Reality of Dun Laoghaire Library

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It must be near time to lock up this thread, the sh1te that gets spouted here is ridiculous,

Larbre34

Time for a new NIMBY thread perhaps?

Schadenfreudia

Larbre34 wrote: »

Time for a new NIMBY thread perhaps?

O Lord, not another one!

I guess this is a simple case of most people like it and some people don't and never the twain shall agree.

To most of us who like it it ain't such a big deal one way or another; but some of those who hate it seem a bit obsessed with it. To the extent of actually calling for it to be demolished just as it was completed!

I guess you'd call that fundamentalist Nimby jihadism

The picture prompts me to note - imagine the hysterical objections if DL seafront looked exactly as it does in the picture except the harbour walls were missing and the Council proposed to build them?!

The Nimby whines would be heard all the way to Hollyhead....

josip

Larbre34 wrote: »

I think its important to clarify that that €36 million could only have been spent on cultural and amenity facilities, such are the development levy rules.

I would have spent it differently personally, but its not money lost to health or housing or social care etc.

Understood, which is why I've referred to the economic strategy that led to it rather than suggesting the €36m could have been spent on special needs assistants.

RainyDay

Yer Aul One wrote: »

I think it needed pointing out how inane your comment was.

I'm sorry that I didn't meet your standards. The next time I need to point out the value of the library service in the context of a series of ill-informed posts about how libraries aren't used anymore, I will try to do better.

Tragedy

RainyDay wrote: »

Just one quick example of the kind of innovative service available at the Lexicon - you know, the building that many posters here tell us should be shut down and replaced by an iPad or two.

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/the-health-centre/autism-spectrum-how-to-catch-a-child-s-imagination-1.2174190

As others have said, what about the Lexicon specifically allows this 'innovative' service that any other facility couldn't?

RainyDay

Tragedy wrote: »

As others have said, what about the Lexicon specifically allows this 'innovative' service that any other facility couldn't?

Specifically, the availability of free space in a book-friendly environment in a central location in Dun Laoghaire, for a start.

Bits_n_Bobs

RainyDay wrote: »

Specifically, the availability of free space in a book-friendly environment in a central location in Dun Laoghaire, for a start.

Specifically a lack of any cost benefit analysis.

And claiming that the money had to be spent anyway because it was sourced form development levies is a shocking indictment of any due diligence surrounding this project.

pm1977x

Bits_n_Bobs wrote: »

Specifically a lack of any cost benefit analysis.

And claiming that the money had to be spent anyway because it was sourced form development levies is a shocking indictment of any due diligence surrounding this project.

Are you certain there was no cost benefit analysis?

Don't think anyone is claiming it "had to be spent anyway" rather that it had to be spent in a certain way, ie it couldn't be for extra hospital beds or teaching assistants etc... which is nothing at all to do with due diligence.

markpb

Larbre34 wrote: »

Time for a new NIMBY thread perhaps?

And away we go

Approximately 150 attended a public meeting in Dún Laoghaire organised to mount a “major campaign” against a proposed cruise berth in the harbour.
Dún Laoghaire Harbour Company is to seek planning permission to replace the former Stena Line berth with a facility to accommodate large cruise ships.
The meeting, which was organised by Save Our Seafront, a lobby group chaired by local People Before Profit TD Richard Boyd-Barrett, heard the group was appealing to Minister for Tourism Paschal Donohoe to intervene and direct the €18 million project be “shelved”.

Irish Times

Whoever it was that said Dun Laoghaire has the highest concentration of NIMBYs in Ireland was dead right.

zagmund

markpb wrote: »

And away we go

Irish Times

Whoever it was that said Dun Laoghaire has the highest concentration of NIMBYs in Ireland was dead right.

No, no, no, that's Dalkey. It's a suburb of DL. Different place entirely. I dare you walk along the main street in Dalkey and say "God, I'd love a Storbucks right now"

z

Larbre34

The Strategic infrastructure legislation knows no emotion.

If the EIS is generally moderate, itll pass.

CatFromHue

How often do these cruise ships come in?

I wouldn't have though they'd be that frequent, certainly not weekly anyway.

Larbre34

CatFromHue wrote: »

How often do these cruise ships come in?

I wouldn't have though they'd be that frequent, certainly not weekly anyway.

If it was this season, it would be 22. Thats 22 days between April and September from about 6am to 7pm. So perhaps a little less than one a week.

If they work the schedule to avoid the busy Thursday night sailing programme, disruption might be minimal.

I have to say, unlike the library, i dont accept the visual pollution argument on the size of the ships. Ive seen them up close in places like Dubrovnik and Fort Lauderdale and they are impressively huge, but they are only there for 12 hours at a time

Fratton Fred

I just don't see the benefit of cruise ships to the area. No one is going get off a cruise ship and nip in to Dun Laoghaire for a hair cut. I think this is just another one of the council's vanity project.

It did make my smile When I read about the senior councillor who had to go to Miami on a fact finding trip.

The Celtic Tiger's back guys, roll out the hookers and coke.

strandroad

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I just don't see the benefit of cruise ships to the area. No one is going get off a cruise ship and nip in to Dun Laoghaire for a hair cut. I think this is just another one of the council's vanity projects

People will come on day trips to DL over Howth or Bray to show these ships to kids... It should definitely increase interest.

