Advice regards alot of agressive dogs in my neighbourhood

whatdoicare

sillysmiles wrote: »

I would bring the trike out around the street and learn how they react to it without your child.
Any idea who owns any of the dogs?

How do you suggest I react to a dog growling and snapping at the bike? Its one thing saying learn how to react but there really isn't any way to react.

tk123

whatdoicare wrote: »

How do you suggest I react to a dog growling and snapping at the bike? Its one thing saying learn how to react but there really isn't any way to react.

Are you genuinely asking what to do or being argumentative - i honestly can't tell? I'd put the trike down and step away from it - they'll probably sniff it and walk off. While you're at it record them growling and snapping at the trike and post it here if you actually want feedback. It'd be handy for you to have evidence for the warden or indeed the owners.

sillysmiles

How I would react is not allowable to mention under the forum rules.
But all I'm saying is that you would know if the dogs react aggressively to the trike and then you have extra information for the dog warden and you would know it is 100% not a safe environment for your child until the dog issue is sorted.

I don't mean that you should learn how to react to them, but rather that you learn how they will react to you and the trike - they might take no notice of it.

whatdoicare

sillysmiles wrote: »

How I would react is not allowable to mention under the forum rules.
But all I'm saying is that you would know if the dogs react aggressively to the trike and then you have extra information for the dog warden and you would know it is 100% not a safe environment for your child until the dog issue is sorted.

I don't mean that you should learn how to react to them, but rather that you learn how they will react to you and the trike - they might take no notice of it.

well you wrote take the trike out and learn how to react not take the trike out and see if theyll do anything.
i really don't think im going to go and put myself in that situation, im not at all comfortable trying to video an aggressive animal in close range on the off chance the warden might like to see it. Im going to take the advice of continuous reporting to the Warden and contacting a local politician. I believe this will be the safer option.

I'm also not going to put an expensive trike down and walk away from it, it might encourage another child to go into the area to get it or it might get damaged or stolen.

ABajaninCork

OP. Instead of sitting here arguing the toss about the trike -have you called the Dog Warden yet? Did you get in touch with your local councillors??

borderlinemeath

whatdoicare wrote: »

well you wrote take the trike out and learn how to react not take the trike out and see if theyll do anything.
i really don't think im going to go and put myself in that situation, im not at all comfortable trying to video an aggressive animal in close range on the off chance the warden might like to see it. Im going to take the advice of continuous reporting to the Warden and contacting a local politician. I believe this will be the safer option.

I'm also not going to put an expensive trike down and walk away from it, it might encourage another child to go into the area to get it or it might get damaged or stolen.

I think what TK123 is trying to say is that the trike may be the trigger for the aggressiveness as dogs in general are not used to seeing children on trikes getting pushed around and may act out of character when face to face with one. Not many dogs are used to buggies/trikes/scooters/flickers and will act out of character. One of my own dogs hates the sound of my OHs quad bike and gives a "stranger danger" bark when it's turned on, and it can sound quite aggressive if you're not used to dogs, or how to deal with them.

I agree dogs should not be allowed out to roam, and their owners should be made keep them on their own property, but the trike could be the trigger than is setting them off and it's worthwhile knowing if they would just ignore you if it's just when you're walking by. Getting evidence can be extremely useful as the dog warden may visit and there could be no sign of the dogs at all but if you have evidence then there could be grounds for a prosecution if the dogs are eventually seized.

sillysmiles

whatdoicare wrote: »

but I'm having a huge problem with wandering/unleashed/unsupervised dogs growling and barking at the trike!!

This is the bit I was talking about. It would (I think) give you piece of mind or knowledge to know what would happen. They could just be reacting to it.
Nothing might happen.
Something might happen.

At the moment dogs are barking. Not all barking dogs are aggressive. Not all dogs that bite, bark first.

At the moment all you have told us is that the dogs bark at the trike - everything else is assumption of the worst case scenario. No one is suggests putting your child in danger - but if it was me, I would want to know how they react to it. Informing myself would make me feel better able to predict possible outcomes.

sillysmiles

whatdoicare wrote: »

well you wrote take the trike out and learn how to react not take the trike out and see if theyll do anything.

Actually what I wrote was

I would bring the trike out around the street and learn how they react to it without your child.
Any idea who owns any of the dogs?

borderlinemeath

Thinking about it, those trikes could look pretty much like hoovers through a dogs eyes, tall handle, pushed by a human, makes a strange enough noise Unless a dog is completely bombproof and has been socialised from the day it could hear a hoover then it will react one way or another. The vast majority of dogs really don't like them and either shy away or bark at them.

whatdoicare

Listen, I'm not interested in why the dog is barking, it's not important. The dog obviously thinks that area is his territory and is attacking everyone and anything he perceives as encroaching on that.

