SVP calls for increased social welfare payments

demanufactured

yawhat! wrote: »

I think it should be decreased to encourage people to start working again! Taking my tax dollars and getting a free house :mad::mad::mad:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0624/626172-st-vincent-de-paul/

I own my own house and was out of work for nearly 5 years , didn't want to be on Social welfare.
You have some neck.

yawhat!

demanufactured wrote: »

I own my own house and was out of work for nearly years , didn't want to be on Social welfare.
You have some neck.

I'll edit my first post. I meant for people who don't want to work!

Jonny Blaze

bogmanfan wrote: »

Was only discussing the dole with my brother-in-law at the weekend. He's currently out of work, having returned home from working abroad. In his opinion, and for his circumstances (single, no dependents) he thinks the dole is far too high in this country. In his words, you shouldn't be able to save while receiving social welfare. Likewise it shouldn't be enough to facilitate a Sky Sports subscription or a 20-a-day smoking habit.
It's a crazy situation we are in, where some people are better off being unemployed than working. A recent story in the Indo broke down the figures, and when medical card, rent allowance etc are taken into account, there is absolutely no financial benefit for some in getting a low-paid job.
I would think that a raising of the minimum wage as well as the income tax band, combined with a reduction in social welfare would help to change this.

Dunno about your brother but for me it goes like this.

€188 * 52 = €9776

Rent @ €550 p/m = €6600

Bills @ approx €100 p/m = €1200

= €1976

I am, unfortunately, a smoker since I was 12 so that's:

3 * €5.50 p/w = €16.50 * 52 = €858

= €1118

Divided by 52:

= €21.5 per week for all food, clothing, medical / dental expenses, travel and everything else.

Dunno how he's managing to save but i'd love to know..

Im just glad I have no financial commitments tbh.

Richard Hillman

yawhat! wrote: »

How much do people on rent allowance pay out of their own pocket from their free money. 100 a month from their dole?

How much are people paying in Dublin who work and have kids? 1200 or more a month from their own pocket.

Sickens me.

And you have to be an absolute anti-christ or not pay rent for about a year to ever lose their council house.

corner of hells

yawhat! wrote: »

Yes the real world. You say you pay rent for a council house . How much rent is on a council house that you have pay from the dole? Its free money so your not paying anything! Probably 100 a month when others are paying 1300 a month with kids in dublin who actually pay their own way!

You do realise that its practically impossible to get a council house , the rent is assessed on what you can pay and we actually now have 90000 people on local authority housing lists which brings us all the way around to rent allowance and rising rents forcing people towards homelessness ......the real world eh ?

yawhat!

corner of hells wrote: »

You do realise that its practically impossible to get a council house , the rent is assessed on what you can pay and we actually now have 90000 people on local authority housing lists which brings us all the way around to rent allowance and rising rents forcing people towards homelessness ......the real world eh ?

Yea, outside of Dublin its quite easy to get one!

shruikan2553

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

Dunno about your brother but for me it goes like this.

€188 * 52 = €9776

Rent @ €550 p/m = €6600

Bills @ approx €100 p/m = €1200

= €1976

I am, unfortunately, a smoker since I was 12 so that's:

3 * €5.50 p/w = €16.50 * 52 = €858

= €1118

Divided by 52:

= €21.5 per week for all food, clothing, medical / dental expenses, travel and everything else.

Dunno how he's managing to save but i'd love to know..

Im just glad I have no financial commitments tbh.

Maybe he doesnt smoke?
Also your rent is a bit high, so are your bills depending on whats included.

188 a week is plenty for any single person.

Pawwed Rig

bogmanfan wrote: »

Was only discussing the dole with my brother-in-law at the weekend. He's currently out of work, having returned home from working abroad. In his opinion, and for his circumstances (single, no dependents) he thinks the dole is far too high in this country. In his words, you shouldn't be able to save while receiving social welfare. Likewise it shouldn't be enough to facilitate a Sky Sports subscription or a 20-a-day smoking habit.

Dole is €188 per week less 20 a day habit (€9.50x7) = €121.50 less Sky Sports sub €12 per week = €109.50. Fair pay to your brother in law to sort out rent and other bills for €109 per week.
The minimum you could spend to feed yoursef for a week woud be €30 so presumably he has managed an all in rental deal for €300 per month? Nice

mickydoomsux

yawhat! wrote: »

Yea, outside of Dublin its quite easy to get one!

