season 5 what do expect? (for book readers)

Jofspring

I suppose you are only zombie like if that's the way you died. Catelyn had her throat slit and was left rot in the river before coming back hence why she came back so deformed or zombie like.

MrWalsh

Jofspring wrote: »

I suppose you are only zombie like if that's the way you died. Catelyn had her throat slit and was left rot in the river before coming back hence why she came back so deformed or zombie like.

Beric still has all his death injuries too doesnt he?

Mormegil

MrWalsh wrote: »

Does he need to be "brought back to life" though? Cant he warg into his direwolf and then warg back into a convenient body at a later point?

Thoros raising the dead brings them back zombie like (admittedly Beric didnt look too zombie-ish in the tv show).

The first time Beric was brought back he would have been almost like his original self. Each time he was brought back he lost a bit more of himself.

Cat was dead and in the river for three days when she was brought back which was wy she was in a worst state than Beric who was brought back relatively quickly each time.


My guess for Jon in the books is that he's killed, wargs into Ghost, his body is stored in the Ice caves under the wall (GRRM makes mention of them a few times) so it doesn't decay and then Mel brings him back some point later.

The fact he has warged into Ghost means he doesn't lose his mind/memories like Cat and Beric did and if the body is kept on Ice it won't be as decayed as theirs were.


In the show I can see them doing something similar but might just have Mel bring Jon back relatively quickly now she knows it's possible.

MrWalsh

Mormegil wrote: »

The fact he has warged into Ghost means he doesn't lose his mind/memories like Cat and Beric did and if the body is kept on Ice it won't be as decayed as theirs were.

Did Beric lose his mind/memories?

Yes, good theory on the ice caves.

What happens to Ghosts consciousness then? Does it come back when Jon wargs back out of him or does it die after a period of time of Jon being in control of the physical body?

I agree they could just use Melisandre to give him a quickie resurrection. Itd be the easiest for tv.

podgemonster

MrWalsh wrote: »

Did Beric lose his mind/memories?

I know. Every time I come back... I'm a bit less. Pieces of you get chipped away

The Lightning Lord
Season 3 Ep 5

Jofspring

Anybody know where this season will actually end? Is it 100% that it will go right up to the end of ADWD and into the next books?

Could Jon Snow getting stabbed be the season finale like the red wedding, meaning we will have to wait till next season to see what happens there? Danaerys heading off on Drogon also. They would need to make up a lot of new storyline for the wall if so or it will be very boring.

Next season then potentially bring in the iron born (Crows Eye, Victorian etc..), back to Brans story, and some more kings landing. Then tie it all together for a last season.

Sleepy

Mormegil wrote: »

My guess for Jon in the books is that he's killed, wargs into Ghost, his body is stored in the Ice caves under the wall (GRRM makes mention of them a few times) so it doesn't decay and then Mel brings him back some point later.

The fact he has warged into Ghost means he doesn't lose his mind/memories like Cat and Beric did and if the body is kept on Ice it won't be as decayed as theirs were.

In the show I can see them doing something similar but might just have Mel bring Jon back relatively quickly now she knows it's possible.

This is exactly what I'm expecting in the books. What other justification is there for the prelogue of ADWD if not to set the seeds for Jon warging into Ghost as he's being stabbed?

GerB40

Mormegil wrote: »

The first time Beric was brought back he would have been almost like his original self. Each time he was brought back he lost a bit more of himself.

Cat was dead and in the river for three days when she was brought back which was wy she was in a worst state than Beric who was brought back relatively quickly each time.


My guess for Jon in the books is that he's killed, wargs into Ghost, his body is stored in the Ice caves under the wall (GRRM makes mention of them a few times) so it doesn't decay and then Mel brings him back some point later.

The fact he has warged into Ghost means he doesn't lose his mind/memories like Cat and Beric did and if the body is kept on Ice it won't be as decayed as theirs were.


In the show I can see them doing something similar but might just have Mel bring Jon back relatively quickly now she knows it's possible.

If that does happen, the episode will start with "previously on Game of Thrones" and show Melisandre talking to the brotherhood from season 3 (particularly Beric). The Internet will explode with LADY STONEHEART, HOLY FÚCK LADY STONEHEART IS IN THE SHOW, THERE'S PROOF RIGHT THERE!!! OMG OMG. George Martin will sit back and watch peoples hopes and dreams dashed against a wall when she doesn't appear at all. The culminitive heartbreak of this will inspire George to finish the books and, in turn, break our hearts further. This is how he works, there are no coincidences...