Qualitymark

I kind of like the look of the building, like a giant aircraft carrier sailing out of harbour. But what I can't understand is why a building facing one of the most beautiful sea views in Dublin should have almost completely blank walls.
But then - unlike any seaside town in France - Dublin has virtually no restaurants or cafes looking out on the sea. We seem to have a bizarrely mediated attitude to our surrounding ocean.

Tabnabs

Date Vessel Details
12/05/15 Royal Princess 3600 passengers/1346 crew
20/05/15 Queen Mary 2 3000 passengers / 1328 crew
21/05/15 Splendida 3900 passengers / 1313 crew
24/05/15 Royal Princess 3600 passengers / 1346 crew
05/06/15 Royal Princess 3600 passengers / 1346 crew
14/06/15 Celebrity Silhouette 2886 passengers / 1525 crew
19/06/15 Island Sky 116 passengers / 66 crew
26/06/15 Star Legend 208 passengers / 164 crew
29/06/15 Royal Princess 3600 passengers / 1346 crew
29/06/15 Wind Surf 312 passengers / 312 crew
12/07/15 Star Legend 208 passengers / 164 crew
14/07/15 Brittania 3647 passengers / 1350 crew
17/07/15 Royal Princess 3600 passengers / 1346 crew
23/07/15 Royal Princess 3600 passengers / 1346 crew
23/07/15 Celebrity Silhouette 3145 passengers / 1525 crew
04/08/15 Royal Princess 3600 passengers / 1346 crew
15/08/15 Celebrity Silhouette 3145 passengers / 1525 crew
16/08/15 Royal Princess 3600 passengers / 1346 crew
28/08/15 Royal Princess 3600 passengers / 1346 crew
29/08/15 Splendida 3900 passengers / 1346 crew
18/09/15 Mein Schiff 4 2500 passengers / 1000 crew

http://dlharbour.ie/cruise-schedule/

As someone who has worked on passenger vessels, that's a lot of crew who will be interested in coming ashore and buying stuff in the likes of pennies, argos, etc. The local coffee shops and any "traditional" Irish Pubs will do a good trade if they can make themselves known. If that could be replicated year after year, DL could be transformed into a booming little town again. Opportunity is knocking.

zagmund

Err, the harbour was built specifically for this sort of thing. I really don't get the idea that we should put the ships somewhere else. This is where they go.

As for the numbers of vessels - there's a steady stream into Dublin port during the Summer. Why not get some of them into DL instead.

z

Yer Aul One

Tabnabs wrote: »

http://dlharbour.ie/cruise-schedule/

As someone who has worked on passenger vessels, that's a lot of crew who will be interested in coming ashore and buying stuff in the likes of pennies, argos, etc. The local coffee shops and any "traditional" Irish Pubs will do a good trade if they can make themselves known. If that could be replicated year after year, DL could be transformed into a booming little town again. Opportunity is knocking.

Totally agree, its nothing but a good thing

Tabnabs

For those who think of DL as a pretty harbour for little sailing yachts

Qualitymark

Ah, remembering the Boat Train, when the train used to run right up beside the boat and you'd walk off and up the gangway! And that lovely frilly white-painted iron-and-glass gazebo the train ran to…

the groutch

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I just don't see the benefit of cruise ships to the area. No one is going get off a cruise ship and nip in to Dun Laoghaire for a hair cut. I think this is just another one of the council's vanity project.

exactly, there's no point in a project like this as long as 1/3 of Dun Laoghaire is charity shops/ € shops/hairdressers, and another third is empty units.

far too much emphasis has been placed on the seafront, while the "main street" continues on the road to ruin.

RainyDay

Fratton Fred wrote: »

It did make my smile When I read about the senior councillor who had to go to Miami on a fact finding trip.

Just to clarify, it was a senior Council official, not a Councillor who travelled.

Tabnabs

RainyDay wrote: »

Just to clarify, it was a senior Council official, not a Councillor who travelled.

It's also worth pointing out that Miami is the cruise trade capital of the world. If you want to do business in the industry you need to get on a plane and head over there. All the major cruise companies have their head offices in Miami.

Fratton Fred

RainyDay wrote: »

Just to clarify, it was a senior Council official, not a Councillor who travelled.

My bad.

worthwhile trip, I'm sure. Much better than popping over to Southampton for the day.

Tabnabs

http://www.cruiseshippingevents.com/miami

Southampton? how very parochial...

Fratton Fred

Tabnabs wrote: »

http://www.cruiseshippingevents.com/miami

Southampton? how very parochial...

I would never, ever, recommend a visit to Southampton for parochial reasons.

They eat babies there.

Schadenfreudia

the groutch wrote: »

exactly, there's no point in a project like this as long as 1/3 of Dun Laoghaire is charity shops/ € shops/hairdressers, and another third is empty units.

far too much emphasis has been placed on the seafront, while the "main street" continues on the road to ruin.

The main street is now the seafront! Dl could happily do without Georges St; without the seafront and harbour it would be nothing.

markpb

the groutch wrote: »

exactly, there's no point in a project like this as long as 1/3 of Dun Laoghaire is charity shops/ € shops/hairdressers, and another third is empty units.

Perhaps the council are taking the view that they should provide the facilities which will encourage people into Dun Laoghaire to shop and then private businesses will do the rest. Why would it be the other way round?