Most of them will turn down houses that aren't in places that they don't want to live.

I guess beggars can be choosers in our society.

chasm

yawhat! wrote: »

Yea, outside of Dublin its quite easy to get one!

Really? I know someone who was 17 years on the list!

yawhat! wrote: »

Yes the real world. You say you pay rent for a council house . How much rent is on a council house that you have pay from the dole? Its free money so your not paying anything! Probably 100 a month when others are paying 1300 a month with kids in dublin who actually pay their own way!

Do those parents get the social welfare payment every month for their kids? Funny how some free money is perfectly acceptable to some.

Jonny Blaze

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Maybe he doesnt smoke?
Also your rent is a bit high, so are your bills depending on whats included.

188 a week is plenty for any single person.

If I didn't smoke I would probably eat more.

The last three days I have eaten toast for breakfast and soup and a sandwich for dinner (no lunch) and that's typical.

My rent is high for sure, but so is basically everywhere in Dublin.

The bills include power and internet, which before anyone starts in is a complete necessity for job hunting.

As someone who has spent five hours even just today walking around Dublin trying to hand in cv's to people who aren't hiring, about 80% of the big employers don't take hard copies anymore and cv's must be submitted online.

That's tescoes, boots, arnotts, clery's, supervalu, starbucks, costa, insomnia, dunnes, marks and spencer, hmv, smyths and more I can't even remember.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

yawhat! wrote: »

Yea, outside of Dublin its quite easy to get one!

It is well I must tell the people up here I know that are having to rent privately due to lack of social housing.

I really wonder where you are getting your information

corner of hells

yawhat! wrote: »

Yea, outside of Dublin its quite easy to get one!

You are joking , housing provision is at a crisis point now nationwide and you suggest its quite easy to get a house.Some counties are reporting up to 50 and 60 percent increase in waiting lists. Runcommon has reported a105 percent increase.

I work directly in front line homeless services and we,re now.seeing people presenting as homeless in their 40 and 50s looking for support with no chance of getting housing.

Jonny Blaze

chasm wrote: »

Really? I know someone who was 17 years on the list!



Do those parents get the social welfare payment every month for their kids? Funny how some free money is perfectly acceptable to some.

F**kin scroungers so they are!

darkpagandeath

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

It is well I must tell the people up here I know that are having to rent privately due to lack of social housing.

I really wonder where you are getting your information

The friend of a friend who's brother is on the dole taking 12 holidays a year has a free house, All bills covered by SW they even bought him a car to travel to and from the dole office. Well that's were I assume the information come's from. 100% fact based and all

Hootanany

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

If I didn't smoke I would probably eat more.

The last three days I have eaten toast for breakfast and soup and a sandwich for dinner (no lunch) and that's typical.

My rent is high for sure, but so is basically everywhere in Dublin.

The bills include power and internet, which before anyone starts in is a complete necessity for job hunting.

As someone who has spent five hours even just today walking around Dublin trying to hand in cv's to people who aren't hiring, about 80% of the big employers don't take hard copies anymore and cv's must be submitted online.

That's tescoes, boots, arnotts, clery's, supervalu, starbucks, costa, insomnia, dunnes, marks and spencer, hmv, smyths and more I can't even remember.

I saw a load of Coffee shops looking for people if your interested in around Abbey St Liffey St give it a go.

Jonny Blaze

Hootanany wrote: »

I saw a load of Coffee shops looking for people if your interested in around Abbey St Liffey St give it a go.

I was up there today and didn't see anything? Where exactly?

darkpagandeath

Hootanany wrote: »

I saw a load of Coffee shops looking for people if your interested in around Abbey St Liffey St give it a go.

Is that not a provision of Jobbridge company has to have work available for you to take on an intern. No possible scam there.

Hootanany

Ill be back up tomorrow and get the name same up around Exchequer St
Was killing time before a meeting so went on a ramble.

Jonny Blaze

Hootanany wrote: »

Ill be back up tomorrow and get the name same up around Exchequer St
Was killing time before a meeting so went on a ramble.

Cheers, i'd appreciate it!

Ave Sodalis

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Most of them will turn down houses that aren't in places that they don't want to live.

I guess beggars can be choosers in our society.

Most of them... if you say so...

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Anyone can get sick.