Mormegil

Jofspring wrote: »

Anybody know where this season will actually end? Is it 100% that it will go right up to the end of ADWD and into the next books?

Could Jon Snow getting stabbed be the season finale like the red wedding, meaning we will have to wait till next season to see what happens there? Danaerys heading off on Drogon also. They would need to make up a lot of new storyline for the wall if so or it will be very boring.

Next season then potentially bring in the iron born (Crows Eye, Victorian etc..), back to Brans story, and some more kings landing. Then tie it all together for a last season.

From what's been filmed it's very likely Dany's storyline

will end with her flying off on Drogon (possibly meeting up with the Dothraki but more likely I think just leaving Meereen).

Jon dying could happen though his story has been changed somewhat by

having him lead the rescue attempt to Hardhome instead of Cotter Pyke. Some people claim his death takes place there.

Not sure if we will get any more Iron Born, if we do it will probably just be the Crow's Eye.

December2012

I have a feeling that the second last scene will be Jon getting stabbed by the Nights Watch.

And the last scene will be Lady Stoneheart taking revenge for the Red Wedding,

So viewers will be pretty dumbstruck by another main hero being killed off. And then the possibility of resurrection presents itself......

GerB40

December2012 wrote: »

I have a feeling that the second last scene will be Jon getting stabbed by the Nights Watch.

And the last scene will be Lady Stoneheart taking revenge for the Red Wedding,

So viewers will be pretty dumbstruck by another main hero being killed off. And then the possibility of resurrection presents itself......

That would be perfect...

MrWalsh

December2012 wrote: »

And then the possibility of resurrection presents itself......

The reality of resurrection has already been shown with Thoros and Beric.

December2012

MrWalsh wrote: »

The reality of resurrection has already been shown with Thoros and Beric.

Yes I know that. But I read and re read and post on fora and have some theories. I can't see there being any reason to go back to beric until the Lady Stonrheart reveal.

And Beric is gone now anyway

FunLover18

December2012 wrote:

And Beric is gone now anyway

Have they killed him off on the show?

MrWalsh

December2012 wrote: »

Yes I know that. But I read and re read and post on fora and have some theories. I can't see there being any reason to go back to beric until the Lady Stonrheart reveal.

And Beric is gone now anyway

I don't think we're getting Lady Stoneheart

Mormegil

Titles of Eps 1 - 3

Episode 501: “The Wars to Come”

Episode 502: “The House of Black and White”

Episode 503: “High Sparrow”

FunLover18

I wonder will we see Kevan Lannister this season

Mormegil

FunLover18 wrote: »

I wonder will we see Kevan Lannister this season

Some people are claiming he's in the show but there's been no actual confirmation (photo's of him on set, official word from HBO etc) as far as I'm aware.

Lenin Skynard

I actually was hoping that we don't get Lady Stoneheart,

but I've seen that they have cast that actress this season so I'm disappointed

. It always seemed a bit gimmicky to me with not much in the way of payoff.

MrWalsh

Lenin Skynard wrote: »

I actually was hoping that we don't get Lady Stoneheart,

but I've seen that they have cast that actress this season so I'm disappointed

. It always seemed a bit gimmicky to me with not much in the way of payoff.

Where did you see that? You know imdb can be edited by anyone, so it's meaningless if that's where you saw it.

Mormegil

Lenin Skynard wrote: »

I actually was hoping that we don't get Lady Stoneheart,

but I've seen that they have cast that actress this season so I'm disappointed

. It always seemed a bit gimmicky to me with not much in the way of payoff.

If you are going by the IMDB then that can be edited by anyone. There's been no official word that Lady Stoneheart has been cast.

Unless Stoneheart plays a major role in Books 6 or 7 then I doubt they will be bringing her into the show at this late date.

GerB40

Lenin Skynard wrote: »

I actually was hoping that we don't get Lady Stoneheart,

but I've seen that they have cast that actress this season so I'm disappointed

. It always seemed a bit gimmicky to me with not much in the way of payoff.

That turned out to be a hoax. IMDB can be edited by users and someone was just having a laugh..

December2012

FunLover18 wrote: »

Have they killed him off on the show?

No but if we see LSH she is only reincarnated because of his sacrifice of his life

Lenin Skynard

GerB40 wrote: »

That turned out to be a hoax. IMDB can be edited by users and someone was just having a laugh..

Glad to hear it.