It doesn't matter if he's scared of hoovers or bikes or clouds - the only thing that matters is that one day he might decide he's sick of being scared and that he's going to attack and that "hoover" might be a child.

There's no point saying that he might never do that as we all know there have been plenty of dogs who put up with unreal things like toddlers crawling all over them until one day they decide they've had enough and then all of a sudden, baby is in hospital, dog's on his way to be put down and the owners are all over the news saying how gentle the dog was and they can't understand what happened. I'm trying to prevent this.

I like Dogs, my family own dogs, we are responsible owners.

The bottom line here is - there's a dog not in control, barking and snapping at people. I'm not interested in going near him or analysing his barks or trying to decipher if hes barking, snapping and growling out of fear or anger. I want him inside or in his back garden and then on a leash when he is outside. If he still can't control himself then I also want a muzzle on him. That's the only outcome I'm looking for here.

I've contacted the Warden, he's already been complained about multiple times so what I'm going to do is send my husband down every night for the next few weeks and if the dog is out I'm going to ring the Warden and keep ringing until something is done. If nothing is still done I'm going to take the dog and put him in the pound and tell them I found him roaming.

borderlinemeath

whatdoicare wrote: »

Listen, I'm not interested in why the dog is barking, it's not important. The dog obviously thinks that area is his territory and is attacking everyone and anything he perceives as encroaching on that.

It doesn't matter if he's scared of hoovers or bikes or clouds - the only thing that matters is that one day he might decide he's sick of being scared and that he's going to attack and that "hoover" might be a child.

There's no point saying that he might never do that as we all know there have been plenty of dogs who put up with unreal things like toddlers crawling all over them until one day they decide they've had enough and then all of a sudden, baby is in hospital, dog's on his way to be put down and the owners are all over the news saying how gentle the dog was and they can't understand what happened. I'm trying to prevent this.

I like Dogs, my family own dogs, we are responsible owners.

The bottom line here is - there's a dog not in control, barking and snapping at people. I'm not interested in going near him or analysing his barks or trying to decipher if hes barking, snapping and growling out of fear or anger. I want him inside or in his back garden and then on a leash when he is outside. If he still can't control himself then I also want a muzzle on him. That's the only outcome I'm looking for here.

I've contacted the Warden, he's already been complained about multiple times so what I'm going to do is send my husband down every night for the next few weeks and if the dog is out I'm going to ring the Warden and keep ringing until something is done. If nothing is still done I'm going to take the dog and put him in the pound and tell them I found him roaming.

Now I'm a bit confused. The thread title says "A lot of aggressive dogs" and now you're saying it's only one dog? Do you know who owns him?

By the way, you can only insist on a muzzle by law if the dog is on the Restricted Breed list. It's not up to you to insist otherwise. Is this dog/dogs on the list?

whatdoicare

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Now I'm a bit confused. The thread title says "A lot of aggressive dogs" and now you're saying it's only one dog? Do you know who owns him?

By the way, you can only insist on a muzzle by law if the dog is on the Restricted Breed list. It's not up to you to insist otherwise. Is this dog/dogs on the list?

Sorry, thats bad grammar on my part, there's actually three dogs. One on the bottom of my hill, one to the left and one to my right. I had a particularly bad experience with the one on the left yesterday and I guess I'm most concerned with him right now.
I didn't know that about the muzzle - I would have thought if a dog is snapping and biting then a muzzle would be required. What happens if they are not a special breed?

Kukey

If they are not a special breed ie on restricted breed list,then they don't have to wear a muzzle.Even though dogs are aggressive.You are right you should be able to wheel your child wherever you want,without fear of your child being attacked by roaming dogs! If you are in Dublin the Warden will usually respond to a complaint asap.

borderlinemeath

whatdoicare wrote: »

Sorry, thats bad grammar on my part, there's actually three dogs. One on the bottom of my hill, one to the left and one to my right. I had a particularly bad experience with the one on the left yesterday and I guess I'm most concerned with him right now.
I didn't know that about the muzzle - I would have thought if a dog is snapping and biting then a muzzle would be required. What happens if they are not a special breed?

By law the only dogs required to be muzzled are those on the RB list. A responsible owner should muzzle their dog (non RBs) if it appears aggressive in public towards members of the public or other dogs, but it's wholly dependent on the owner. If, however they were charged with having a dog out of control then they may be compelled to muzzle the dog but it depends on the judge. Although usually if there has been an incident the dog is pts rather than the owner keeping it with conditions. If owners are indifferent and irresponsible enough to let their dogs roam then they probably wouldn't be pushed into keeping a dog with law abiding conditions and take the lazy way out

Qualitymark

If the warden has been contacted several times before and has done nothing, why is this? Is he afraid of the dogs' owners?
Is there a community garda you can talk to, if the warden doesn't take action?
The trouble with these barky dogs is that they're liable to turn your child into someone who's afraid of dogs.