The problem is that people who are above the modest cut of point/aren't "disabled" are paying for the doctor for both themselves and for their next door neighbor who has a medical card.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. We should cut all medical cards so that neighbours don't have to pay for anyone. In fact, while we're at it, we may just get rid of hospitals. We may even start taking way from the education sector. It's about as important as health in society.

Jonny Blaze

darkpagandeath wrote: »

The friend of a friend who's brother is on the dole taking 12 holidays a year has a free house, All bills covered by SW they even bought him a car to travel to and from the dole office. Well that's were I assume the information come's from. 100% fact based and all

What to bray or something?

dj jarvis

eviltwin wrote: »

You do realise not everyone on SW gets a free house don't you?

more people on SW get "free" houses than people that work , so maybe they should be asking for more jobs to be funded , not more handouts,

then less "free" hosing would be needed.

I suggest to stop this welfare trap , a good start would be education , compulsory until you reach a certain grade ( unless you have a reason not able to )

Most people with education that i know , work , and live stable productive lives,
most of the anti social numb nuts in my estate left school at 15 , have no education , wastes of skin IMO ,will NEVER work and when they knock their cousin(s) up , they will get the house.

great system

EDUCATION - NOT HAND OUTS

Jonny Blaze

dj jarvis wrote: »

more people on SW get "free" houses than people that work , so maybe they should be asking for more jobs to be funded , not more handouts,

then less "free" hosing would be needed.

I suggest to stop this welfare trap , a good start would be education , compulsory until you reach a certain grade ( unless you have a reason not able to )

Most people with education that i know , work , and live stable productive lives,
most of the anti social numb nuts in my estate left school at 15 , have no education , wastes of skin IMO ,will NEVER work and when they knock their cousin(s) up , they will get the house.

great system

EDUCATION - NOT HAND OUTS

I dunno, i've a degree in computer science and a fetac lvl 6 in web design and i can't find work.

What chance do they have?

dxhound2005

darkpagandeath wrote: »

The friend of a friend who's brother is on the dole taking 12 holidays a year has a free house, All bills covered by SW they even bought him a car to travel to and from the dole office. Well that's were I assume the information come's from. 100% fact based and all

Is this him?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0721/304028-murrayp/

dj jarvis

corner of hells wrote: »

They are not given out like candlefloss, you must apply producing a primary medical cert and cost 35 euros and not every disabled person qualifies for one.I'd also like to know how you know from looking at a car with a disabled pass that the owner of the pass is unscrupulous.

when they park in the disabled space at tescos , and spring from the car and walk to the shop - they can only park when either they are disabled , or their passenger is disabled is with them

not as a park where the funk you want badge

dont even start to say there not people taking the piss with the badges - i see it all the time

please dont derail this thread with this sh1te - start another thread please

dj jarvis

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

I dunno, i've a degree in computer science and a fetac lvl 6 in web design and i can't find work.

What chance do they have?

much more of a chance if they have finished at least a basic education, you should not be allowed leave education until you have enough of a level to have a SPORTING chance of a decent job and a living

you have much more of a chance than them - keep looking and good luck !!
at least you bothered to stay in school and go to 3rd level , most of the people im talking about finished by 15

Ave Sodalis

dj jarvis wrote: »

dont even start to say there not people taking the piss with the badges - i see it all the time

dj jarvis wrote: »

most of the anti social numb nuts in my estate left school at 15 , have no education , wastes of skin IMO ,will NEVER work and when they knock their cousin(s) up , they will get the house.

I think you just live in a bad area...

Ave Sodalis

dj jarvis wrote: »

much more of a chance if they have finished at least a basic education, you should not be allowed leave education until you have enough of a level to have a SPORTING chance of a decent job and a living

Which will soon be Master/PHD level, which many people can't afford.

corner of hells

dj jarvis wrote: »

when they park in the disabled space at tescos , and spring from the car and walk to the shop - they can only park when either they are disabled , or their passenger is disabled is with them

not as a park where the funk you want badge

dont even start to say there not people taking the piss with the badges - i see it all the time

please dont derail this thread with this sh1te - start another thread please

You see. "it all the time " ? We could start a thread about your generalizing ****e so.

dj jarvis

sup_dude wrote: »

Which will soon be Master/PHD level, which many people can't afford.

you can get free education all the way to masters level , from intercert up ,
once you qualify - and as far as i can see , coming from a poor back ground living in a poor area does not hinder this process

its monkey see , monkey do - their parents and grandparents did the same , left school at 15 and go low level , menial job , but you cant do that anymore

you need an education , and TBH , the SW should consider cutting of payments if you leave schooling before a certain level , without a medical reason

why should the rest of us pay to keep little mick at home playing Playstation , smoking dope , becsuae he does not want to go to school becasue its to much effort - funk that !!!