Rosy Posy

At this stage with so many story lines diverging wildly from the books, I kind of hope that they just go nuts with it and get completely ruthless. It worked out reasonably well for Dexter (apart from the last season of which we shall not speak) where the first season followed the plot of the first book but then they went their separate ways.

From what I've read there's no Ironborn storyline this season, no Quentyn (those two are probably the least popular afaics) no Penny? Griff? Arienne? The Quiet Isle? I'd love them to include Septon Meribald and the Elder Brother but I don't see it happening given what they've done with Brienne and the Hound. Septon Meribald's speech on broken men is probably my favourite passage in the whole series. There seems to be a good bit in Dorne and Cersei and Arya and Jon and Tyrion have a fair way to go. I reckon the big climaxes are going to be Jon getting stabbed and Dany flying away with Drogon. That fighting pits scene should be good!

Mr Freeze

Mormegil wrote: »

Titles of Eps 1 - 3

Episode 501: “The Wars to Come”

Episode 502: “The House of Black and White”

Episode 503: “High Sparrow”

Ep 4 title.

The Sons of the Harpy

Sleepy

I saw an official cast list for the year somewhere and Michelle Fairley isn't listed so Stoneheart seems unlikely but the actor who played Jaqen H'ghar was listed so it seems like

a man will be back to welcome Arya to the house of Black and White.

Mr Freeze

^ Ya heard/read that too...

Probably not a bad change. Jaqen H'ghar was very likeable in the book and show, so more of him isn't a bad thing.

Mickeroo

Does that mean it was him all along in the books too? :pac:

It's possible he might just be in an Arya flashback or dream too though?

Mr Freeze

Mickeroo wrote: »

Does that mean it was him all along in the books too? :pac:

I don't think so, because there is a theory that he is Pates killer in AFFC.

You would think if they were to meet again then he'd have a different face anways.

I don't think the shows producers as are pedantic as us though, and they will probably cut most of AFFC anyways.

Mormegil

How true this is I don't know but supposedly the Kindly Man wears Jaqan's "original" face (at least for a while) but tells Arya that he isn't actually the same Faceless Man that she met before.

MrWalsh

Mormegil wrote: »

How true this is I don't know but supposedly the Kindly Man wears Jaqan's "original" face (at least for a while) but tells Arya that he isn't actually the same Faceless Man that she met before.

Id like this. And I think itd work for the tv show too.

Mind you, a couple of non book readers I know didnt even notice Jaqan's face change in the show until I replayed it for them on youtube!

FunLover18

Sleepy wrote: »

I saw an official cast list for the year somewhere and Michelle Fairley isn't listed so Stoneheart seems unlikely but the actor who played Jaqen H'ghar was listed so it seems like

a man will be back to welcome Arya to the house of Black and White.

Which one? The original or the face he switched to at the end?

Mr Freeze

FunLover18 wrote: »

Which one? The original or the face he switched to at the end?

The original I think.

FunLover18

Mr Freeze wrote: »

The original I think.

Hmmm, I hope it's a flashback. I suppose for the sake of non readers it makes sense thought.

In fairness with the amount of recasting that's been done already though the whole face changing thing is a bit lost in the translation to screen.

MrWalsh

FunLover18 wrote: »

In fairness with the amount of recasting that's been done already though the whole face changing thing is a bit lost in the translation to screen.

Yeah couldnt agree more - you cant expect a subtle face change to work when you then produce a guy with a different build, hair, face and accent to be Daario.

December2012

New trailer!

http://http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/03/game-of-thrones-trailer-hbo-now

MrWalsh

December2012 wrote: »

New trailer!

http://http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/03/game-of-thrones-trailer-hbo-now

The trailers drive me mad when the action is so fast I can't see what's going on!

Why is Brienne in a snowstorm?

Who is Jamie fighting?

Rosy Posy

MrWalsh wrote: »

Why is Brienne in a snowstorm?

Because winter is coming Given that it's snowing in Kings Landing by the end of Dance it could be almost anywhere in the Riverlands or further North.

MrWalsh wrote: »

Who is Jamie fighting?

Looks to be the same person or at least in similar garb to the previous shot of two Dornish fighting, also similar to Areo Hotah's get up, though I doubt it's him given the lack of axe. Oberyn had a similar jacket too so I'd bet that whoever it is they're attached to the Martells somehow.

Did that look like Sansa in Winterfell?? If so they're doing away with the fake Arya plot.

