not a follower like Paul Scholes
Steven Gerrard can head the ball
Steven Gerrard scored more penalties
Steven Gerrard scored more frees
Steven Gerrard is more athletic than Paul Scholes
Steven Gerrard has a higher % of through ball assists than Paul Scholes

Rayne Wooney

GavRedKing wrote: »

What about the list of top top top players?

I'll have to wait for Fergie's next book before I can confirm that one Gav

super_furry

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

As you probably have as much understanding of football as a typical Man Utd bandwagon supporter and use goals, assists etc as a bar in rating players, I will use Steven Gerrard to illustrate my point

Steven Gerrard has scored more goals in less games than Paul Scholes
Steven Gerrard can actually tackle
Steven Gerrard is a leader not a follower like Paul Scholes
Steven Gerrard can head the ball
Steven Gerrard scored more penalties
Steven Gerrard scored more frees
Steven Gerrard is more athletic than Paul Scholes
Steven Gerrard has a higher % of through ball assists than Paul Scholes

Steven Gerrard has a soul

Roquentin

Lemonandice20 wrote: »

If you look at the stats Liverpool had a much better winning percentage without Gerrard in the team over the years. I can see why that's the case, he lacks intelligence and plays on emotion . He runs around disrupting the whole team dynamic.

Gerrard has to be fired up to produce. Scholes in second gear could do something magical if given an opportunity.

Gerrard was shown up again last night. He CANNOTcontrol, dictate or pass. he is an average to good MF

Roquentin

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

As you probably have as much understanding of football as a typical Man Utd bandwagon supporter and use goals, assists etc as a bar in rating players, I will use Steven Gerrard to illustrate my point

Steven Gerrard has scored more goals in less games than Paul Scholes
Steven Gerrard can actually tackle
Steven Gerrard is a leader not a follower like Paul Scholes
Steven Gerrard can head the ball
Steven Gerrard scored more penalties
Steven Gerrard scored more frees
Steven Gerrard is more athletic than Paul Scholes
Steven Gerrard has a higher % of through ball assists than Paul Scholes

Gerrard is not even better than xavi or pirlo, let alone scholes.

They are two different MFs to be honest. Gerrard played with a high tempo and got stuck in and ebbed on his teamates. Scholes was smart with the ball and had vision that was incredible.

Turtwig

Xavi was inspired by Scholes. Loved him but Xavi is by far the best of the 3. No question. Xavi controlled games in their entirety.

Scholes is way better than Gerrard or Lampard. Though, technically they're different types of players. So maybe the comparison is unfair.

bmcc10

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

As you probably have as much understanding of football as a typical Man Utd bandwagon supporter and use goals, assists etc as a bar in rating players, I will use Steven Gerrard to illustrate my point

Steven Gerrard has scored more goals in less games than Paul Scholes
Steven Gerrard can actually tackle
Steven Gerrard is a leader not a follower like Paul Scholes
Steven Gerrard can head the ball
Steven Gerrard scored more penalties
Steven Gerrard scored more frees
Steven Gerrard is more athletic than Paul Scholes
Steven Gerrard has a higher % of through ball assists than Paul Scholes

You sir are off your rocker.

Zico

super_furry wrote: »

Steven Gerrard has a soul

Whose is it?

Stolen no doubt.:rolleyes:

niallo27

bmcc10 wrote: »

You sir are off your rocker.

Well are his stats wrong.

Roquentin

niallo27 wrote: »

Well are his stats wrong.

"Gerrard can actually tackle."

Thats not even a stat, just an observation

niallo27

Roquentin wrote: »

"Gerrard can actually tackle."

Thats not even a stat, just an observation

What ever it is. It's true.

bmcc10

niallo27 wrote: »

Well are his stats wrong.

Ye suppose your right Scholes=11 PL titles -Gerard=0. Why was Gerard and Lampard even brought into the discussion?

Royal Irish

Ryu Hayabusa wrote: »

Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes

Bahahahaha!!

Gerrard was a decent player as a box to box midfielder but now that he doesn't have the legs for it and is playing in a more holding role in midfield, his performances in that position are embarrassing.

He got a great assist last night for Luis Suarez' second goal though :pac:

Ulysses Gaze

Scholes may be better than Pirlo and Xavi.

But Iniesta is better than Scholes.

ankaragucu

super_furry wrote: »

Steven Gerrard has a soul

Yeah but its over rated

Rayne Wooney

It's an unfair comparison but if you disregard the different types and group all types of midfielders into one then I think Scholes would be better than Pirlo and Xavi

niallo27

bmcc10 wrote: »

Ye suppose your right Scholes=11 PL titles -Gerard=0. Why was Gerard and Lampard even brought into the discussion?

Trophies shouldn't come into it. By the way I think scholes was a better player than Gerrard, but not the huge gap people think.