Ave Sodalis

dj jarvis wrote: »

you can get free education all the way to masters level , from intercert up ,

No you can't. It's up to your first degree. Postgrads, Masters and any further degrees aren't paid for.

dj jarvis

corner of hells wrote: »

You see. "it all the time " ? We could start a thread about your generalizing ****e so.

oh , sorry , i go shopping and driving with my eyes closed , also , every time i see a parking space , i turn so i dont see some ****e bag pretending to be disabled.

only a gimp took from what i posted that i was saying EVERYONE who uses the spaces is bluffing - FFS

SOME DO :rolleyes:

Now what has this go to do with the SVDP looking for more SW payments?

dj jarvis

sup_dude wrote: »

No you can't. It's up to your first degree. Postgrads, Masters and any further degrees aren't paid for.

LOL - sorry , you ONLY get it up to first degree ????
do you proof read what you type ?

my god - laughable - so they can get a decent education but chose not to , is that the conclusion we are at !!!

and , you can go further from a BA with help from education charity's and sponsor ship.

kick in the arse most of these clowns need.

dj jarvis

sup_dude wrote: »

I think you just live in a bad area...

no , i live in AN area , that is the problem , but im sure there are no early school leavers in your area

Ave Sodalis

dj jarvis wrote: »

LOL - sorry , you ONLY get it up to first degree ????
do you proof read what you type ?

my god - laughable - so they can get a decent education but chose not to , is that the conclusion we are at !!!

and , you can go further from a BA with help from education charity's and sponsor ship.

kick in the arse most of these clowns need.

If you read what had been typed so far, you will notice that you were talking about getting enough of an education to get a job. I said that that will be Masters/PHD level, which not everyone can afford. An ordinary or even honours degree doesn't really guarentee you a job by any shot.

Ave Sodalis

dj jarvis wrote: »

no , i live in AN area , that is the problem , but im sure there are no early school leavers in your area

Not none, but very few. Nor do people not disabled park in a disabled spot.

mickydoomsux

sup_dude wrote: »

I think you just live in a bad area...

Our current social policies will ensure that we all live in bad areas soon.

The rot is spreading and we are going to reach a tipping point in a few years if something drastic isn't done about our hand-out culture.

People complain about bank-debt, public sector wages, expenses etc. and have little or no problem with proportionately ridiculous "disabled" figures, €23bn a year welfare spending that is constantly creeping up and nearly 1 million people entitled to free All-Island public transport.

Ave Sodalis

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Our current social policies will ensure that we all live in bad areas soon.

The rot is spreading and we are going to reach a tipping point in a few years if something drastic isn't done about our hand-out culture.

People complain about bank-debt, public sector wages, expenses etc. and have little or no problem with proportionately ridiculous "disabled" figures, €23bn a year welfare spending that is constantly creeping up and nearly 1 million people entitled to free All-Island public transport.

"this rot"...
Jez, this post makes me sad. Disabled and unemployed are now rot. Wow.

dj jarvis

sup_dude wrote: »

If you read what had been typed so far, you will notice that you were talking about getting enough of an education to get a job. I said that that will be Masters/PHD level, which not everyone can afford. An ordinary or even honours degree doesn't really guarentee you a job by any shot.

you have much more of chance getting a poxy job if you have a degree, other than leaving school at 15 - FFS !!!

you cant argue that if people were better educated that the country would not be a better place for it ?

people dont have to get a masters to get a job , BUT if they bother to stay in education , get a job and are seen to be productive employees , then maybe an employer could sponsor the masters

siting on a wall throwing insults at passers by , sucking on a fag aged 15 , with no education is some leap to a BASIC degree.

there are NO guarantees about getting a job , no matter what education you have , but , if you had a choice between someone who left school at 15 and has no history of trying to better themselves , or a lad who stayed in school , and then 3rd level , who would you chose ?

i rest my case - educate the masses

corner of hells

dj jarvis wrote: »

oh , sorry , i go shopping and driving with my eyes closed , also , every time i see a parking space , i turn so i dont see some ****e bag pretending to be disabled.

only a gimp took from what i posted that i was saying EVERYONE who uses the spaces is bluffing - FFS

SOME DO :rolleyes:

Now what has this go to do with the SVDP looking for more SW payments?