Sleepy

Sansa's in the Winterfell crypts... Jeyne Poole has never been cast... Sophie Turner mentioned an extremely shocking scene in the next season... are we going to see Sansa get the Ramsey treatment? :eek:

rawn

Sleepy wrote: »

Sansa's in the Winterfell crypts... Jeyne Poole has never been cast... Sophie Turner mentioned an extremely shocking scene in the next season... are we going to see Sansa get the Ramsey treatment? :eek:

They can't marry Sansa to Ramsey, she's married to Tyrion.

Sleepy

I was thinking more of Ramsey "playing" with her...

MrWalsh

Sleepy wrote: »

I was thinking more of Ramsey "playing" with her...

Could they use Sansa being tortured by Ramsay as a reason for Theon to go all gallant and save her? It would make more sense for the tv show as viewers know that Theon would know Sansa.

Jofspring

MrWalsh wrote: »

Could they use Sansa being tortured by Ramsay as a reason for Theon to go all gallant and save her? It would make more sense for the tv show as viewers know that Theon would know Sansa.

Makes a lot of sense. Would play into John Snow wanting to leave the wall too if he got word of Sansa in trouble.

Hans Bricks

Absolutely criminal that they would write off the Ironborn, Davos in White Harbor, The Griffs but still find the time to follow that big overgrown Man-woman and Podrick around the Riverlands.

I hope I'm proven wrong in my anticipation of this season.

CiaranW

I must read the books again, I have completely forgotten a lot of the story lines.

If they kill Bronn in the TV show I'd be annoyed.

Rosy Posy

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Absolutely criminal that they would write off the Ironborn, Davos in White Harbor, The Griffs but still find the time to follow that big overgrown Man-woman and Podrick around the Riverlands.

I hope I'm proven wrong in my anticipation of this season.

her name is Brienne

I've heard speculation that it was too much for them to put in two new locations in one season so they're focusing on Dorne this season and will do the Ironborn next season. Really hope that we get Manderlay, he's such an awesome character. Does anyone get the feeling the show is a bit sizest (is that even a word?)- Illerio was not fat at all and the guy cast as Yezzan is slim too...I did see that they cast Fat Walda though.

MrWalsh

Rosy Posy wrote: »

Does anyone get the feeling the show is a bit sizest (is that even a word?)- Illerio was not fat at all and the guy cast as Yezzan is slim too...I did see that they cast Fat Walda though.

Sean Bean wasnt at his slimmest in it either - or King Robert!

In fairness they seem to have a good representation of a variety of shapes, sizes, deformities and disabilities.

Youve women ranging from Brienne to Khaleesi to Fat Walda, men from Tyrion to The Mountain to Sam the Slayer, a blind man, a crippled boy, a little girl with a facial deformity, an amputee.......

GerB40

Rosy Posy wrote: »

her name is Brienne

I've heard speculation that it was too much for them to put in two new locations in one season so they're focusing on Dorne this season and will do the Ironborn next season. Really hope that we get Manderlay, he's such an awesome character. Does anyone get the feeling the show is a bit sizest (is that even a word?)- Illerio was not fat at all and the guy cast as Yezzan is slim too...I did see that they cast Fat Walda though.

Although Wyman Manderley has some excellent parts in the books, especially dealing with the Freys, is he really irreplaceable? Personally it would really piss me off if he was removed or replaced but on a practical level I could understand it if they did. "The north remembers Ser Davos, and the mummers farce is almost over", "Frey Pie", "The Riot in Winterfell", all these events could easily be played out by a familiar face that tv show fans recognise, therefore removing the need to introduce a new face to an already overcrowded cast. Really, only book readers would be annoyed by this and I'd imagine most would understand why.

Having said that, I'd love to see the big lad on screen. I have a mental picture of him that I need to have clarified visually...

Rosy Posy

GerB40 wrote: »

Although Wyman Manderley has some excellent parts in the books, especially dealing with the Freys, is he really irreplaceable? Personally it would really piss me off if he was removed or replaced but on a practical level I could understand it if they did. "The north remembers Ser Davos, and the mummers farce is almost over", "Frey Pie", "The Riot in Winterfell", all these events could easily be played out by a familiar face that tv show fans recognise, therefore removing the need to introduce a new face to an already overcrowded cast. Really, only book readers would be annoyed by this and I'd imagine most would understand why.

Having said that, I'd love to see the big lad on screen. I have a mental picture of him that I need to have clarified visually...

The thing that I like the most about him is the way that he's so clever but that people constantly undermine him. I've a feeling that he's going to kick some ass in the Winds of Winter. Also, Frey Pies!