Lets try and avoid suggesting people are gimps.
If you have look at previous posts you'll see I didn't bring up the issue of disabled parking permits.

dj jarvis

corner of hells wrote: »

Lets try and avoid suggesting people are bumps.
If you have look at previous posts you'll see I didn't bring up the issue of disabled parking permits.

no , i never said you did , but you jumped on the poster who did - and i replied to that , so whats your point again ?

care to join in on the debate about SW payments

Ave Sodalis

dj jarvis wrote: »

you have much more of chance getting a poxy job if you have a degree, other than leaving school at 15 - FFS !!!

you cant argue that if people were better educated that the country would not be a better place for it ?

people dont have to get a masters to get a job , BUT if they bother to stay in education , get a job and are seen to be productive employees , then maybe an employer could sponsor the masters

siting on a wall throwing insults at passers by , sucking on a fag aged 15 , with no education is some leap to a BASIC degree.

there are NO guarantees about getting a job , no matter what education you have , but , if you had a choice between someone who left school at 15 and has no history of trying to better themselves , or a lad who stayed in school , and then 3rd level , who would you chose ?

i rest my case - educate the masses

Yes, but despite what you seem to think, this fag sucking, insult throwing 15 year old drop out is a huge minority.
I agree, education is one of, if not the most important things. However, I think your approach and your reasoning isn't right.

dj jarvis

sup_dude wrote: »

"this rot"...
Jez, this post makes me sad. Disabled and unemployed are now rot. Wow.

you dont understand the post - so i would suggest not getting so sad

have some milky tea with some sugar , and have an oul sit down for your good self

A Primal Nut

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Maybe you should drop into Dublin Airport and tell those emigrating, that they don't need to leave at all. Since the country is apparently awash with job opportunities. And while you're at it, maybe you should actually point out where they can find this abundance of employment.

Most people emigrating are going to Australia, Canada etc for the craic and the experience, not because they can't get work here.

There are far more people immigrating into Ireland than emigrating. These people wouldn't be coming here if there were no jobs. They are taking jobs that Irish people on the dole either won't take or aren't qualified to take.

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Immigration%20in%20Ireland%20%E2%80%93%202013%20in%20Review
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/1000-irish-people-emigrate-a-week-241476.html

Jonny Blaze

sup_dude wrote: »

Yes, but despite what you seem to think, this fag sucking, insult throwing 15 year old drop out is a huge minority.
I agree, education is one of, if not the most important things. However, I think your approach and your reasoning isn't right.

I would have to agree.

Education is no magic bullet.

And you fail to recognise the complex social and cultural influences on the situation.

dj jarvis

sup_dude wrote: »

Yes, but despite what you seem to think, this fag sucking, insult throwing 15 year old drop out is a huge minority.
I agree, education is one of, if not the most important things. However, I think your approach and your reasoning isn't right.

I never said they were the majority - that "fact" is from your head mate
i said it should be compulsory , ya know , for ALL
its just a sad fact , most early school leavers will come from a certain sociological disadvantaged area - not may drop outs in foxrock compared to finglas ( not picking on finglas ) - why is that do you think

as i said , you are not getting the conversation at all
best just head for an early shower

Ave Sodalis

dj jarvis wrote: »

you dont understand the post - so i would suggest not getting so sad

have some milky tea with some sugar , and have an oul sit down for your good self

I must have missed it completely then so because I don't see how, in a recession, people in receipt of unemployment and other payment are "rot", or the idea that we help provide for those who can't, in a recession, is rot.
Must be lovely having a nice stable job, able to pay all your bills and have a roof over your head, able to look down on those who can because of a tiny tiny percentage of the population abuse it. Have I got that wrong too? That's what a lot of the posts on here sound like, especially the OP

corner of hells

dj jarvis wrote: »

no , i never said you did , but you jumped on the poster who did - and i replied to that , so whats your point again ?

care to join in on the debate about SW payments

I have , I commented on the OP suggesting that people on welfare get free housing .

dj jarvis

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

I would have to agree.

Education is no magic bullet.

And you fail to recognise the complex social and cultural influences on the situation.

i never said it was , it was one suggestion , and TBH , madness that it is not looked at

people are putting 1 and 1 together and getting some mad answer

lack of education = bad
more education = good

not a magic bullet by any means - but FFS , it where you start
why does this even have to be pointed out